I warmed to Djokovic on seeing this video of The Federer Backhand Boys singing – me being a enormous Federer fan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1b9INDFYfI
I warmed to him more when he came out swinging in 2020 and held a tennis tournament – by that stage it was already known that the disease particularly targeted old and fat…erm overweight people. We knew where we were after all. He actually dared to live!
Now I love the man for transcending the difficulties in his life, for his enormous athletic ability and work ethic, for his sense of humour, his ability to shrug off the haters, his eccentricity, his principles and his charitable contributions.
I have also been impressed by the spirited push back from the Serbian people, so much so that I think 10 Serbians arriving on a rubber duck could overthrow the entire pusillanimous Australian nation. Disclaimer – I exclude the minority of Australians who show some defiance and backbone.
I so loved the old system whereby you could see who voted up and down. Would love to see the person who downvoted my comment that I corrected my typos.
The comments in the Speccie, run by Disqus, do allow for that. As a result there are very, very few downvotes! I never vote anyone down, I engage or ignore 🙂
I sometimes downvote if I disagree with an opinion but don’t have time to post a comment. I would be happy for the person to see my name.
Maybe I am being downvoted by Australians 🙂
Well put!
I don’t know the man. But like you said … I watched him in 2021 summer and I saw a resilience, like he was saying- hate me all you want, I am staying true to my principles. I was ambivalent before but I became a fan.
Novak’s fight with the timid, petrified Australians is very very important, to all of us, esp to us who saw how quickly the things went out of control in 2020. I hope he wins but even if he doesn’t, he has already won on many more important levels.
To see someone say, “hate me all you want, I am staying true to my principles”, and think it therefore makes that person a good human being, is to be in serious moral error.
Hitler and his close followers stayed true to their principles to the end. The problem is, their principles were satanic. Evil.
It is not principles per se that we need, but good principles!
And please! Do you think you could refrain from stupid, silly, cheap putdowns like “timid, petrified Australians”?
No one here is timid or petrified. That’s just a projection out onto other people of your own fears. An act of intellectual cowardice on your part.
People here have different opinions. Many have to do with differing ideology, left or right. Others relate to ethnic background. Some can be traced to religion. Many more just want a quiet life, so would troublemaking stirrers like you please piss off!
seem to me to be projecting their anger about own voluntary subjection (on the whole) to an over the top bio security state, onto Djokovic. He has had covid, poses no medical risk whatever to any Australian and complied with Victoria rules. He has been told one thing and then another for purely political reasons.
I like his style of tennis and his attitude to the sport. But this article, and the reaction of Serbians, reminds me of the extreme fascism that many Serbians follow. If you’re a big fan of minorities being massacred then I guess you can put a pin on that and laud Serbian nationalism.
Thankyou for injecting an element of realism into this deranged discussion.
The problem appears to be that those making such clever comments are entirely ignorant of the real horrors underlying Serbian nationalism.
I don’t like his attitude at all. He has a giant chip on his shoulder like many Serbs and he has no friends among his fellow tennis players. His petulance in demanding entry to the country hosting the championship hasn’t endeared him to most Australians, either.
Why just pick on just the Serbians? It’s a pretty common if horrific characteristic of many nationalisms in certain situations, including Croat, German, Turkish, Chinese, German (natch), US (the native Americans) and not least the Australians, whom you may recall carried out what I believe may be the only 100% complete genocide of the native Tasmanians, of whom none survive.
I warmed to Djokovic…Now I love the man…
Did you warm to Djokovic over ‘his meeting with a commander of the “Drina Wolves”, a unit that took part in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre’?
Do you think the Srebrenica massacre displayed an admirable Serbian “defiance and a backbone”? Do you just love the personalities of those who murdered defenceless teenage boys and grandfathers? Are you impressed by the characters of their fellow travellers? I wonder why you omitted to praise that aspect of Djokovic’s character.
Do you know anything of the black occult brotherhoods that have been fomenting ethnic trouble in the Balkans for centuries? …impressed by the spirited pushback from the SerbIan people … I think 10 Serbians arriving on a rubber duck could overthrow the entire pusillanimous Australian nation.
I repeat my question: do you admire the Serbian people’s ‘spirited pushback’ at Srebrenica?
Does it make you feel powerful and strong to create an imaginary 10 Serbians arriving on a boat and overthrowing the Australian nation?
