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Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
10 months ago

No it won’t. But it will endanger the world. We live in fragile times fuelled by hubris and ignorance.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
10 months ago

No it won’t. But it will endanger the world. We live in fragile times fuelled by hubris and ignorance.

D Walsh
D Walsh
10 months ago

When the war ends, I bet one of the Russian terms imposed on whats left of the Ukraine, is that they agree to never join NATO and limit the size of their army

This war has been a total disaster for the Ukraine, the sooner it ends the better

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

The war won’t end until dopey Joe is out of the White House.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

What’s “left” o Ukraine is about 90%–and expanding.
And wait till the cluster bombs have their effect.
BTW, it’s “Ukraine,” not “the Ukraine.”
Only ignorant Russians still say that. That’s why they fall from Thai temples, and get eaten by sharks.

Last edited 10 months ago by martin logan
Kat L
Kat L
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Ukraine=borderland. The borderland,

Kat L
Kat L
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Ukraine=borderland. The borderland,

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

The war won’t end until dopey Joe is out of the White House.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago
Reply to  D Walsh

What’s “left” o Ukraine is about 90%–and expanding.
And wait till the cluster bombs have their effect.
BTW, it’s “Ukraine,” not “the Ukraine.”
Only ignorant Russians still say that. That’s why they fall from Thai temples, and get eaten by sharks.

Last edited 10 months ago by martin logan
D Walsh
D Walsh
10 months ago

When the war ends, I bet one of the Russian terms imposed on whats left of the Ukraine, is that they agree to never join NATO and limit the size of their army

This war has been a total disaster for the Ukraine, the sooner it ends the better

John Dellingby
John Dellingby
10 months ago

I believe there’s a clause where NATO can’t accept new members if the applicant state has border disputes with another state? If so, that kicks Ukraine’s application into the long grass until the war is over (assuming a treaty is signed). The best Ukraine will have to do is win back the territory Russia seized from 2014 onwards. However, that may not happen at all as the Russian military seems to have finally remembered what strategy and tactics are, going from Ukraine’s slow progress during its offensive.

Steve White
Steve White
10 months ago
Reply to  John Dellingby

This is about hurting Russia as much as possible. This is about making sure that Russia and by extension China is never in close partnership with any European nation. This is the antidote for the Belt and Road initiative extending into Europe.

Last edited 10 months ago by Steve White
Paul Curtin
Paul Curtin
10 months ago
Reply to  John Dellingby

With Ursula Von broomstick to probably be parachuted in as head of NATO next year the whole scenario is doomed.
The most incompetent politician in a generation at the helm – I wouldn’t want to be a Ukrainian in a uniform in 2024. Sleepy Joes follow up to the Afghan disaster awaits with Ursula at the podium. God knows where we will be then.

Last edited 10 months ago by Paul Curtin
Steve White
Steve White
10 months ago
Reply to  John Dellingby

This is about hurting Russia as much as possible. This is about making sure that Russia and by extension China is never in close partnership with any European nation. This is the antidote for the Belt and Road initiative extending into Europe.

Last edited 10 months ago by Steve White
Paul Curtin
Paul Curtin
10 months ago
Reply to  John Dellingby

With Ursula Von broomstick to probably be parachuted in as head of NATO next year the whole scenario is doomed.
The most incompetent politician in a generation at the helm – I wouldn’t want to be a Ukrainian in a uniform in 2024. Sleepy Joes follow up to the Afghan disaster awaits with Ursula at the podium. God knows where we will be then.

Last edited 10 months ago by Paul Curtin
John Dellingby
John Dellingby
10 months ago

I believe there’s a clause where NATO can’t accept new members if the applicant state has border disputes with another state? If so, that kicks Ukraine’s application into the long grass until the war is over (assuming a treaty is signed). The best Ukraine will have to do is win back the territory Russia seized from 2014 onwards. However, that may not happen at all as the Russian military seems to have finally remembered what strategy and tactics are, going from Ukraine’s slow progress during its offensive.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth…
Ukraine has solved the ammo shortage.
–The number of US cluster munitions is vast.
–Rheinmetall is producing huge quantities of 155 mm shells, enough for all of Ukraine’s needs.
So Putin’s “mobiks” will be under far worse artillery fire than Ukrainians have ever experienced. Moreover, there are still literally thousands of tanks held by NATO countries in storage.
If we do this right, we can eliminate a whole generation of Russian males, fundamentally changing the ethnic character of Russia for good. Central Asians will then migrate in to fill the gaps.
This will–finally–transform Russia into a still corrupt, but largely peaceful, Central Asian state.
The end of an 800-year nightmare…

Kat L
Kat L
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Genocide. You’re pushing genocide.

Kat L
Kat L
10 months ago
Reply to  martin logan

Genocide. You’re pushing genocide.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth…
Ukraine has solved the ammo shortage.
–The number of US cluster munitions is vast.
–Rheinmetall is producing huge quantities of 155 mm shells, enough for all of Ukraine’s needs.
So Putin’s “mobiks” will be under far worse artillery fire than Ukrainians have ever experienced. Moreover, there are still literally thousands of tanks held by NATO countries in storage.
If we do this right, we can eliminate a whole generation of Russian males, fundamentally changing the ethnic character of Russia for good. Central Asians will then migrate in to fill the gaps.
This will–finally–transform Russia into a still corrupt, but largely peaceful, Central Asian state.
The end of an 800-year nightmare…

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

A specimen of pure delusion:
“The prerequisite for preventing renewed aggression must, ipso facto, be a negotiated peace to end the current fighting.”
A negotiated settlement in the context of anything less than a decisive Russian defeat will never end this conflict.
The author, like many “Realists,” seems totally ignorant of the basis of Putin’s power. He is not an 18th C. absolute monarch.
Putin, like Trump, must always be seen as a “winner.” And as long as he is in power (or even his close cronies), he can never accept a final settlement.
If Putin had ended the conflict in Donbas at anytime since 2014, he would rightly have been accused of expending vast amounts of Russian resources for negative gains.
So even if Putin kept all of his present conquests, a peace deal would expose the hollowness of his victory. The long term effects of a crippled Russian economy, and the loss of 250-500,000 Russian casualties would eventually force him out of office–and very possibly out of the world of the living.
To come to a final solution to end this war thus means the Final Solution for Putin.
Clueless “Realists” haven’t a clue about how and why Putin stays in power.
And rather obviously, are too lazy to learn.

martin logan
martin logan
10 months ago

A specimen of pure delusion:
“The prerequisite for preventing renewed aggression must, ipso facto, be a negotiated peace to end the current fighting.”
A negotiated settlement in the context of anything less than a decisive Russian defeat will never end this conflict.
The author, like many “Realists,” seems totally ignorant of the basis of Putin’s power. He is not an 18th C. absolute monarch.
Putin, like Trump, must always be seen as a “winner.” And as long as he is in power (or even his close cronies), he can never accept a final settlement.
If Putin had ended the conflict in Donbas at anytime since 2014, he would rightly have been accused of expending vast amounts of Russian resources for negative gains.
So even if Putin kept all of his present conquests, a peace deal would expose the hollowness of his victory. The long term effects of a crippled Russian economy, and the loss of 250-500,000 Russian casualties would eventually force him out of office–and very possibly out of the world of the living.
To come to a final solution to end this war thus means the Final Solution for Putin.
Clueless “Realists” haven’t a clue about how and why Putin stays in power.
And rather obviously, are too lazy to learn.