Yet another reason why the Ukrainians are and will fight so hard – could you countenance a criminal force full of convicted criminals controlling your home town? It is existential for them and we must continue to help with everything we can.
At some point too there must be a chance of mass defections across to Ukrainian lines. If you know you are permanently locked into serving with Wagner until you die what do you have to lose?
The ukranian army make Dad’s Army look like efficient trained killers.
j watson
1 year ago
Yet another reason why the Ukrainians are and will fight so hard – could you countenance a criminal force full of convicted criminals controlling your home town? It is existential for them and we must continue to help with everything we can.
At some point too there must be a chance of mass defections across to Ukrainian lines. If you know you are permanently locked into serving with Wagner until you die what do you have to lose?
Andy E
1 year ago
Only an imbecile would draw conclusions about what is happening in Russia based on what Ukrainian officials say. And vise versa, about what is going on in Ukraine based on Russian propaganda. I don’t believe a single digit in this article.
So you would then dispute the *fact* (stated in the article) that the Wagner group recruited convicts ? And would denying a fact openly acknowledged by the Russian leaders as well as Ukraine and Western media make you an “imbecile” ? Or something else ?
Yes. Reading this am reminded of the deliberately distorted images of our opponents in previous wars: the which have always been a staple of pro-war propagandists.
Indeed, Putin’s retreats from Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson and Kharkiv Oblast were all brilliant Russian ruses.
Just like Hitler’s drawing in of the allies to Berlin–to deal his knock-out punch.
And the sinking of the Moskva created a TOTAL blockade of all Ukrainian ports.
Genius…
Yes. Reading this am reminded of the deliberately distorted images of our opponents in previous wars: the which have always been a staple of pro-war propagandists.
Indeed, Putin’s retreats from Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson and Kharkiv Oblast were all brilliant Russian ruses.
Just like Hitler’s drawing in of the allies to Berlin–to deal his knock-out punch.
And the sinking of the Moskva created a TOTAL blockade of all Ukrainian ports.
Genius…
So you would then dispute the *fact* (stated in the article) that the Wagner group recruited convicts ? And would denying a fact openly acknowledged by the Russian leaders as well as Ukraine and Western media make you an “imbecile” ? Or something else ?
This is what Prigozhin says.
But you already knew that.
Andy E
1 year ago
Only an imbecile would draw conclusions about what is happening in Russia based on what Ukrainian officials say. And vise versa, about what is going on in Ukraine based on Russian propaganda. I don’t believe a single digit in this article.
hayden eastwood
1 year ago
No money for anyone guessing what a bunch of rapists and murderers would do once they took over a Ukrainian town.
As far as cold psychopathic leadership goes, it is, you have to admit, pretty brilliant:
1. Either the convict succeeds in battle and rapidly becomes the problem of the Ukranian population or
2. He dies and is one less expense for the Russian state.
Win-win, Dr Evil.
hayden eastwood
1 year ago
No money for anyone guessing what a bunch of rapists and murderers would do once they took over a Ukrainian town.
As far as cold psychopathic leadership goes, it is, you have to admit, pretty brilliant:
1. Either the convict succeeds in battle and rapidly becomes the problem of the Ukranian population or
2. He dies and is one less expense for the Russian state.
Win-win, Dr Evil.
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
The Dirty Dozen was a movie. IRL these men will have zero morale and cannot be used for anything other than cannon fodder.
And the Dirty Dozen were killing Germans, which Hollywood loves
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
The Dirty Dozen was a movie. IRL these men will have zero morale and cannot be used for anything other than cannon fodder.
Howard Gleave
1 year ago
“Yevgeny Prigozhin pictured alongside prisoners recruited into the Russian army.”
This caption is about as incorrect as it gets. They’re being recruited into the mercenary Wagner group, conceived from the ground up to be plausibly deniable by the Russian army.
Howard Gleave
1 year ago
“Yevgeny Prigozhin pictured alongside prisoners recruited into the Russian army.”
This caption is about as incorrect as it gets. They’re being recruited into the mercenary Wagner group, conceived from the ground up to be plausibly deniable by the Russian army.
That’s what I thought. The article is cannon fodder too.