Are you aware that we have communities of immigrant Serbians and Croats and Kosovans living here in Australia? Do you know the history of the postwar bombings in the city of Geelong, in the Australian state of Victoria, in the 1950s, when these communities of ex-Yugoslavians took to the streets to play out their imported ethnic hatreds and violence?
Well I do, Lesley van Reenen, because I personally lived through it all as a secondary school student. As the school day began, we kids used to have a daily check around to see who had bombed who the previous night, who had been hurt, what people feared would happen next, what the government was going to do about it, why our security agency ASIO was eagerly cracking down on leftwing troublemakers while seemingly allowing the rightwing terrorists a free go.
I would like you to try to understand, please, that your smart-Alec, ignorant, throwaway comments have a real impact on people’s lives. Try to read up on Australia’s history before launching your ill-informed opinionation onto these pages.
Would you care to refute Penelope’s points with some facts? It seems she has direct experience of Balkan rivalries among the communities in Australia, dating from her childhood.
David have you done the required reading on Australian history before posting? or did Penny give you a hall pass to post?
im not interested in self-appointed gate keepers.
Your quote, ending: “…why should Lesley have to pass a reading test first”. It concludes your admonition of Penelope’s post. You confected the term ‘gate keeping’ and you first indulged in it. But never mind your smokescreen, what about the historical background that Penelope described? You claimed she lacked knowledge so I’m interested in hearing why she is mistaken.
I’ve been accused of many things but I’ve never been called a confectioner before, I’ll take it as a complement, that i’m something sweet and moreish, rather than as intended.
Your welcome to white knight Penelope til your confection free heart is content, maybe she’ll gift you a napkin for your next tilt?
I have no interest in Penelope’s knowledge or anecdote as its actually known, but i do take exception when people use their “lived experience” as an excuse to call for others to shut up or to be excluded from a discussion.
Have a great day David, and go get yourself some confections.
So you evade the question by making silly comments on vocabulary? I can only assume that English isn’t your native language as otherwise you would know that the word ‘confect’ also means to make up or create and not just in a bakery. You can’t have your cake and eat it George, through juvenility. Answer the points Penelope raised.
I protest. Lack of knowledge always stops me from posting. I post on things I know something about. Or else I ask a question inviting others to fill me in.
I have no objection to informed criticism—I welcome it, but I do think that gratuitous, unfounded nastiness has a bad effect on discussion and the atmosphere in which it takes place. I feel it should be discouraged, and am critical of Unherd for not moderating more vigorously.
I don’t think a serious understanding of freedom of speech extends to allowing lies, insults, disinformation, propaganda, etc., free reign.
Fortunately, Penelope, this irksome individual is the exception rather than the rule on Unherd. I like this site for its quality articles and the intelligent, informed comments they usually generate. I don’t think that calling in the moderator is the best answer to irritants like this one as that can lead to censorship. Challenge his posts politely with logic and facts and let other readers decide.
Theoretically, you are probably right.
In practice, readers often do not have the time or facilities to read up on outrageous claims and untruthful statements to determine the facts for themselves. So if no one calls such claims into question—and this happens all the time on Unherd—they reign on.
Also, and this is not a minor factor, I find it can be so time-consuming and actually difficult to plough through the multitude of pointless and misleading comments to find those offering a basis for worthwhile further discussion, that I am put off and don’t bother. Thus, my careful contribution is lost. This has happened many times for me on Unherd.
While I agree with you that the quality of articles is generally good ranging to excellent, I cannot agree about the quality of reader comments. There is too much pile-on: seeing a red downtick and mindlessly adding your own. I experience this repeatedly. And they never take the time to comment themselves. So you don’t know why they downtick. Hence you cannot answer, nor can you address any specific points. I say, this is the mentality of the mindless mob, which wants to kill off discussion, and it is here that a role for better moderation presents.
When your reasonable voice wanting discussion on your comment is silenced by Unherd’s tick system, which kills you off with sheer weight of red-downtick numbers, I say, that is censorship. It is Unherd’s active, deliberate encouragement, via its tick system, of mindless denunciation. A polarisation toward conflict based in opinionation without reference to facts or information.
Otherwise, yes, there are some good comments and some worthwhile discussions. But are these drowned out by the mindless red-trickery?
