Yep we keep hearing the Russian supporters talk about their endless reserves of manpower without appreciating the consequences.
Of related interest is the fact so many fled to places like Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan etc, States Putin previously viewed almost as vassals. And these places have willingly provided sanctuary. Furthermore earlier this week Azerbaijan did a major deal with EU states to double gas exports at the expense of Russian suppliers. Putin in no position now to have the Tanks roll eastwards to stop that and the reality of how he’s weakened himself and his Country a slow burn but inexorable.
Right, with 80% of the Russian Army firmly embedded in the tar baby that is Ukraine, none of their other neighbors need to fear an attack. They can thumb their noses at Putin with impunity.
Right, with 80% of the Russian Army firmly embedded in the tar baby that is Ukraine, none of their other neighbors need to fear an attack. They can thumb their noses at Putin with impunity.
j watson
1 year ago
Yep we keep hearing the Russian supporters talk about their endless reserves of manpower without appreciating the consequences.
Of related interest is the fact so many fled to places like Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan etc, States Putin previously viewed almost as vassals. And these places have willingly provided sanctuary. Furthermore earlier this week Azerbaijan did a major deal with EU states to double gas exports at the expense of Russian suppliers. Putin in no position now to have the Tanks roll eastwards to stop that and the reality of how he’s weakened himself and his Country a slow burn but inexorable.
Peter B
1 year ago
No surprises here. Entirely predictable. Talented people always vote with their feet. Unless you build a Berlin Wall. They’re leaving a basket case behind.
Peter B
1 year ago
No surprises here. Entirely predictable. Talented people always vote with their feet. Unless you build a Berlin Wall. They’re leaving a basket case behind.
Elena R.
1 year ago
Let alone the Jewish emigration that has doubled since the beginning of the war. Add to that the desastrous life expectancy, expecially in men.
I quote the exiled chiel Rabbi Goldschmidt who said “I think it’s safe to say that a great percentage of the creacle, the creative class of business and cultural leaders, intellectuals and artists, have left Russia, which is and will be very detrimental to Russian society.”
Elena R.
1 year ago
Let alone the Jewish emigration that has doubled since the beginning of the war. Add to that the desastrous life expectancy, expecially in men.
I quote the exiled chiel Rabbi Goldschmidt who said “I think it’s safe to say that a great percentage of the creacle, the creative class of business and cultural leaders, intellectuals and artists, have left Russia, which is and will be very detrimental to Russian society.”
martin logan
1 year ago
Just another result of Putin’s planning for a short war–and getting sucked into an endless meat grinder.
At least over the winter, Russia was pursuing a cruel, if potentially effective strategy: destroy the power grid, so Ukrainians would freeze, and supposedly leave the country.
But the the latest attacks in Uman, Zaporizhia and Kyiv only speak of mindless desperation, a la Germany in 1944. Too weak and ineffective to attack military targets, the Russian military now goes for civilians.
And everyone knows that D-Day is coming…
Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
Just another result of Putin’s planning for a short war–and getting sucked into an endless meat grinder.
At least over the winter, Russia was pursuing a cruel, if potentially effective strategy: destroy the power grid, so Ukrainians would freeze, and supposedly leave the country.
But the the latest attacks in Uman, Zaporizhia and Kyiv only speak of mindless desperation, a la Germany in 1944. Too weak and ineffective to attack military targets, the Russian military now goes for civilians.
And everyone knows that D-Day is coming…
Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
Friedrich Tellberg
1 year ago
The trends the article describes seem plausible. But Russia’s disastrous weakening has been announced before. And here they still are. War economies did not implode early on in the past. Germany’s industrial war machine was fully operational until 1918 and well into the end of 1944. Those wars were not decided in the factory halls…
You couldn’t be more wrong. WWI and WWII were largely decided by industrial production and logistics. The Soviet Union massively outproduced Germany in tanks. The US ramped from very low production to massive output – enough to supply the UK (tanks) and Soviet Union (trucks) as well as themselves. The Germans didn’t get serious about production until 1943.
Germany was almost starving in 1918. They were on the verge of collapse at the end of 1918. People just like to pretend they weren’t. Check the history.
The trends aren’t “plausible”. They’re facts. Even the Russians have admitted it. No need to stay in denial on this.
What is more important is how resources are used. The four massive battleships, Bismarck, etc had a combined weight of about 120,000 T . If that steel and manpower had been used to make 1000T ocean going U- Boats pre 1939 , Germany could have won WW2. Tiger Tanks were superb but building cheaper Panzer Mk IV with 75mm guns which were lighter and easier to maintain would have made better use of the resources.