Paul Devlin
1 year ago
This ngo says and that ngo says. Just propaganda
Todd Kreigh
1 year ago
Almost everyday you can read about some bu*t-munch of a Republican Congressperson whine about the money we are “wasting” on Ukraine. These are the people that mouse-farted over trillions being printed up to spend on nothing, and now carp about a few billion spent trying to help save a soverign nation from being engulfed by pure evil.
I also read on a so-called Christian satire site (Babylon Bee) jokes about the waste of money as its funneled into Ukraine’s corrupt infrastructure. That hurts even worse, because they’ve got a point.
My Ukrainian wife cries almost daily over news from the war. But, as I’ve told her, the thing that will really kill Ukraine is not the population loss, or the destruction of infrastructure, or even a loss of territory. The real dagger to the heart are the traitorous people in powerful positions whose love of personal enrichment trumps love of country.
Sadly, corruption is the greatest evil of Ukraine, a country whose vast majority want nothing more than the rule of law and accountable government. Regarding the war, America, as co-signatories to the Budapest Memorandum, could hardly have turned a blind eye this time. They failed spectacularly after the seizure of Crimea and the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner greatly encouraging Putin to go further.
Sadly, corruption is the greatest evil of Ukraine, a country whose vast majority want nothing more than the rule of law and accountable government. Regarding the war, America, as co-signatories to the Budapest Memorandum, could hardly have turned a blind eye this time. They failed spectacularly after the seizure of Crimea and the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner greatly encouraging Putin to go further.
Zelensky has just signed over 28% of the ukraines farmland to a USA agribusiness corporation. I hope he told the actual farmers.
Todd Kreigh
1 year ago
Almost everyday you can read about some bu*t-munch of a Republican Congressperson whine about the money we are “wasting” on Ukraine. These are the people that mouse-farted over trillions being printed up to spend on nothing, and now carp about a few billion spent trying to help save a soverign nation from being engulfed by pure evil.
I also read on a so-called Christian satire site (Babylon Bee) jokes about the waste of money as its funneled into Ukraine’s corrupt infrastructure. That hurts even worse, because they’ve got a point.
My Ukrainian wife cries almost daily over news from the war. But, as I’ve told her, the thing that will really kill Ukraine is not the population loss, or the destruction of infrastructure, or even a loss of territory. The real dagger to the heart are the traitorous people in powerful positions whose love of personal enrichment trumps love of country.
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
You can tell a military assault is really going well when even the convicts start volunteering to help out.
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
You can tell a military assault is really going well when even the convicts start volunteering to help out.
martin logan
1 year ago
A bit old news, since Prigozhin’s failure to capture Bakhmut led to Surovikhin’s demotion, and the army’s now total control over the battle space.
Still, if the army fails again this spring (can’t have significant operations before the end of rasputitsa in May), Prigozhin may be resurrected.
The Russian Govniks have antique tanks and weapons, infantry with zero morale–plus a petrified Moscow elite that demands that their city be protected at the expense of the front.
So Prigozhin may be just biding his time–just as Lenin did in 1917.
Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
martin logan
1 year ago
A bit old news, since Prigozhin’s failure to capture Bakhmut led to Surovikhin’s demotion, and the army’s now total control over the battle space.
Still, if the army fails again this spring (can’t have significant operations before the end of rasputitsa in May), Prigozhin may be resurrected.
The Russian Govniks have antique tanks and weapons, infantry with zero morale–plus a petrified Moscow elite that demands that their city be protected at the expense of the front.
So Prigozhin may be just biding his time–just as Lenin did in 1917.
Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
jane baker
1 year ago
Didn’t Hollywood many,many years ago make a movie on this very theme. It was called The Dirty Dozen and though I never seen it I gather the subtle slant of the film was that this was a “good idea”. There was a similar film Kellys Heroes,never saw that but it was similar theme? And those Dirty Harry movies etc ,renegade cop breaks all the rules but GETS RESULTS. Not a jail sentence ,lol. Seen none of these but Hollywood loves the idea of the renegade warriors ,they’re bad but fighhting for justice redeems them. The A team. And those Hellboy movies. Never seen them either but ain’t it that the demon heroic protagonist can inflict death and destruction but not be burnt by it. Hollywood loves these ideas,until someone else does it!
Yet another reason why the Ukrainians are and will fight so hard – could you countenance a criminal force full of convicted criminals controlling your home town? It is existential for them and we must continue to help with everything we can.
At some point too there must be a chance of mass defections across to Ukrainian lines. If you know you are permanently locked into serving with Wagner until you die what do you have to lose?