All true but, in addition, there is probably a much simpler explanation. It is abundantly clear that over myocarditis (i.e. requiring hospitalization is a really rather common adverse reaction in young males between the ages of 15 and 50 with an incidence of something like 1 in 2000 if not a bit more (depending on the study). It is also clear that sub-clinical myocarditis may also be an issue (see below). On top of that we see a large number of soccer players collapsing on the field with cardiac conditions, something that would be an extreme rarity in the past over which a huge brouhaha would be made. Clearly something is going on. Djokovic is not stupid but very smart. He’s had Covid, adverse reactions to the vaccines are significantly worse for those who’ve already COVID, and most importantly the degree of protection afforded by prior infection is well over an order of magnitude greater and longer lasting than that afforded by any of the vaccines. So why would any sensible person in his position, at the top of his game physically, risk messing himself up and either suffering a severe adverse reaction, or simply play tennis under par.
As an aside, I have a close friend who is a very avid cyclist. He has a coach who gives him very structured workouts on the indoor trainer where he has to reach certain power levels for specific lengths of time. So a hard workout. For two weeks following both his 2nd shot and his booster shot he was unable to reach the pre-requisite power levels. He didn’t feel bad, he wasn’t out of breath in any way when going about his regular business or on light exertion, and he had no cardiac pain. Yet clearly his cardiac output was affected such that he was unable to reach his functional threshold for 10-20 min or reach O2 max levels for shorter intervals. After 2 weeks he was fine again. My gut tells me his cardiac ejection fraction was somewhat reduced (although still well in the normal range) – i.e. he basically experienced sub-clinical myocarditis.
Just as you say. The simple explanation really is that simple! Why would he take the risk? One longs for well circulated media to publish it. (Which is not to say this isn’t an insightful article; it is).
Johann, my neighbour in his 40s, slim, healthy (but I admit not particularly athletic) had pericarditis and two heart attacks after his vaccines. He is left with a condition whose name I cannot remember, except that it involves severe vertigo. That is besides any heart damage.
Hmmm, a troll is out today. Someone downvoted this comment. Now I was not posting an opinion (which you can freely downvote), I voted a fact. What is it you don’t like Troll? If you don’t like the fact that someone has had an adverse reaction to the vaccine, then you should upvote my comment.
That’s really bad and unfortunate. But the fact that you even know somebody who had a severe adverse reaction really indicates that it’s a far more common than one might suppose – i.e. really the tip of the iceberg.
I’ve heard it’s probably because the fitness of extreme sports people is on an edge. They keep a very fine balance of extreme fitness till the point it tips over and the ‘vaccines’ or something in the them can tip them over the edge. Probably their hearts are used to bring so efficient that the vaccines are reacting with their body conditioning.
Whatever it is , the one cure for all is daftest approach to health and well-being. This approach is not a triumph of medicine over pandemic, it’s incredibly backward & utter madness.
Andrea X
2 years ago
Thanks for this insightful article.
Michael Sweeney
2 years ago
As a regular watcher of “Pardon The Interruption” on ESPN, I look forward to Tony and Mike apologizing to Novak. Of course, they work for the evil empire of ESPN that has monetized EVERYTHING in sports, so they are obvious candidates for the world of One Network-One Vaccine for All.
When Novak is done with tennis, I hope he uses his Tennis base as a platform for achieving REAL greatness. Oh yea, he is funny too.
Satya Kanwarova
2 years ago
My heart will always be open to Novax.
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
2 years ago
“You are taught not to be open-minded…If you are not open-minded, then you can be easily manipulated. People at the top are very invested in making sure we do not question what we are told to believe. Whether it’s a communist ruler, or for many of us, the rules of the food and pharmaceutical industries, people at the top understand that most of us are led by fear.” Sound eminently sensible to me
Nicky Samengo-Turner
2 years ago
We have a lot to learn from the Serbs toughness, resilience and determination… they warned of Islamic extremist threats and terrorism long before we realised what would happen across the world- unfortunately their extreme and brutal reaction, so rightly condemned at the time, eroded the original warning.
Well put. They had a point but they lost the plot big time. I’ll never forget their shelling and sniping at defenceless Muslim civilians in Sarajevo.
will_crozier
2 years ago
That quote from “Serve to Win” is epic
David Bell
2 years ago
Good on him for all that but he demonstrates disdain for others and their equally valid right to contrary opinions, or in this case a nation’s immigration rules. Australia doesn’t want him in and he has no right to demand entry. As far as cultural sensitivity is concerned he’s as deaf as a doorpost.
