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martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago

Looks like the Age of the Sledgehammer is about to descend on Russia.
These aren’t the innocent Zeks released in 1953, even if many had been brutalized in the Gulag.
Besides Vagner itself, Putin’s minions have encouraged every Russian soldier to rape, torture and steal. Now it’s “normal,” and it’s going to be very hard to break their habits–especially when the people they return to look, act and speak pretty much like many Ukrainians.
And when Putin goes (as go he must, after a year of total failure), there will be absolutely nothing standing in the way of total anarchy.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

”Besides Vagner itself, Putin’s minions have encouraged every Russian soldier to rape, torture and steal. Now it’s “normal,””

!

I recommend you watch some youtube from a leading expert Colonel MacGregor, and also Scott Ritter. You are saying crazy stuff – please give links to this being normal. Proper links. And by the way, you can find links – much buried by the search engines algorithm – of horrific things the Ukrainians are doing.

Zalenski has basically taken over all the nation, is conscripting with press gangs to the front – where the life in battle is 4 hours for the Ukrainian forced conscripts with massed Russian artillery.

Zalenski has outlawed the Church, outlawed other political parties, allowed the Na*i militias so famous in Ukraine to have free reign equal to Wagner…

It is EVIL DIRTY WAR! There is a simple answer – Peace. Biden forbids it, as does Boris – but only those, from day one, are the reason this was not ended with a peace treaty – – and so the destruction, death, economic disaster be avoided.

This is Biden and Boris’s war.

and it is going to economically wreck Europe. If you have a pension coming, it may not happen as you plan – the economy is wrecked in Europe and UK – the world really – and this was the huge Nail in the coffin. This was never about freedom – this is about destruction of the world economy. The Ukrainians are the chess board, and will be 100% destroyed by this game played on their lands, with their lives.

Arthur G
Arthur G
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Nothing you’re saying is true.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago
Reply to  Arthur G

You can have any opinion you want, but the facts are Zelenski has outlawed some political parties, some churches and nationalized television. This is not in dispute.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

He’s heavily restricted the Russian Orthodox Church due to its links with the Kremlin, which in a time of war I think is rather sensible. If America was at war with China do you think institutions linked to the CCP would be allowed to operate freely in the country?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

This is a slippery slope of course, and led to the internment of Japanese during WWII.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

The Japanese interned by the Americans weren’t actively passing information back to the enemy though as far as I’m aware, which is the big difference here

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Let us know when Zelensky starts doing that.
Not before.

Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

The Japanese interned by the Americans weren’t actively passing information back to the enemy though as far as I’m aware, which is the big difference here

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Let us know when Zelensky starts doing that.
Not before.

Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

This is a slippery slope of course, and led to the internment of Japanese during WWII.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

He’s heavily restricted the Russian Orthodox Church due to its links with the Kremlin, which in a time of war I think is rather sensible. If America was at war with China do you think institutions linked to the CCP would be allowed to operate freely in the country?

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  Arthur G

Its all true

And the Russians are winning

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

They took Kyiv months ago !!
The MSM is hushing it all up!

Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

They took Kyiv months ago !!
The MSM is hushing it all up!

Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago
Reply to  Arthur G

You can have any opinion you want, but the facts are Zelenski has outlawed some political parties, some churches and nationalized television. This is not in dispute.

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  Arthur G

Its all true

And the Russians are winning

Steve Farrell
Steve Farrell
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

MacGregor + Ritter? Let me guess, is Bakhmut “ABOUT TO FALL!!!!!” ? Maybe the “RUSSIANS MADE MASSIVE GAINS!!!!” ?

They’re a pair of embittered weirdos & Ritter at least is a rabbit in the headlights, sweating bullets until the kompromat drops.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Farrell

Didn’t you know?
Bakhmut fell MONTHS ago!
The MSM is hushing it all up!
What is–AIN’T!
And what ain’t–IS!
Only MacGregor and Ritter know the Truth…

Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Farrell

Didn’t you know?
Bakhmut fell MONTHS ago!
The MSM is hushing it all up!
What is–AIN’T!
And what ain’t–IS!
Only MacGregor and Ritter know the Truth…

Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Ritter was too busy exposing himself to underage girls to have time to seriously analyse the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Ralph Wade
Ralph Wade
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Scott Ritter? I recall when Biden schooled him on foreign policy decisions about 25 years ago. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4842887/user-clip-1998-biden-chastises-weapons-inspector-ritter

Alan Hawkes
Alan Hawkes
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Peace can immediately come with a Russian withdrawal from Ukrainian territory.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Sorry, hard to follow the Kremlin logic on this.
First Zelensky was just a comedian-tool of the West, and would give in as soon as Putin reached Kyiv.
And now this Jewish president is Adolf Hitler?!?
Why not save your breath and just call him Satan?
Most Russian talk show hosts already do.

