This is not surprising. It has been obvious for some time that western leaders and their media spokespeople regard China not as an abomination, but as a model to emulate.
With regard to the MSM, they know that fewer and fewer people like, trust or believe them. As such, their business model is collapsing, although of course the BBC still has the hated license fee, and Big Pharma and the Military Industrial Complex continue to prop up CNN et al. But in the longer term they are all positioning themselves to be paid directly by the state, as per CBC in Canada, which is just Trudeau’s propaganda arm. And they won’t really care if the state that pays them is the UK state, the EU or the CCP. They will simply broadcast the lies and take the money. That is today’s MSM.
I quite like the licence fee as a way of funding public service broadcasting (and various internet-based services). It gives good value for money, in general, even though the government seem to have defanged much of the news coverage through threats of abolition. And it’s nice not to have ads interrupting programmes.
I think you said a while back that you had ditched your TV. Many people, millions, rely on the TV for their connection to the world. The BBC radio is just about the only one you can get which isn’t constantly interrupted by adverts. On the whole, a comparison with, say, newspapers, makes the licence fee good value for money if you are on a limited budget.
I barely watch TV and then only the football with no sound. My wife watches it about three hours a day and thinks that I am strange. Therefore, I am strange.
I ditched the TV over 20 years ago. I find it incomprehensible that anyone would have one when there are books to read and countless very interesting discussions and current affairs podcasts etc on YouTube/Gab/Bitchute et al, largely uninterrupted by ads.
western leaders… regard China not as an abomination, but as a model to emulate
You may have a point. Some members of the UK cabinet co-authored a book which in essence advocates that the UK move closer to the Chinese model of labour relations and workers’ rights. Britannia Unchained, by Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Chris Skidmore and Liz Truss.
Simon Denis
3 years ago
A good article, but one caveat: Soviet communism never moved anyone out of poverty. It swapped rural for urban destitution, whilst starving millions to death in the process. Tsarist Russia, by contrast, did reduce poverty, by means of privatising peasant land and breaking up the communes, which had been part of serfdom. When the Reds “collectivised” agriculture in the thirties, they restored serfdom, without the consolations of Orthodox Religion. And the tractor-drives of the post war period merely produced a deal of substandard hardware – the Soviets still had to import grain. By 1913, Nicholas II’s Russia was exporting grain, along with Siberian butter. It was the fourth largest economy in the world and the Rouble was the hardest of currencies. The acute failure and systemic democide of communism have been papered over by a series of malign or indolent myths and we should rip these away at every opportunity. As for the “Today” programme, many of us gave up listening at least five years ago. Indeed, you can gauge a person’s good sense by how long ago they excised the BBC from their lives. It is a Marxist organisation, dishonest, manipulative, parasitic and beneath contempt.
Well, if it means “the BBC” my understanding is clearly wrong. On the other hand, Simon may possibly have his own personal definition, divorced from historical reality.
Quite a few professors at my college claim to be Marxists. To them it means being a social justice advocate who believes contemporary society needs to be torn down and rebuilt in the name of equity i.e. unequal distribution of resources based on historical injustices, both real and imagined.
Maybe, but I think the BBC, like many other media platforms today, have come to be mouthpieces for these kind of people. False prophets, if you will.
William Murphy
3 years ago
After peddling COVID fear stories and statistics for a year, Communist propaganda must be second nature for the Beeb. Remember that George Orwell based 1984’s Ministry of Truth on his wartime experiences at the BBC.
Tim Gardener
3 years ago
I am teaching my children about “brain rot” and how to prevent it. To this end, the BBC presents many opportunities for lessons, little and often.
Live not by Lies
Paul N
3 years ago
The Today programme has not spoken truth to power for a long time.
Reminds me just slightly of how the Times uncritically reported government production forecasts figures in Orwell’s 1984, and then changed their archives so the forecasts matched the equally fictitious production figures when they came out.
Fred Bloggs
3 years ago
Watched Alison Morrow’s interview with a young Uyghur woman on YT and it is deeply viscerally shocking. If you want to understand the soul of the CCP go watch and think about it.
Alison Morrow is very good. I watch a lot of her videos.
David McKee
3 years ago
I suspect the explanation has more to do with apathy than bias. The journalists on the ‘Today’ team don’t care about rural China, and they think their listeners don’t either. Which is odd. Part of a journalist’s job, surely, is to be able to distinguish the profound from the trivial; and to convince the general public the story is important, timely and accurate.
The journalists on Today don’t even care about rural Britain, never mind rural China.
Richard Pinch
3 years ago
The claim, whether or not it’s true, refers to “extreme poverty”, defined by the World Bank as living on less than $1.90 a day.
By contrast, the definition of poverty in the UK is a household income less than 60% of the median, so it’s a relative measure, and indeed best seen as a measure of inequality rather than poverty as such. Incidentally, that poverty line is currently roughly £30 a day for single parent with two children.
Tom Fox
3 years ago
I’m no fan at all of the modern BBC. I have increasing difficulty being able to tolerate most of the output of Radio 4 for more than ten minutes. This is a contrast to my earlier life when I was a constant listener. Modern woke themes abound now and I hate it.
That said, taken in the round, there is FAR more criticism of China than praise, especially in terms of the treatment of its muslim population, and also the reneging on agreements over how Hong Kong would be run. In relation to the issue here, it is a matter of fact that however it has been achieved, China’s economic development has been carried on at rates unseen at any time in history, anywhere. It is an absolute fact that millions have been taken out of poverty possibly even hundreds of millions.
There is a cost to this of course, massive environmental damage, the usurpation of people’s property for development and quite possibly compulsion, but the compulsion is mostly the forcible prevention of people migrating from the poor rural areas to the huge, teaming metropolises where all the manufacturing jobs are.