In psychoanalytic terms, this is called projection, but thanks for your input.
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Bruno Lucy
2 years ago
Interesting read…..BUT…..Aussies, particularly in Victoria have had to endure the longest and most brutal police state lockdown on the planet.
A bit rich now to roll the red carpet out. I know I would be up in arms.
The interesting point is that the judge dismissed the case purely on technicalities on Australian Border Force c**k ups…….
Morrisson is in big trouble now…..whatever his government decides, it will be lose lose. Independence of justice is normally sacrosanct in democracies and although some think of Australia as a police state…..I will settle for a police state….democracy as Dan Andrews so elegantly showed. Suppose the immigration minister does nothing…..then the Kiwi neighbour, not at all all disinterested in the matter, will flog Morrisson. If they decide to expel him, lose lose again…..great champion…..etc bla bla bla ….all in Serbian with a bit of help from ESPN.
The guy lied about his travelling prior to flying to Oz…….for me that settles it. First class back to Belgrade.
I suspect the audience at the Open may have their say – and it’ll be more than words I expect.
Vijay Kant
2 years ago
The same “anti-authoritarian-feeling” argument also applies to the population of Middle Eastern dictatorships. These dictators have made sure that the suspicion of public towards them is redirected towards the West and everything western, including the ideas of democracy and human rights!
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Leigh Dixon
2 years ago
I am an Australian who’s views on vaccination are possibly similar to Novak Djokovic’s. However, we have avoided the rates of infections and the consequences thereof by being able to control our border entry.. This requires evidence of vaccination or, in its absence a valid medical exemption.
The question is: does the information he provided with his visa application support his claim to be granted a medical exemption?
There is no doubt that his treatment by immigration officials was poor and this was confirmed by the judge’s decision. However, there was no ruling in relation to his claim to have suffered and and recovered from the virus in the previous 6 months. That, as far as I know is still an open matter.
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Robin Bernstein
2 years ago
When he first came on the scene I started off really liking Djokovic. The more success he has had and the more I read about him the less I like him.
He has lied and deceived people to get his own way so he can play in Australia. What else has he done or lied about in his career? Makes me wonder.
Justin Clark
2 years ago
Novak Djokovic is about to become the first athlete to ever be banned from a competition for not taking drugs.
Penelope Lane
2 years ago
A clever article: it cites a number of apparently contradictory facts about Djokovic without coming to any moral conclusion about the man.
Rich avenues for further research, for those interested in facts, would be to look into the connection between ultra-conservative patriarchal religion, ultra-rightwing male-dominated politics, and ancient occult Balkan brotherhoods with a history of ethnic troublemaking.
The interesting thing about this nexus is that the religion part of it is not confined to one denomination. The same type of malefic, ethnicity-linked influence can be seen exerting its power as much behind Polish ultra-Catholicism as behind Balkan super-Catholicism, as much behind comfortably-established Balkan Orthodoxy as behind cast-in-concrete Balkan Islam.
The failure of the attempted imposition of decades of Communist ideology in a fruitless effort to overcome these ancient ethnic tribal hatreds is evidence that that approach is doomed to failure.
You cannot overlay deep, gut-based blood-and-soil convictions with abstract, brain-based ideologies and expect success.
Racist blood-and-soil instinctual feeling has to be exposed for what it is. Then perhaps it can be educated, enlarged, and grown gradually into something better.
if I were an Australian immigration official, I would want to be interrogating Djokovic about his Serbian nationalism, not just his novaxx stance.
Because one of the most terrifying aspects of our current state of play is that these same malefic influences are entering Australia via the back door on the back of American fundamentalist pentecostal cults. This is the new religious face they are adopting. The Australian PM is a devotee of one of the worst of these cults.
To understand Australia’s eventual decision on Djokovic’s visa, you will need to know that these malefic American influences are taking over the wellness movements, so that anti-vaxx is being made respectable and pseudo-mainstream. Care about your health? Oppose vaccines! And things along similar lines. So when malefic anti-vaxx meets malefic Serbian nationalism, know that this does indeed mean trouble. Djokovic is most definitely no sports innocent, dragged into stuff to which he has no relation.
rob monks
2 years ago
A good piece. Australian press especially Aust Guardian wrote one dimensional smears of the mam
I warmed to Djokovic on seeing this video of The Federer Backhand Boys singing – me being a enormous Federer fan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1b9INDFYfI
I warmed to him more when he came out swinging in 2020 and held a tennis tournament – by that stage it was already known that the disease particularly targeted old and fat…erm overweight people. We knew where we were after all. He actually dared to live!
