Surely one of the best ways to avoid loneliness is to develop a number of close social relationships – e.g. by joining clubs/societies – in addition to any existing “partner relationship”
As the stats point out, marriage is helpful, but it’s not a silver bullet.
That’s all well and good up to the point the government bans you from attending your chosen club/society. During Covid the precedent was set – even asking us not to meet with friends/relatives. It will take a lot more coercive control for the state to ban husbands and wives and their children from living together.
There must be two Unherd Readers here. There is one who makes intelligent, well-reasoned comments, and then there is you. Could you please change your name to Herd Reader?
I think that was exactly the point in the article. Marriage is the silver bullet and most significant variable to reduce loneliness and improve wellbeing and health.
The article just suggests that being married is better for loneliness than non-marriage. My point is that there are more variables involved in the subject of loneliness than this article is covering.
It might be telling that the author has chosen not to cover non-married couples as a category.
Indeed, and there’s nothing more lonely than a marriage where love has died, or where violence – either physical or psychological – has taken the place of love. Advocating marriage for the sake of it is fundamentally flawed.
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago
Wow groundbreaking content for a book. Everyone pre-order the hardback to find out why couples are less lonely.
Does the date reliably distinguish between those who live as couples and those who have married (presumably here being the traditional nuclear family 1950s kind)?
Anyway the argument puts the cart before the horse. We are all lonely for the same reasons we are not getting married. Marriage isn’t the solution it’s a symptom.
sarah rutherford
3 months ago
You can be lonely and among people. You can be lonely in a marriage. Loneliness comes from a feeling of disconnection, of lack of close relationship, not necessarily physical isolation although for many this may play a large part.
2 plus 2 equals 4
3 months ago
The upside of marriage is that there is always someone there to talk to.
The downside is the same.
How many more things are we going to pathologize? Loneliness is now a public health issue? Here’s an idea: set down that smartphone for 15 minutes and have a face to face conversation with someone. Put down the game console and go have a drink with a couple of friends. If you’re in an office building, pull out the earbuds during lunch and eat with a colleague in the breakroom or, even better, a nearby restaurant. Go to church, join the local theater, take a class, try this thing called living that, by definition, involves interacting with other people in a non-digital manner.
I agree, but those things are getting harder to do. Smartphones are addictive, the drink is expensive, working lunches are the norm, society in general is less apparent. Some will be fine in that world, others will not. And it’s not just down to you – others have to reciprocate. If there are fewer or no clubs to join, it’s harder to join a club.
laurence scaduto
3 months ago
The number of truly pressing problems that have popped up since the spread of smart phones is impossible to not see; depression, anxiety, loneliness, anger, etc.
Yet most of you can’t seem to admit that to yourselves.
Strangest of all, most of what you’re looking at is un-dated, recycled and manipulated footage of past disasters. Or the depressed, anxious, lonely and angry ravings of very un-happy people.
William Shaw
3 months ago
Governments have been passing anti-male laws for decades in response to women’s demands.
No wonder men are reluctant to commit to marriage.
Susan Grabston
3 months ago
Diversity is our strength? Disaggregation is the outcome. Go figure.
Surely one of the best ways to avoid loneliness is to develop a number of close social relationships – e.g. by joining clubs/societies – in addition to any existing “partner relationship”
As the stats point out, marriage is helpful, but it’s not a silver bullet.
That’s all well and good up to the point the government bans you from attending your chosen club/society. During Covid the precedent was set – even asking us not to meet with friends/relatives. It will take a lot more coercive control for the state to ban husbands and wives and their children from living together.
That’s your excuse is it? A lockdown that ended years ago?
There must be two Unherd Readers here. There is one who makes intelligent, well-reasoned comments, and then there is you. Could you please change your name to Herd Reader?
I’m the other Unherd Reader. How do I change it to my name?
I think that was exactly the point in the article. Marriage is the silver bullet and most significant variable to reduce loneliness and improve wellbeing and health.
The article just suggests that being married is better for loneliness than non-marriage. My point is that there are more variables involved in the subject of loneliness than this article is covering.
It might be telling that the author has chosen not to cover non-married couples as a category.
Indeed, and there’s nothing more lonely than a marriage where love has died, or where violence – either physical or psychological – has taken the place of love. Advocating marriage for the sake of it is fundamentally flawed.
Wow groundbreaking content for a book. Everyone pre-order the hardback to find out why couples are less lonely.
Does the date reliably distinguish between those who live as couples and those who have married (presumably here being the traditional nuclear family 1950s kind)?
Anyway the argument puts the cart before the horse. We are all lonely for the same reasons we are not getting married. Marriage isn’t the solution it’s a symptom.
You can be lonely and among people. You can be lonely in a marriage. Loneliness comes from a feeling of disconnection, of lack of close relationship, not necessarily physical isolation although for many this may play a large part.
The upside of marriage is that there is always someone there to talk to.
The downside is the same.
Haha! Nicely put
Let me talk to my wife about that.
…. and to listen to 🙂
How many more things are we going to pathologize? Loneliness is now a public health issue? Here’s an idea: set down that smartphone for 15 minutes and have a face to face conversation with someone. Put down the game console and go have a drink with a couple of friends. If you’re in an office building, pull out the earbuds during lunch and eat with a colleague in the breakroom or, even better, a nearby restaurant. Go to church, join the local theater, take a class, try this thing called living that, by definition, involves interacting with other people in a non-digital manner.
I agree, but those things are getting harder to do. Smartphones are addictive, the drink is expensive, working lunches are the norm, society in general is less apparent. Some will be fine in that world, others will not. And it’s not just down to you – others have to reciprocate. If there are fewer or no clubs to join, it’s harder to join a club.
The number of truly pressing problems that have popped up since the spread of smart phones is impossible to not see; depression, anxiety, loneliness, anger, etc.
Yet most of you can’t seem to admit that to yourselves.
Strangest of all, most of what you’re looking at is un-dated, recycled and manipulated footage of past disasters. Or the depressed, anxious, lonely and angry ravings of very un-happy people.
Governments have been passing anti-male laws for decades in response to women’s demands.
No wonder men are reluctant to commit to marriage.
Diversity is our strength? Disaggregation is the outcome. Go figure.