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

You’re as mad as a frog in a sock.

Arthur G
Arthur G
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Nothing you’re saying is true.

Steve Farrell
Steve Farrell
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

MacGregor + Ritter? Let me guess, is Bakhmut “ABOUT TO FALL!!!!!” ? Maybe the “RUSSIANS MADE MASSIVE GAINS!!!!” ?

They’re a pair of embittered weirdos & Ritter at least is a rabbit in the headlights, sweating bullets until the kompromat drops.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Ritter was too busy exposing himself to underage girls to have time to seriously analyse the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Ralph Wade
Ralph Wade
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Scott Ritter? I recall when Biden schooled him on foreign policy decisions about 25 years ago. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4842887/user-clip-1998-biden-chastises-weapons-inspector-ritter

Alan Hawkes
Alan Hawkes
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Peace can immediately come with a Russian withdrawal from Ukrainian territory.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Sorry, hard to follow the Kremlin logic on this.
First Zelensky was just a comedian-tool of the West, and would give in as soon as Putin reached Kyiv.
And now this Jewish president is Adolf Hitler?!?
Why not save your breath and just call him Satan?
Most Russian talk show hosts already do.

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

You’re as mad as a frog in a sock.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Go back to the Spectator boards.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago

Always good to get an evidence-based perspective.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Seriously ML. Get a subscription and go and join your friends there. You can get 15 upvotes for a really good anti-Putin/Russia post without any foundation in reality.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Seriously ML. Get a subscription and go and join your friends there. You can get 15 upvotes for a really good anti-Putin/Russia post without any foundation in reality.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago

Always good to get an evidence-based perspective.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

”Besides Vagner itself, Putin’s minions have encouraged every Russian soldier to rape, torture and steal. Now it’s “normal,””

!

I recommend you watch some youtube from a leading expert Colonel MacGregor, and also Scott Ritter. You are saying crazy stuff – please give links to this being normal. Proper links. And by the way, you can find links – much buried by the search engines algorithm – of horrific things the Ukrainians are doing.

Zalenski has basically taken over all the nation, is conscripting with press gangs to the front – where the life in battle is 4 hours for the Ukrainian forced conscripts with massed Russian artillery.

Zalenski has outlawed the Church, outlawed other political parties, allowed the Na*i militias so famous in Ukraine to have free reign equal to Wagner…

It is EVIL DIRTY WAR! There is a simple answer – Peace. Biden forbids it, as does Boris – but only those, from day one, are the reason this was not ended with a peace treaty – – and so the destruction, death, economic disaster be avoided.

This is Biden and Boris’s war.

and it is going to economically wreck Europe. If you have a pension coming, it may not happen as you plan – the economy is wrecked in Europe and UK – the world really – and this was the huge Nail in the coffin. This was never about freedom – this is about destruction of the world economy. The Ukrainians are the chess board, and will be 100% destroyed by this game played on their lands, with their lives.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Go back to the Spectator boards.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago

Looks like the Age of the Sledgehammer is about to descend on Russia.
These aren’t the innocent Zeks released in 1953, even if many had been brutalized in the Gulag.
Besides Vagner itself, Putin’s minions have encouraged every Russian soldier to rape, torture and steal. Now it’s “normal,” and it’s going to be very hard to break their habits–especially when the people they return to look, act and speak pretty much like many Ukrainians.
And when Putin goes (as go he must, after a year of total failure), there will be absolutely nothing standing in the way of total anarchy.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago

In the no-cash-bail cities in the USA, you can commit any crime and be let out the next day without having to serve with any Orchestral Group. Indeed any criminal from anywhere can parade over the Southern Border of that country, no knowledge of classical music required.

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago

In the no-cash-bail cities in the USA, you can commit any crime and be let out the next day without having to serve with any Orchestral Group. Indeed any criminal from anywhere can parade over the Southern Border of that country, no knowledge of classical music required.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago

We should have kept out of this regional conflict from the beginning.

We are more responsible for the destruction of a generation of Ukrainians, the destruction of its cities, industry and education. The causing 12,000,000 refugees, most who will not come back wrecking Ukraine even more, the million injured, crippled, and PTSD inflicted, wile bankrupting ourselves and military stockpiles and bring on a global famine and energy crisis – than these murderer Prisoners are.

Peter B
Peter B
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Give it up.
Only one person is responsible for all the deaths and destruction in Ukraine. Putin.
End of.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

You realize that is a crazy comment, one born of ignorance so vast it cannot be replied to. haha, and people up-vote it…

Peter B
Peter B
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

And yet you still replied !

Peter B
Peter B
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

And yet you still replied !