Now I love the man for transcending the difficulties in his life, for his enormous athletic ability and work ethic, for his sense of humour, his ability to shrug off the haters, his eccentricity, his principles and his charitable contributions.
I have also been impressed by the spirited push back from the Serbian people, so much so that I think 10 Serbians arriving on a rubber duck could overthrow the entire pusillanimous Australian nation. Disclaimer – I exclude the minority of Australians who show some defiance and backbone.
Absolutely
I have corrected all my typos… oops!
I so loved the old system whereby you could see who voted up and down. Would love to see the person who downvoted my comment that I corrected my typos.
The comments in the Speccie, run by Disqus, do allow for that. As a result there are very, very few downvotes! I never vote anyone down, I engage or ignore 🙂
I sometimes downvote if I disagree with an opinion but don’t have time to post a comment. I would be happy for the person to see my name.
Maybe I am being downvoted by Australians 🙂
I upvoted you for your attention to punctuation and grammar. By the way, what’s your position on the Oxford comma? 🙂
I don’t use it!
I wondered that myself. I suspect it was a mis-hit.
Well put!
I don’t know the man. But like you said … I watched him in 2021 summer and I saw a resilience, like he was saying- hate me all you want, I am staying true to my principles. I was ambivalent before but I became a fan.
Novak’s fight with the timid, petrified Australians is very very important, to all of us, esp to us who saw how quickly the things went out of control in 2020. I hope he wins but even if he doesn’t, he has already won on many more important levels.
To see someone say, “hate me all you want, I am staying true to my principles”, and think it therefore makes that person a good human being, is to be in serious moral error.
Hitler and his close followers stayed true to their principles to the end. The problem is, their principles were satanic. Evil.
It is not principles per se that we need, but good principles!
And please! Do you think you could refrain from stupid, silly, cheap putdowns like “timid, petrified Australians”?
No one here is timid or petrified. That’s just a projection out onto other people of your own fears. An act of intellectual cowardice on your part.
People here have different opinions. Many have to do with differing ideology, left or right. Others relate to ethnic background. Some can be traced to religion. Many more just want a quiet life, so would troublemaking stirrers like you please piss off!
Fair enough
The Australians (Ok, that is a simplification…)
seem to me to be projecting their anger about own voluntary subjection (on the whole) to an over the top bio security state, onto Djokovic. He has had covid, poses no medical risk whatever to any Australian and complied with Victoria rules. He has been told one thing and then another for purely political reasons.
It’s their country and he should respect their rules, not just demand entry.
I like his style of tennis and his attitude to the sport. But this article, and the reaction of Serbians, reminds me of the extreme fascism that many Serbians follow. If you’re a big fan of minorities being massacred then I guess you can put a pin on that and laud Serbian nationalism.
Thankyou for injecting an element of realism into this deranged discussion.
The problem appears to be that those making such clever comments are entirely ignorant of the real horrors underlying Serbian nationalism.
I don’t like his attitude at all. He has a giant chip on his shoulder like many Serbs and he has no friends among his fellow tennis players. His petulance in demanding entry to the country hosting the championship hasn’t endeared him to most Australians, either.
Why just pick on just the Serbians? It’s a pretty common if horrific characteristic of many nationalisms in certain situations, including Croat, German, Turkish, Chinese, German (natch), US (the native Americans) and not least the Australians, whom you may recall carried out what I believe may be the only 100% complete genocide of the native Tasmanians, of whom none survive.
I warmed to Djokovic…Now I love the man…
Did you warm to Djokovic over ‘his meeting with a commander of the “Drina Wolves”, a unit that took part in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre’?
Do you think the Srebrenica massacre displayed an admirable Serbian “defiance and a backbone”? Do you just love the personalities of those who murdered defenceless teenage boys and grandfathers? Are you impressed by the characters of their fellow travellers?
I wonder why you omitted to praise that aspect of Djokovic’s character.
Do you know anything of the black occult brotherhoods that have been fomenting ethnic trouble in the Balkans for centuries?
…impressed by the spirited pushback from the SerbIan people … I think 10 Serbians arriving on a rubber duck could overthrow the entire pusillanimous Australian nation.