The ukranians fighting hard . I don’t think so.
The ukranian army make Dad’s Army look like efficient trained killers.
The ukranians fighting hard . I don’t think so.
The ukranian army make Dad’s Army look like efficient trained killers.
Yet another reason why the Ukrainians are and will fight so hard – could you countenance a criminal force full of convicted criminals controlling your home town? It is existential for them and we must continue to help with everything we can.
At some point too there must be a chance of mass defections across to Ukrainian lines. If you know you are permanently locked into serving with Wagner until you die what do you have to lose?
Only an imbecile would draw conclusions about what is happening in Russia based on what Ukrainian officials say. And vise versa, about what is going on in Ukraine based on Russian propaganda. I don’t believe a single digit in this article.
Ah, there’s probably some truth to it – as there probably was to the claims the Ukes did the same thing back last February.
So you would then dispute the *fact* (stated in the article) that the Wagner group recruited convicts ? And would denying a fact openly acknowledged by the Russian leaders as well as Ukraine and Western media make you an “imbecile” ? Or something else ?
propaganda articles like this just make me assume the Russians are winning. I expect to see more of them
Yes. Reading this am reminded of the deliberately distorted images of our opponents in previous wars: the which have always been a staple of pro-war propagandists.
Those ridiculous WW2 images of Nazis torturing people were sooo off the mark.
Those ridiculous WW2 images of Nazis torturing people were sooo off the mark.
Indeed, Putin’s retreats from Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson and Kharkiv Oblast were all brilliant Russian ruses.
Just like Hitler’s drawing in of the allies to Berlin–to deal his knock-out punch.
And the sinking of the Moskva created a TOTAL blockade of all Ukrainian ports.
Genius…
Yes. Reading this am reminded of the deliberately distorted images of our opponents in previous wars: the which have always been a staple of pro-war propagandists.
Indeed, Putin’s retreats from Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson and Kharkiv Oblast were all brilliant Russian ruses.
Just like Hitler’s drawing in of the allies to Berlin–to deal his knock-out punch.
And the sinking of the Moskva created a TOTAL blockade of all Ukrainian ports.
Genius…
This is what Prigozhin says.
But you already knew that.
Ah, there’s probably some truth to it – as there probably was to the claims the Ukes did the same thing back last February.
So you would then dispute the *fact* (stated in the article) that the Wagner group recruited convicts ? And would denying a fact openly acknowledged by the Russian leaders as well as Ukraine and Western media make you an “imbecile” ? Or something else ?
propaganda articles like this just make me assume the Russians are winning. I expect to see more of them
This is what Prigozhin says.
But you already knew that.
Only an imbecile would draw conclusions about what is happening in Russia based on what Ukrainian officials say. And vise versa, about what is going on in Ukraine based on Russian propaganda. I don’t believe a single digit in this article.
No money for anyone guessing what a bunch of rapists and murderers would do once they took over a Ukrainian town.
As far as cold psychopathic leadership goes, it is, you have to admit, pretty brilliant:
1. Either the convict succeeds in battle and rapidly becomes the problem of the Ukranian population or
2. He dies and is one less expense for the Russian state.
Win-win, Dr Evil.
No money for anyone guessing what a bunch of rapists and murderers would do once they took over a Ukrainian town.
As far as cold psychopathic leadership goes, it is, you have to admit, pretty brilliant:
1. Either the convict succeeds in battle and rapidly becomes the problem of the Ukranian population or
2. He dies and is one less expense for the Russian state.
Win-win, Dr Evil.
The Dirty Dozen was a movie. IRL these men will have zero morale and cannot be used for anything other than cannon fodder.
And the Dirty Dozen were killing Germans, which Hollywood loves
And the Dirty Dozen were killing Germans, which Hollywood loves
The Dirty Dozen was a movie. IRL these men will have zero morale and cannot be used for anything other than cannon fodder.
“Yevgeny Prigozhin pictured alongside prisoners recruited into the Russian army.”
This caption is about as incorrect as it gets. They’re being recruited into the mercenary Wagner group, conceived from the ground up to be plausibly deniable by the Russian army.
“Yevgeny Prigozhin pictured alongside prisoners recruited into the Russian army.”
This caption is about as incorrect as it gets. They’re being recruited into the mercenary Wagner group, conceived from the ground up to be plausibly deniable by the Russian army.