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Are you like 4 years old? I see all the new upvoters are most un unherd-like. Most of us here have some sort of analytical abilities and are able to triangulate information and sources. Sadly, that is not these net new contributors to the unherd boards.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

You realize that is a crazy comment, one born of ignorance so vast it cannot be replied to. haha, and people up-vote it…

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Are you like 4 years old? I see all the new upvoters are most un unherd-like. Most of us here have some sort of analytical abilities and are able to triangulate information and sources. Sadly, that is not these net new contributors to the unherd boards.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

IOW, you want us to allow people like the Vagnerites free rein over all of Ukraine, and over 44 million people?
…Instead of the tiny corner of Ukraine, where, so far, the bacillus has been sealed off?
Nobody in the West actually wanted to help Ukraine in the first few days. They, not us, saved their country.
But now you want us to sacrifice 44 million people…to Vagner. For what?
…Oh, I know!
So you can feel ever-so righteous about yourself.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Actually because I am anti war.

Have you learned nothing from Iraq and Afghanistan? Both places we destroyed for NO REASON! But at great costs.

There was no need for this war. Let Russia kill the rulers of the corrupt Oligarchy and replace them with their own corrupt Oligarchs. Also Stop the Na*is.

Make it never to be EU and Nato – and the nation suffers no catastrophe – and Europe is not economically destroyed, and global famine is not caused, and a global depression not forced.

This WWIII of Biden and Boris is the most evil war in 80 years.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

You may be anti-war but Putin isn’t. Therein lies the problem.

Steve Farrell
Steve Farrell
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Let Russia wade in & do as they please? You honestly expect Ukraine to roll over without a fight?

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Such hypocrisy…
You’re living in a state protected by nuclear weapons, in turn protected by the strongest alliance on the planet.
But you’re soooo upset–because the Ukrainians are resisting being killed?!
Perhaps we could ask them to send you a contribution?
After all, they seem to be willing to sacrifice almost everything…

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Wait until the de-dollarization kicks in…

TheElephant InTheRoom
TheElephant InTheRoom
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Wait until the de-dollarization kicks in…

Sayantani Gupta Jafa
Sayantani Gupta Jafa
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Spot on..

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

You may be anti-war but Putin isn’t. Therein lies the problem.

Steve Farrell
Steve Farrell
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Let Russia wade in & do as they please? You honestly expect Ukraine to roll over without a fight?

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Such hypocrisy…
You’re living in a state protected by nuclear weapons, in turn protected by the strongest alliance on the planet.
But you’re soooo upset–because the Ukrainians are resisting being killed?!
Perhaps we could ask them to send you a contribution?
After all, they seem to be willing to sacrifice almost everything…

Sayantani Gupta Jafa
Sayantani Gupta Jafa
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Spot on..

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago
Reply to  martin logan

Actually because I am anti war.

Have you learned nothing from Iraq and Afghanistan? Both places we destroyed for NO REASON! But at great costs.

There was no need for this war. Let Russia kill the rulers of the corrupt Oligarchy and replace them with their own corrupt Oligarchs. Also Stop the Na*is.

Make it never to be EU and Nato – and the nation suffers no catastrophe – and Europe is not economically destroyed, and global famine is not caused, and a global depression not forced.

This WWIII of Biden and Boris is the most evil war in 80 years.

stephen archer
stephen archer
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

By “we” of course you mean Russia.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Yes, that’s what Neville Chamberlain thought. He was anti war after the destruction of WW1. He was happy to come to agreement regarding a far off country of which we know little to ensure peace in our time. That ended well didn’t it.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Er, this region happens to be ours.

Peter B
Peter B
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Give it up.
Only one person is responsible for all the deaths and destruction in Ukraine. Putin.
End of.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

IOW, you want us to allow people like the Vagnerites free rein over all of Ukraine, and over 44 million people?
…Instead of the tiny corner of Ukraine, where, so far, the bacillus has been sealed off?
Nobody in the West actually wanted to help Ukraine in the first few days. They, not us, saved their country.
But now you want us to sacrifice 44 million people…to Vagner. For what?
…Oh, I know!
So you can feel ever-so righteous about yourself.

stephen archer
stephen archer
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

By “we” of course you mean Russia.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Yes, that’s what Neville Chamberlain thought. He was anti war after the destruction of WW1. He was happy to come to agreement regarding a far off country of which we know little to ensure peace in our time. That ended well didn’t it.

martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

Er, this region happens to be ours.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago

We should have kept out of this regional conflict from the beginning.

We are more responsible for the destruction of a generation of Ukrainians, the destruction of its cities, industry and education. The causing 12,000,000 refugees, most who will not come back wrecking Ukraine even more, the million injured, crippled, and PTSD inflicted, wile bankrupting ourselves and military stockpiles and bring on a global famine and energy crisis – than these murderer Prisoners are.