I repeat my question: do you admire the Serbian people’s ‘spirited pushback’ at Srebrenica?
Does it make you feel powerful and strong to create an imaginary 10 Serbians arriving on a boat and overthrowing the Australian nation?
Are you aware that we have communities of immigrant Serbians and Croats and Kosovans living here in Australia? Do you know the history of the postwar bombings in the city of Geelong, in the Australian state of Victoria, in the 1950s, when these communities of ex-Yugoslavians took to the streets to play out their imported ethnic hatreds and violence?
Well I do, Lesley van Reenen, because I personally lived through it all as a secondary school student. As the school day began, we kids used to have a daily check around to see who had bombed who the previous night, who had been hurt, what people feared would happen next, what the government was going to do about it, why our security agency ASIO was eagerly cracking down on leftwing troublemakers while seemingly allowing the rightwing terrorists a free go.
I would like you to try to understand, please, that your smart-Alec, ignorant, throwaway comments have a real impact on people’s lives. Try to read up on Australia’s history before launching your ill-informed opinionation onto these pages.
lack of knowledge never stops you from posting so why should Lesley have to pass a reading test first?
Would you care to refute Penelope’s points with some facts? It seems she has direct experience of Balkan rivalries among the communities in Australia, dating from her childhood.
David have you done the required reading on Australian history before posting? or did Penny give you a hall pass to post?
im not interested in self-appointed gate keepers.
Except when you are gate-keeping for Lesley, of course.
David your obviously too clever for me, ignoramus that i am, you’ll have to direct me to what i have done that is gate keeping?
Your quote, ending: “…why should Lesley have to pass a reading test first”. It concludes your admonition of Penelope’s post. You confected the term ‘gate keeping’ and you first indulged in it. But never mind your smokescreen, what about the historical background that Penelope described? You claimed she lacked knowledge so I’m interested in hearing why she is mistaken.
Me to !
I’ve been accused of many things but I’ve never been called a confectioner before, I’ll take it as a complement, that i’m something sweet and moreish, rather than as intended.
Your welcome to white knight Penelope til your confection free heart is content, maybe she’ll gift you a napkin for your next tilt?
I have no interest in Penelope’s knowledge or anecdote as its actually known, but i do take exception when people use their “lived experience” as an excuse to call for others to shut up or to be excluded from a discussion.
Have a great day David, and go get yourself some confections.
So you evade the question by making silly comments on vocabulary? I can only assume that English isn’t your native language as otherwise you would know that the word ‘confect’ also means to make up or create and not just in a bakery. You can’t have your cake and eat it George, through juvenility. Answer the points Penelope raised.
I protest. Lack of knowledge always stops me from posting. I post on things I know something about. Or else I ask a question inviting others to fill me in.
I have no objection to informed criticism—I welcome it, but I do think that gratuitous, unfounded nastiness has a bad effect on discussion and the atmosphere in which it takes place. I feel it should be discouraged, and am critical of Unherd for not moderating more vigorously.
I don’t think a serious understanding of freedom of speech extends to allowing lies, insults, disinformation, propaganda, etc., free reign.
Fortunately, Penelope, this irksome individual is the exception rather than the rule on Unherd. I like this site for its quality articles and the intelligent, informed comments they usually generate. I don’t think that calling in the moderator is the best answer to irritants like this one as that can lead to censorship. Challenge his posts politely with logic and facts and let other readers decide.
Theoretically, you are probably right.
In practice, readers often do not have the time or facilities to read up on outrageous claims and untruthful statements to determine the facts for themselves. So if no one calls such claims into question—and this happens all the time on Unherd—they reign on.
Also, and this is not a minor factor, I find it can be so time-consuming and actually difficult to plough through the multitude of pointless and misleading comments to find those offering a basis for worthwhile further discussion, that I am put off and don’t bother. Thus, my careful contribution is lost. This has happened many times for me on Unherd.
While I agree with you that the quality of articles is generally good ranging to excellent, I cannot agree about the quality of reader comments. There is too much pile-on: seeing a red downtick and mindlessly adding your own. I experience this repeatedly. And they never take the time to comment themselves. So you don’t know why they downtick. Hence you cannot answer, nor can you address any specific points. I say, this is the mentality of the mindless mob, which wants to kill off discussion, and it is here that a role for better moderation presents.