It was the whole command system designed by Dowding which enabled efficient use of fighters in the Battle of Britain.
Russia appears to have ignored the development in hand held anti tank missiles such as the NLAWS to which their T80s and T90s are vulnerable.
A cheap longbow wielded by an archer brought down an expensively trained and armoured knight on a horse.
The war industry did collapse in the end. No doubt. They did loose the war from all perspectives. But only after a long time. And first when they were running out of soldiers.
What is more important is how resources are used. The four massive battleships, Bismarck, etc had a combined weight of about 120,000 T . If that steel and manpower had been used to make 1000T ocean going U- Boats pre 1939 , Germany could have won WW2. Tiger Tanks were superb but building cheaper Panzer Mk IV with 75mm guns which were lighter and easier to maintain would have made better use of the resources.
It was the whole command system designed by Dowding which enabled efficient use of fighters in the Battle of Britain.
Russia appears to have ignored the development in hand held anti tank missiles such as the NLAWS to which their T80s and T90s are vulnerable.
A cheap longbow wielded by an archer brought down an expensively trained and armoured knight on a horse.
The war industry did collapse in the end. No doubt. They did loose the war from all perspectives. But only after a long time. And first when they were running out of soldiers.
A large factor in the Germans losing the Battle of Britain was the fact the UK was churning out Hurricanes and Spitfires at almost double the rate the Germans could knock up a Messerschmitt
You couldn’t be more wrong. WWI and WWII were largely decided by industrial production and logistics. The Soviet Union massively outproduced Germany in tanks. The US ramped from very low production to massive output – enough to supply the UK (tanks) and Soviet Union (trucks) as well as themselves. The Germans didn’t get serious about production until 1943.
Germany was almost starving in 1918. They were on the verge of collapse at the end of 1918. People just like to pretend they weren’t. Check the history.
The trends aren’t “plausible”. They’re facts. Even the Russians have admitted it. No need to stay in denial on this.
A large factor in the Germans losing the Battle of Britain was the fact the UK was churning out Hurricanes and Spitfires at almost double the rate the Germans could knock up a Messerschmitt
Friedrich Tellberg
1 year ago
The trends the article describes seem plausible. But Russia’s disastrous weakening has been announced before. And here they still are. War economies did not implode early on in the past. Germany’s industrial war machine was fully operational until 1918 and well into the end of 1944. Those wars were not decided in the factory halls…
Andrew F
1 year ago
There are so many conflicting claims about reasons for certain outcomes that who knows what the truth is.
We were told that recruitment of soldiers was mostly from unemployed in poor regions.
So why would it effect workforce in any big way?
Mass emigration would, of course.
The figures quoted look way off.
If there was loss of 1 mln to migration and 400k to army recruitment then how can it be only 2% of male workers of 20-49 cohort?
That would mean that this cohort was 70mln.
I thought whole population of Russia was circa 150mln?
Agree but not as far out as you suggest. According to stats there are 7.5 million Russian men in the 20-29 year bracket as of 2022.
Figures are obviously difficult to come by. I understood it was estimated to be about 700,000 ( the article says upto 1 million ) who left and remember they weren’t all men nor necessarily in that age bracket.
All the numbers are a bit “woolly”. Note TASS is a government outlet, was talking about under 35s and talking about the workforce. Matching up the numbers would be difficult – it’s the “direction of travel” that’s important.
Agree but not as far out as you suggest. According to stats there are 7.5 million Russian men in the 20-29 year bracket as of 2022.
Figures are obviously difficult to come by. I understood it was estimated to be about 700,000 ( the article says upto 1 million ) who left and remember they weren’t all men nor necessarily in that age bracket.
All the numbers are a bit “woolly”. Note TASS is a government outlet, was talking about under 35s and talking about the workforce. Matching up the numbers would be difficult – it’s the “direction of travel” that’s important.
Last edited 1 year ago by Isabel Ward
Andrew F
1 year ago
There are so many conflicting claims about reasons for certain outcomes that who knows what the truth is.
We were told that recruitment of soldiers was mostly from unemployed in poor regions.
So why would it effect workforce in any big way?
Mass emigration would, of course.
The figures quoted look way off.
If there was loss of 1 mln to migration and 400k to army recruitment then how can it be only 2% of male workers of 20-49 cohort?
That would mean that this cohort was 70mln.
I thought whole population of Russia was circa 150mln?
