All of this pandering to Scottish views to safeguard the Union is a total nonsense (whether you believe in army reductions or not).
I suggest we should announce a referendum in Scotland today, also in Wales if necessary. The terms of separation can be announced at the same time – a hard border, no more pounds sterling, no more money from the coffers. Take it or leave it. If the answer is ‘yes’ just go; if the answer is ‘no’ the next referendum will be in year 2075.
The will allow the politicians to get on with government instead of wasting resources by constantly threatening a referendum.
On the other hand, the last thing many Scots want is for Sturgeon and Co. to stop blathering on about a referendum and attempt to run the country. Every time they do pass laws or successfully prosecute their policies makes life even more $h1t than it already was.
Decent article Henry but look back to the SDSR 2010 and Cameron’s unwillingness to cut the Scottish regiments back then. This is that decision coming home to roost.
Despite being woefully undermanned and rife with issues (including severe, by army standards, drug problems), most were saved where other well-manned and historic Welsh and English-recruited regiments got disbanded or amalgamated (2bn Royal Welsh, 2 RRF to name two)
It doesn’t matter whether the regiments were English, Welsh or Scottish – it’s that Cameron and his government chose the politically expedient option to try and keep the Scots sweet ahead of the referendum instead of binning the least effective and worst manned parts of the army.
This was painfully transparent to those serving at the time including those in Scottish regiments. It also caused huge resentment as soldiers either had to leave (perfectly functioning) regiments they had dedicated their lives to either by joining another or leave the army altogether.
To make this more clear to non-military people this would be a bit like asking Chelsea fans to support United or Liverpool after forcefully disbanding Chelsea for no good reason. Or I would almost go as far as saying changing religion in some cases.
So in short they had already made the wrong decision to try and appease the Scots, and to do so again against what is best for the army would be criminal, and will stoke further resentment in the army.
Last edited 2 years ago by A Spetzari
Ronnie B
2 years ago
I served a full career in a Scottish regiment. Leading up to the Scottish referendum most of the younger soldiers said they were pro-independence. When I asked if they would prefer to serve in a Scottish or British Army, they were adamant they wanted to stay in the British Army. The independence debate is not about logic.
Agreed, a nation is in spiritual decline when it lets its military go as that means it is not always ready to fight and die for its core principals. Basically it means it has no real core principals worth fighting for.
To me one of the finest qualities a Nation has is a military of fine young people who achieve excellence at arms because they gladly will be a solider for their country.
In modern Britain the Politicos would rather give the money to scroungers and migrants than to keep Great Britain – Great.
No MGBGA sentiment in the BBC watching sheep…and they are running Westminster.
The ever burgeoning Welfare State is sucking the life out of this Country. Even the Russians realise you can’t support a strong Military and a nannying state combined.
Michael Kellett
2 years ago
‘A far-sighted government would recognise that this social function is not, or should not be considered as, merely incidental to the Army’s proper purpose.’ Indeed! But if there is one thing this government isn’t, it’s far-sighted. Neither on this topic, nor on anything else.
Terence Fitch
2 years ago
Costs. Our budget of £68bn is the same as Russia’s. Russia spends less per capita than we do. The question is who are we going to fight? A big war against China in the South China Sea? We’d be completely bankrupt in a matter of weeks. We spend 2.2% of GDP. Germany spends 1.4%. Is Russia going to invade the West with tank armies? No. Russia itself would fall apart. Clearly warfare in the next decades is cyber or terrorist or biological and all about resources. The best form of defence spending is on more sufficiency on energy and food and bio/cyber security. Otherwise we’ll be ‘fighting the last war’ as the French did in 1940.
All of this pandering to Scottish views to safeguard the Union is a total nonsense (whether you believe in army reductions or not).
I suggest we should announce a referendum in Scotland today, also in Wales if necessary. The terms of separation can be announced at the same time – a hard border, no more pounds sterling, no more money from the coffers. Take it or leave it. If the answer is ‘yes’ just go; if the answer is ‘no’ the next referendum will be in year 2075.
The will allow the politicians to get on with government instead of wasting resources by constantly threatening a referendum.
I take your point.
On the other hand, the last thing many Scots want is for Sturgeon and Co. to stop blathering on about a referendum and attempt to run the country. Every time they do pass laws or successfully prosecute their policies makes life even more $h1t than it already was.
Absolutely!
Decent article Henry but look back to the SDSR 2010 and Cameron’s unwillingness to cut the Scottish regiments back then. This is that decision coming home to roost.
Despite being woefully undermanned and rife with issues (including severe, by army standards, drug problems), most were saved where other well-manned and historic Welsh and English-recruited regiments got disbanded or amalgamated (2bn Royal Welsh, 2 RRF to name two)
It doesn’t matter whether the regiments were English, Welsh or Scottish – it’s that Cameron and his government chose the politically expedient option to try and keep the Scots sweet ahead of the referendum instead of binning the least effective and worst manned parts of the army.
This was painfully transparent to those serving at the time including those in Scottish regiments. It also caused huge resentment as soldiers either had to leave (perfectly functioning) regiments they had dedicated their lives to either by joining another or leave the army altogether.
To make this more clear to non-military people this would be a bit like asking Chelsea fans to support United or Liverpool after forcefully disbanding Chelsea for no good reason. Or I would almost go as far as saying changing religion in some cases.
So in short they had already made the wrong decision to try and appease the Scots, and to do so again against what is best for the army would be criminal, and will stoke further resentment in the army.
I served a full career in a Scottish regiment. Leading up to the Scottish referendum most of the younger soldiers said they were pro-independence. When I asked if they would prefer to serve in a Scottish or British Army, they were adamant they wanted to stay in the British Army. The independence debate is not about logic.
It’s too depressing to even read this article
Yes
Agreed, a nation is in spiritual decline when it lets its military go as that means it is not always ready to fight and die for its core principals. Basically it means it has no real core principals worth fighting for.
To me one of the finest qualities a Nation has is a military of fine young people who achieve excellence at arms because they gladly will be a solider for their country.
In modern Britain the Politicos would rather give the money to scroungers and migrants than to keep Great Britain – Great.
No MGBGA sentiment in the BBC watching sheep…and they are running Westminster.
The ever burgeoning Welfare State is sucking the life out of this Country. Even the Russians realise you can’t support a strong Military and a nannying state combined.
‘A far-sighted government would recognise that this social function is not, or should not be considered as, merely incidental to the Army’s proper purpose.’
Indeed! But if there is one thing this government isn’t, it’s far-sighted. Neither on this topic, nor on anything else.
Costs. Our budget of £68bn is the same as Russia’s. Russia spends less per capita than we do. The question is who are we going to fight? A big war against China in the South China Sea? We’d be completely bankrupt in a matter of weeks. We spend 2.2% of GDP. Germany spends 1.4%. Is Russia going to invade the West with tank armies? No. Russia itself would fall apart. Clearly warfare in the next decades is cyber or terrorist or biological and all about resources. The best form of defence spending is on more sufficiency on energy and food and bio/cyber security. Otherwise we’ll be ‘fighting the last war’ as the French did in 1940.