When your reasonable voice wanting discussion on your comment is silenced by Unherd’s tick system, which kills you off with sheer weight of red-downtick numbers, I say, that is censorship. It is Unherd’s active, deliberate encouragement, via its tick system, of mindless denunciation. A polarisation toward conflict based in opinionation without reference to facts or information.
Otherwise, yes, there are some good comments and some worthwhile discussions. But are these drowned out by the mindless red-trickery?
Well said! I agree entirely. In fact, people should stick to one or two main points, and only one or two links to evidence, or quotes
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All true but, in addition, there is probably a much simpler explanation. It is abundantly clear that over myocarditis (i.e. requiring hospitalization is a really rather common adverse reaction in young males between the ages of 15 and 50 with an incidence of something like 1 in 2000 if not a bit more (depending on the study). It is also clear that sub-clinical myocarditis may also be an issue (see below). On top of that we see a large number of soccer players collapsing on the field with cardiac conditions, something that would be an extreme rarity in the past over which a huge brouhaha would be made. Clearly something is going on. Djokovic is not stupid but very smart. He’s had Covid, adverse reactions to the vaccines are significantly worse for those who’ve already COVID, and most importantly the degree of protection afforded by prior infection is well over an order of magnitude greater and longer lasting than that afforded by any of the vaccines. So why would any sensible person in his position, at the top of his game physically, risk messing himself up and either suffering a severe adverse reaction, or simply play tennis under par.
As an aside, I have a close friend who is a very avid cyclist. He has a coach who gives him very structured workouts on the indoor trainer where he has to reach certain power levels for specific lengths of time. So a hard workout. For two weeks following both his 2nd shot and his booster shot he was unable to reach the pre-requisite power levels. He didn’t feel bad, he wasn’t out of breath in any way when going about his regular business or on light exertion, and he had no cardiac pain. Yet clearly his cardiac output was affected such that he was unable to reach his functional threshold for 10-20 min or reach O2 max levels for shorter intervals. After 2 weeks he was fine again. My gut tells me his cardiac ejection fraction was somewhat reduced (although still well in the normal range) – i.e. he basically experienced sub-clinical myocarditis.
Just as you say. The simple explanation really is that simple! Why would he take the risk? One longs for well circulated media to publish it. (Which is not to say this isn’t an insightful article; it is).
Johann, my neighbour in his 40s, slim, healthy (but I admit not particularly athletic) had pericarditis and two heart attacks after his vaccines. He is left with a condition whose name I cannot remember, except that it involves severe vertigo. That is besides any heart damage.
Hmmm, a troll is out today. Someone downvoted this comment. Now I was not posting an opinion (which you can freely downvote), I voted a fact. What is it you don’t like Troll? If you don’t like the fact that someone has had an adverse reaction to the vaccine, then you should upvote my comment.
That’s really bad and unfortunate. But the fact that you even know somebody who had a severe adverse reaction really indicates that it’s a far more common than one might suppose – i.e. really the tip of the iceberg.
I’ve heard it’s probably because the fitness of extreme sports people is on an edge. They keep a very fine balance of extreme fitness till the point it tips over and the ‘vaccines’ or something in the them can tip them over the edge. Probably their hearts are used to bring so efficient that the vaccines are reacting with their body conditioning.
Whatever it is , the one cure for all is daftest approach to health and well-being. This approach is not a triumph of medicine over pandemic, it’s incredibly backward & utter madness.
Thanks for this insightful article.
As a regular watcher of “Pardon The Interruption” on ESPN, I look forward to Tony and Mike apologizing to Novak. Of course, they work for the evil empire of ESPN that has monetized EVERYTHING in sports, so they are obvious candidates for the world of One Network-One Vaccine for All.
When Novak is done with tennis, I hope he uses his Tennis base as a platform for achieving REAL greatness. Oh yea, he is funny too.
My heart will always be open to Novax.
“You are taught not to be open-minded…If you are not open-minded, then you can be easily manipulated. People at the top are very invested in making sure we do not question what we are told to believe. Whether it’s a communist ruler, or for many of us, the rules of the food and pharmaceutical industries, people at the top understand that most of us are led by fear.”
Sound eminently sensible to me
We have a lot to learn from the Serbs toughness, resilience and determination… they warned of Islamic extremist threats and terrorism long before we realised what would happen across the world- unfortunately their extreme and brutal reaction, so rightly condemned at the time, eroded the original warning.