Yep we keep hearing the Russian supporters talk about their endless reserves of manpower without appreciating the consequences.
Of related interest is the fact so many fled to places like Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan etc, States Putin previously viewed almost as vassals. And these places have willingly provided sanctuary. Furthermore earlier this week Azerbaijan did a major deal with EU states to double gas exports at the expense of Russian suppliers. Putin in no position now to have the Tanks roll eastwards to stop that and the reality of how he’s weakened himself and his Country a slow burn but inexorable.
Right, with 80% of the Russian Army firmly embedded in the tar baby that is Ukraine, none of their other neighbors need to fear an attack. They can thumb their noses at Putin with impunity.
Right, with 80% of the Russian Army firmly embedded in the tar baby that is Ukraine, none of their other neighbors need to fear an attack. They can thumb their noses at Putin with impunity.
Yep we keep hearing the Russian supporters talk about their endless reserves of manpower without appreciating the consequences.
Of related interest is the fact so many fled to places like Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan etc, States Putin previously viewed almost as vassals. And these places have willingly provided sanctuary. Furthermore earlier this week Azerbaijan did a major deal with EU states to double gas exports at the expense of Russian suppliers. Putin in no position now to have the Tanks roll eastwards to stop that and the reality of how he’s weakened himself and his Country a slow burn but inexorable.
No surprises here. Entirely predictable. Talented people always vote with their feet. Unless you build a Berlin Wall. They’re leaving a basket case behind.
No surprises here. Entirely predictable. Talented people always vote with their feet. Unless you build a Berlin Wall. They’re leaving a basket case behind.
Let alone the Jewish emigration that has doubled since the beginning of the war. Add to that the desastrous life expectancy, expecially in men.
I quote the exiled chiel Rabbi Goldschmidt who said “I think it’s safe to say that a great percentage of the creacle, the creative class of business and cultural leaders, intellectuals and artists, have left Russia, which is and will be very detrimental to Russian society.”
Let alone the Jewish emigration that has doubled since the beginning of the war. Add to that the desastrous life expectancy, expecially in men.
I quote the exiled chiel Rabbi Goldschmidt who said “I think it’s safe to say that a great percentage of the creacle, the creative class of business and cultural leaders, intellectuals and artists, have left Russia, which is and will be very detrimental to Russian society.”
Just another result of Putin’s planning for a short war–and getting sucked into an endless meat grinder.
At least over the winter, Russia was pursuing a cruel, if potentially effective strategy: destroy the power grid, so Ukrainians would freeze, and supposedly leave the country.
But the the latest attacks in Uman, Zaporizhia and Kyiv only speak of mindless desperation, a la Germany in 1944. Too weak and ineffective to attack military targets, the Russian military now goes for civilians.
And everyone knows that D-Day is coming…
Just another result of Putin’s planning for a short war–and getting sucked into an endless meat grinder.
At least over the winter, Russia was pursuing a cruel, if potentially effective strategy: destroy the power grid, so Ukrainians would freeze, and supposedly leave the country.
But the the latest attacks in Uman, Zaporizhia and Kyiv only speak of mindless desperation, a la Germany in 1944. Too weak and ineffective to attack military targets, the Russian military now goes for civilians.
And everyone knows that D-Day is coming…
The trends the article describes seem plausible. But Russia’s disastrous weakening has been announced before. And here they still are. War economies did not implode early on in the past. Germany’s industrial war machine was fully operational until 1918 and well into the end of 1944. Those wars were not decided in the factory halls…
You couldn’t be more wrong. WWI and WWII were largely decided by industrial production and logistics. The Soviet Union massively outproduced Germany in tanks. The US ramped from very low production to massive output – enough to supply the UK (tanks) and Soviet Union (trucks) as well as themselves. The Germans didn’t get serious about production until 1943.
Germany was almost starving in 1918. They were on the verge of collapse at the end of 1918. People just like to pretend they weren’t. Check the history.
The trends aren’t “plausible”. They’re facts. Even the Russians have admitted it. No need to stay in denial on this.
Also assumes Putin could brutalise his own people in the way Stalin did in order to get them to fight. Would just hasten his own demise.
What is more important is how resources are used. The four massive battleships, Bismarck, etc had a combined weight of about 120,000 T . If that steel and manpower had been used to make 1000T ocean going U- Boats pre 1939 , Germany could have won WW2. Tiger Tanks were superb but building cheaper Panzer Mk IV with 75mm guns which were lighter and easier to maintain would have made better use of the resources.
