It’s ridiculous that the insanity defence law was changed because people were angry at the court’s verdict. Either you have a fair law or you don’t.
Adam Bartlett
1 year ago
Interesting. Ironically enough, I’d exspect that if Hinkley had been exposed to modern Incel forums, he’d probabably not have commited the shooting. As he might have been cured of his “blue pill” delusion there is someone for everyone, and saw his plan to gain Foster’s affection would be unlikely to succeed. (I believe no poster on the main incel forum has ever commited a shooting or other major act of violence.)
I just listened to one Hinckley’s songs on Youtube and he seems quite childlike and sweet. It’s a credit to the US that he’s turned out like that after being through psychosis and then apparently decades of depression. The US justice system clearly sometimes more compassionate than it’s sometimes pictured.
Thank for the info about Hinckley. I don’t believe that’s true about ER. He may have made many misogynistic online posts, but I understand these were mostly to body building sites, and an anti ‘pickup artist’ forum. While many incels are anti pickup artist – feminists & even old school chivalous chads can be too. (Pickup artists have some reprehensible ideas, like ‘negging’ where they deliberatly try to break down a woman’s confidence.)
Patience Easy
1 year ago
Wouldn’t Hinkley be considered as a terrorist for trying to kill the American president, an overtly political act?
Good point. Here is a quote from an article in the Guardian from 2003 about how the law was changed: “1982…That was the year John Hinckley – a 26-year-old Beatles fan from a well-to-do Dallas family – was sensationally found not guilty by reason of insanity of the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, even though his gun, loaded with Devastator bullets for maximum impact, came within inches of ending the President’s life. The verdict caused a furore. Although Hinckley’s lawyers persuaded a jury he had been psychotic at the time of the shooting – believing, in his delusion, that by killing Reagan he would win the admiration of actress Jodie Foster – the majority of Americans thought otherwise and within months Congress had rewritten US insanity laws so as to ensure that future Hinckleys could never escape imprisonment again.”
Jim Quirk
1 year ago
When teens drop out of school, wouldn’t it be worthwhile for the education department maintain some form of a relationship with the student and family and perhaps keep them from feeling isolated from society? Would that have made a difference in Uvalde?
Last edited 1 year ago by Jim Quirk
D Goo
1 year ago
There is no such thing as an incel. There are men too frightened of rejection to try. They blame the women they want for it. The use of the term abuses women. As for the first? Uh… I think you’d need to go back a few thousand years.
It’s ridiculous that the insanity defence law was changed because people were angry at the court’s verdict. Either you have a fair law or you don’t.
Interesting. Ironically enough, I’d exspect that if Hinkley had been exposed to modern Incel forums, he’d probabably not have commited the shooting. As he might have been cured of his “blue pill” delusion there is someone for everyone, and saw his plan to gain Foster’s affection would be unlikely to succeed. (I believe no poster on the main incel forum has ever commited a shooting or other major act of violence.)
I just listened to one Hinckley’s songs on Youtube and he seems quite childlike and sweet. It’s a credit to the US that he’s turned out like that after being through psychosis and then apparently decades of depression. The US justice system clearly sometimes more compassionate than it’s sometimes pictured.
Sometimes? Perhaps seldom would be more accurate?
Elliott Roger was extremely active on incel forums. To this day there are incel forums praising him.
Also, Hinckley’s family was wealthy, that will get you better treatment in mental hospitals here in the US. It’s more complicated than it seems.
Thank for the info about Hinckley. I don’t believe that’s true about ER. He may have made many misogynistic online posts, but I understand these were mostly to body building sites, and an anti ‘pickup artist’ forum. While many incels are anti pickup artist – feminists & even old school chivalous chads can be too. (Pickup artists have some reprehensible ideas, like ‘negging’ where they deliberatly try to break down a woman’s confidence.)
Wouldn’t Hinkley be considered as a terrorist for trying to kill the American president, an overtly political act?
Good point. Here is a quote from an article in the Guardian from 2003 about how the law was changed: “1982…That was the year John Hinckley – a 26-year-old Beatles fan from a well-to-do Dallas family – was sensationally found not guilty by reason of insanity of the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, even though his gun, loaded with Devastator bullets for maximum impact, came within inches of ending the President’s life. The verdict caused a furore. Although Hinckley’s lawyers persuaded a jury he had been psychotic at the time of the shooting – believing, in his delusion, that by killing Reagan he would win the admiration of actress Jodie Foster – the majority of Americans thought otherwise and within months Congress had rewritten US insanity laws so as to ensure that future Hinckleys could never escape imprisonment again.”
When teens drop out of school, wouldn’t it be worthwhile for the education department maintain some form of a relationship with the student and family and perhaps keep them from feeling isolated from society? Would that have made a difference in Uvalde?
There is no such thing as an incel. There are men too frightened of rejection to try. They blame the women they want for it. The use of the term abuses women. As for the first? Uh… I think you’d need to go back a few thousand years.