Well put. They had a point but they lost the plot big time. I’ll never forget their shelling and sniping at defenceless Muslim civilians in Sarajevo.
That quote from “Serve to Win” is epic
Good on him for all that but he demonstrates disdain for others and their equally valid right to contrary opinions, or in this case a nation’s immigration rules. Australia doesn’t want him in and he has no right to demand entry. As far as cultural sensitivity is concerned he’s as deaf as a doorpost.
In psychoanalytic terms, this is called projection, but thanks for your input.
Interesting read…..BUT…..Aussies, particularly in Victoria have had to endure the longest and most brutal police state lockdown on the planet.
A bit rich now to roll the red carpet out. I know I would be up in arms.
The interesting point is that the judge dismissed the case purely on technicalities on Australian Border Force c**k ups…….
Morrisson is in big trouble now…..whatever his government decides, it will be lose lose. Independence of justice is normally sacrosanct in democracies and although some think of Australia as a police state…..I will settle for a police state….democracy as Dan Andrews so elegantly showed. Suppose the immigration minister does nothing…..then the Kiwi neighbour, not at all all disinterested in the matter, will flog Morrisson. If they decide to expel him, lose lose again…..great champion…..etc bla bla bla ….all in Serbian with a bit of help from ESPN.
The guy lied about his travelling prior to flying to Oz…….for me that settles it. First class back to Belgrade.
I suspect the audience at the Open may have their say – and it’ll be more than words I expect.
The same “anti-authoritarian-feeling” argument also applies to the population of Middle Eastern dictatorships. These dictators have made sure that the suspicion of public towards them is redirected towards the West and everything western, including the ideas of democracy and human rights!
I am an Australian who’s views on vaccination are possibly similar to Novak Djokovic’s. However, we have avoided the rates of infections and the consequences thereof by being able to control our border entry.. This requires evidence of vaccination or, in its absence a valid medical exemption.
The question is: does the information he provided with his visa application support his claim to be granted a medical exemption?
There is no doubt that his treatment by immigration officials was poor and this was confirmed by the judge’s decision. However, there was no ruling in relation to his claim to have suffered and and recovered from the virus in the previous 6 months. That, as far as I know is still an open matter.
When he first came on the scene I started off really liking Djokovic. The more success he has had and the more I read about him the less I like him.
He has lied and deceived people to get his own way so he can play in Australia. What else has he done or lied about in his career? Makes me wonder.
Novak Djokovic is about to become the first athlete to ever be banned from a competition for not taking drugs.
A clever article: it cites a number of apparently contradictory facts about Djokovic without coming to any moral conclusion about the man.
Rich avenues for further research, for those interested in facts, would be to look into the connection between ultra-conservative patriarchal religion, ultra-rightwing male-dominated politics, and ancient occult Balkan brotherhoods with a history of ethnic troublemaking.
The interesting thing about this nexus is that the religion part of it is not confined to one denomination. The same type of malefic, ethnicity-linked influence can be seen exerting its power as much behind Polish ultra-Catholicism as behind Balkan super-Catholicism, as much behind comfortably-established Balkan Orthodoxy as behind cast-in-concrete Balkan Islam.
The failure of the attempted imposition of decades of Communist ideology in a fruitless effort to overcome these ancient ethnic tribal hatreds is evidence that that approach is doomed to failure.
You cannot overlay deep, gut-based blood-and-soil convictions with abstract, brain-based ideologies and expect success.
Racist blood-and-soil instinctual feeling has to be exposed for what it is. Then perhaps it can be educated, enlarged, and grown gradually into something better.
if I were an Australian immigration official, I would want to be interrogating Djokovic about his Serbian nationalism, not just his novaxx stance.
Because one of the most terrifying aspects of our current state of play is that these same malefic influences are entering Australia via the back door on the back of American fundamentalist pentecostal cults. This is the new religious face they are adopting. The Australian PM is a devotee of one of the worst of these cults.
To understand Australia’s eventual decision on Djokovic’s visa, you will need to know that these malefic American influences are taking over the wellness movements, so that anti-vaxx is being made respectable and pseudo-mainstream. Care about your health? Oppose vaccines! And things along similar lines. So when malefic anti-vaxx meets malefic Serbian nationalism, know that this does indeed mean trouble. Djokovic is most definitely no sports innocent, dragged into stuff to which he has no relation.
A good piece. Australian press especially Aust Guardian wrote one dimensional smears of the mam