This is not surprising. It has been obvious for some time that western leaders and their media spokespeople regard China not as an abomination, but as a model to emulate.
With regard to the MSM, they know that fewer and fewer people like, trust or believe them. As such, their business model is collapsing, although of course the BBC still has the hated license fee, and Big Pharma and the Military Industrial Complex continue to prop up CNN et al. But in the longer term they are all positioning themselves to be paid directly by the state, as per CBC in Canada, which is just Trudeau’s propaganda arm. And they won’t really care if the state that pays them is the UK state, the EU or the CCP. They will simply broadcast the lies and take the money. That is today’s MSM.
I quite like the licence fee as a way of funding public service broadcasting (and various internet-based services). It gives good value for money, in general, even though the government seem to have defanged much of the news coverage through threats of abolition. And it’s nice not to have ads interrupting programmes.
I think you said a while back that you had ditched your TV. Many people, millions, rely on the TV for their connection to the world. The BBC radio is just about the only one you can get which isn’t constantly interrupted by adverts. On the whole, a comparison with, say, newspapers, makes the licence fee good value for money if you are on a limited budget.
I barely watch TV and then only the football with no sound. My wife watches it about three hours a day and thinks that I am strange. Therefore, I am strange.
I ditched the TV over 20 years ago. I find it incomprehensible that anyone would have one when there are books to read and countless very interesting discussions and current affairs podcasts etc on YouTube/Gab/Bitchute et al, largely uninterrupted by ads.
You may have a point. Some members of the UK cabinet co-authored a book which in essence advocates that the UK move closer to the Chinese model of labour relations and workers’ rights. Britannia Unchained, by Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Chris Skidmore and Liz Truss.
A good article, but one caveat: Soviet communism never moved anyone out of poverty. It swapped rural for urban destitution, whilst starving millions to death in the process. Tsarist Russia, by contrast, did reduce poverty, by means of privatising peasant land and breaking up the communes, which had been part of serfdom. When the Reds “collectivised” agriculture in the thirties, they restored serfdom, without the consolations of Orthodox Religion. And the tractor-drives of the post war period merely produced a deal of substandard hardware – the Soviets still had to import grain. By 1913, Nicholas II’s Russia was exporting grain, along with Siberian butter. It was the fourth largest economy in the world and the Rouble was the hardest of currencies. The acute failure and systemic democide of communism have been papered over by a series of malign or indolent myths and we should rip these away at every opportunity. As for the “Today” programme, many of us gave up listening at least five years ago. Indeed, you can gauge a person’s good sense by how long ago they excised the BBC from their lives. It is a Marxist organisation, dishonest, manipulative, parasitic and beneath contempt.
Remind us again what “Marxist” means? (Beyond, naturally, “dishonest, manipulative, parasitic and beneath contempt”).
If you don’t know by now, what is the point of informing you?
Well, if it means “the BBC” my understanding is clearly wrong. On the other hand, Simon may possibly have his own personal definition, divorced from historical reality.
Quite a few professors at my college claim to be Marxists. To them it means being a social justice advocate who believes contemporary society needs to be torn down and rebuilt in the name of equity i.e. unequal distribution of resources based on historical injustices, both real and imagined.
Fair enough – but that’s not quite the same as the BBC.
Maybe, but I think the BBC, like many other media platforms today, have come to be mouthpieces for these kind of people. False prophets, if you will.
After peddling COVID fear stories and statistics for a year, Communist propaganda must be second nature for the Beeb. Remember that George Orwell based 1984’s Ministry of Truth on his wartime experiences at the BBC.
I am teaching my children about “brain rot” and how to prevent it. To this end, the BBC presents many opportunities for lessons, little and often.
Live not by Lies
The Today programme has not spoken truth to power for a long time.
Reminds me just slightly of how the Times uncritically reported government production forecasts figures in Orwell’s 1984, and then changed their archives so the forecasts matched the equally fictitious production figures when they came out.
Watched Alison Morrow’s interview with a young Uyghur woman on YT and it is deeply viscerally shocking. If you want to understand the soul of the CCP go watch and think about it.
Alison Morrow is very good. I watch a lot of her videos.
I suspect the explanation has more to do with apathy than bias. The journalists on the ‘Today’ team don’t care about rural China, and they think their listeners don’t either. Which is odd. Part of a journalist’s job, surely, is to be able to distinguish the profound from the trivial; and to convince the general public the story is important, timely and accurate.
The journalists on Today don’t even care about rural Britain, never mind rural China.
The claim, whether or not it’s true, refers to “extreme poverty”, defined by the World Bank as living on less than $1.90 a day.
By contrast, the definition of poverty in the UK is a household income less than 60% of the median, so it’s a relative measure, and indeed best seen as a measure of inequality rather than poverty as such. Incidentally, that poverty line is currently roughly £30 a day for single parent with two children.
I’m no fan at all of the modern BBC. I have increasing difficulty being able to tolerate most of the output of Radio 4 for more than ten minutes. This is a contrast to my earlier life when I was a constant listener. Modern woke themes abound now and I hate it.
That said, taken in the round, there is FAR more criticism of China than praise, especially in terms of the treatment of its muslim population, and also the reneging on agreements over how Hong Kong would be run. In relation to the issue here, it is a matter of fact that however it has been achieved, China’s economic development has been carried on at rates unseen at any time in history, anywhere. It is an absolute fact that millions have been taken out of poverty possibly even hundreds of millions.
There is a cost to this of course, massive environmental damage, the usurpation of people’s property for development and quite possibly compulsion, but the compulsion is mostly the forcible prevention of people migrating from the poor rural areas to the huge, teaming metropolises where all the manufacturing jobs are.
He who pays the piper……….