This ngo says and that ngo says. Just propaganda
That’s what I thought. The article is cannon fodder too.
That’s what I thought. The article is cannon fodder too.
This ngo says and that ngo says. Just propaganda
Almost everyday you can read about some bu*t-munch of a Republican Congressperson whine about the money we are “wasting” on Ukraine. These are the people that mouse-farted over trillions being printed up to spend on nothing, and now carp about a few billion spent trying to help save a soverign nation from being engulfed by pure evil.
I also read on a so-called Christian satire site (Babylon Bee) jokes about the waste of money as its funneled into Ukraine’s corrupt infrastructure. That hurts even worse, because they’ve got a point.
My Ukrainian wife cries almost daily over news from the war. But, as I’ve told her, the thing that will really kill Ukraine is not the population loss, or the destruction of infrastructure, or even a loss of territory. The real dagger to the heart are the traitorous people in powerful positions whose love of personal enrichment trumps love of country.
Sadly, corruption is the greatest evil of Ukraine, a country whose vast majority want nothing more than the rule of law and accountable government. Regarding the war, America, as co-signatories to the Budapest Memorandum, could hardly have turned a blind eye this time. They failed spectacularly after the seizure of Crimea and the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner greatly encouraging Putin to go further.
Zelensky has just signed over 28% of the ukraines farmland to a USA agribusiness corporation. I hope he told the actual farmers.
Sadly, corruption is the greatest evil of Ukraine, a country whose vast majority want nothing more than the rule of law and accountable government. Regarding the war, America, as co-signatories to the Budapest Memorandum, could hardly have turned a blind eye this time. They failed spectacularly after the seizure of Crimea and the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner greatly encouraging Putin to go further.
Zelensky has just signed over 28% of the ukraines farmland to a USA agribusiness corporation. I hope he told the actual farmers.
Almost everyday you can read about some bu*t-munch of a Republican Congressperson whine about the money we are “wasting” on Ukraine. These are the people that mouse-farted over trillions being printed up to spend on nothing, and now carp about a few billion spent trying to help save a soverign nation from being engulfed by pure evil.
I also read on a so-called Christian satire site (Babylon Bee) jokes about the waste of money as its funneled into Ukraine’s corrupt infrastructure. That hurts even worse, because they’ve got a point.
My Ukrainian wife cries almost daily over news from the war. But, as I’ve told her, the thing that will really kill Ukraine is not the population loss, or the destruction of infrastructure, or even a loss of territory. The real dagger to the heart are the traitorous people in powerful positions whose love of personal enrichment trumps love of country.
You can tell a military assault is really going well when even the convicts start volunteering to help out.
You can tell a military assault is really going well when even the convicts start volunteering to help out.
A bit old news, since Prigozhin’s failure to capture Bakhmut led to Surovikhin’s demotion, and the army’s now total control over the battle space.
Still, if the army fails again this spring (can’t have significant operations before the end of rasputitsa in May), Prigozhin may be resurrected.
The Russian Govniks have antique tanks and weapons, infantry with zero morale–plus a petrified Moscow elite that demands that their city be protected at the expense of the front.
So Prigozhin may be just biding his time–just as Lenin did in 1917.
A bit old news, since Prigozhin’s failure to capture Bakhmut led to Surovikhin’s demotion, and the army’s now total control over the battle space.
Still, if the army fails again this spring (can’t have significant operations before the end of rasputitsa in May), Prigozhin may be resurrected.
The Russian Govniks have antique tanks and weapons, infantry with zero morale–plus a petrified Moscow elite that demands that their city be protected at the expense of the front.
So Prigozhin may be just biding his time–just as Lenin did in 1917.
Didn’t Hollywood many,many years ago make a movie on this very theme. It was called The Dirty Dozen and though I never seen it I gather the subtle slant of the film was that this was a “good idea”. There was a similar film Kellys Heroes,never saw that but it was similar theme? And those Dirty Harry movies etc ,renegade cop breaks all the rules but GETS RESULTS. Not a jail sentence ,lol. Seen none of these but Hollywood loves the idea of the renegade warriors ,they’re bad but fighhting for justice redeems them. The A team. And those Hellboy movies. Never seen them either but ain’t it that the demon heroic protagonist can inflict death and destruction but not be burnt by it. Hollywood loves these ideas,until someone else does it!