It was the whole command system designed by Dowding which enabled efficient use of fighters in the Battle of Britain.
Russia appears to have ignored the development in hand held anti tank missiles such as the NLAWS to which their T80s and T90s are vulnerable.
A cheap longbow wielded by an archer brought down an expensively trained and armoured knight on a horse.
The war industry did collapse in the end. No doubt. They did loose the war from all perspectives. But only after a long time. And first when they were running out of soldiers.
Also assumes Putin could brutalise his own people in the way Stalin did in order to get them to fight. Would just hasten his own demise.
What is more important is how resources are used. The four massive battleships, Bismarck, etc had a combined weight of about 120,000 T . If that steel and manpower had been used to make 1000T ocean going U- Boats pre 1939 , Germany could have won WW2. Tiger Tanks were superb but building cheaper Panzer Mk IV with 75mm guns which were lighter and easier to maintain would have made better use of the resources.
It was the whole command system designed by Dowding which enabled efficient use of fighters in the Battle of Britain.
Russia appears to have ignored the development in hand held anti tank missiles such as the NLAWS to which their T80s and T90s are vulnerable.
A cheap longbow wielded by an archer brought down an expensively trained and armoured knight on a horse.
The war industry did collapse in the end. No doubt. They did loose the war from all perspectives. But only after a long time. And first when they were running out of soldiers.
A large factor in the Germans losing the Battle of Britain was the fact the UK was churning out Hurricanes and Spitfires at almost double the rate the Germans could knock up a Messerschmitt
You couldn’t be more wrong. WWI and WWII were largely decided by industrial production and logistics. The Soviet Union massively outproduced Germany in tanks. The US ramped from very low production to massive output – enough to supply the UK (tanks) and Soviet Union (trucks) as well as themselves. The Germans didn’t get serious about production until 1943.
Germany was almost starving in 1918. They were on the verge of collapse at the end of 1918. People just like to pretend they weren’t. Check the history.
The trends aren’t “plausible”. They’re facts. Even the Russians have admitted it. No need to stay in denial on this.
A large factor in the Germans losing the Battle of Britain was the fact the UK was churning out Hurricanes and Spitfires at almost double the rate the Germans could knock up a Messerschmitt
The trends the article describes seem plausible. But Russia’s disastrous weakening has been announced before. And here they still are. War economies did not implode early on in the past. Germany’s industrial war machine was fully operational until 1918 and well into the end of 1944. Those wars were not decided in the factory halls…
There are so many conflicting claims about reasons for certain outcomes that who knows what the truth is.
We were told that recruitment of soldiers was mostly from unemployed in poor regions.
So why would it effect workforce in any big way?
Mass emigration would, of course.
The figures quoted look way off.
If there was loss of 1 mln to migration and 400k to army recruitment then how can it be only 2% of male workers of 20-49 cohort?
That would mean that this cohort was 70mln.
I thought whole population of Russia was circa 150mln?
I did a double-take when I read ‘2%’. The percentage doesn’t look right.
Agree but not as far out as you suggest. According to stats there are 7.5 million Russian men in the 20-29 year bracket as of 2022.
Figures are obviously difficult to come by. I understood it was estimated to be about 700,000 ( the article says upto 1 million ) who left and remember they weren’t all men nor necessarily in that age bracket.
All the numbers are a bit “woolly”. Note TASS is a government outlet, was talking about under 35s and talking about the workforce. Matching up the numbers would be difficult – it’s the “direction of travel” that’s important.
I did a double-take when I read ‘2%’. The percentage doesn’t look right.
Agree but not as far out as you suggest. According to stats there are 7.5 million Russian men in the 20-29 year bracket as of 2022.
Figures are obviously difficult to come by. I understood it was estimated to be about 700,000 ( the article says upto 1 million ) who left and remember they weren’t all men nor necessarily in that age bracket.
All the numbers are a bit “woolly”. Note TASS is a government outlet, was talking about under 35s and talking about the workforce. Matching up the numbers would be difficult – it’s the “direction of travel” that’s important.
There are so many conflicting claims about reasons for certain outcomes that who knows what the truth is.
We were told that recruitment of soldiers was mostly from unemployed in poor regions.
So why would it effect workforce in any big way?
Mass emigration would, of course.
The figures quoted look way off.
If there was loss of 1 mln to migration and 400k to army recruitment then how can it be only 2% of male workers of 20-49 cohort?
That would mean that this cohort was 70mln.
I thought whole population of Russia was circa 150mln?