It’s worse in United States. People live off the news here which drip-feeds pure hatred and vitriol into the veins of its readers and listeners. Any news source that permits you to hate and look down on others is suspect – full stop. Unfortunately, America’s hatred is turned on itself with many young people being taught they are either weak ineffectual victims who need to be advocated for, or they are bullying dim-witted oppressors that have no right to a voice. The end result is that the media pontificates to the masses in a pious, moralizing and scolding manner – basically telling people to fall into line or else. Those who obey are considered ‘good’, those who disobey are ‘right-wing’ extremists who deserve to be silenced. Western nations, particularly those in the Anglosphere, are transforming into Rainbow Police states, where everyone must be tolerant of and compassionate to people and ideas they don’t like or risk being condemned to social ostracism in the form of lost reputation and/or livelihood. This is the worst aspect of collective thinking and will lead to terrors unimaginable if we don’t put a stop to it now.
People live off the news here which drip-feeds pure hatred and vitriol into the veins of its readers and listeners. Any news source that permits you to hate and look down on others is suspect – full stop.
That sounds very true. Just in the interest of balance: are there any right-wing news feeds that do the same thing, or is it all on the left?
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Bolshevik Revolution, Mao and his long March, N* z i gaining power, Communists in Spain and Greece, Pol Pot, Venezuela and Cuba, Caesar building his fallowing to become Emperor, The French Revolution, Cromwell… These all had movements secretly working behind the scenes to build power and get the citizenry to be acquiescent. They plotted, they got people into positions of power, they fomented anger. Just a few of them were able to do these things. To get the movement – which almost always leads to horrors for the normal people, and not their benefit as they are made to think, rolling.
In the West I hear the number of 2% who are the active Marxist/Left/Liberals who have taken over the entire education system, the MSM, the government, Social Media, Justice system, and every manner of power. The ones with a plan, and goal, of destroying the West. Soros has paid for the election campaigns of every DA and Prosecutor in USA who will destroy the Justice system from inside – one example.
To say that is a mere conspiracy theory denies all the revolutions in the past – none arize organically from nothing, they are created, and led and formented by a small cadre who use ‘Entryism’ to gain disproportional power, and use of ‘Useful Idiots’ to take full control of their organization.
If the Marxist/Liberals did not own Biden the USA’s NSA needs to find out who these traitors are, who may yet destroy all that is good in the West, and stop their wicked movement, but instead they have been brought on board, as have the top military, and every other gov branch.
A lot of us chose Cromwell of our own free will. Compared to Charles he was the marginally better option. Then, we chose Charles son for the same reason. I would object to him being lumped in with the rest.
Quite a revolutionary though. He closed down Parliament, invaded Ireland and massacred thousands of priests ( see Napoleon, Bolsheviks, Spanish left), ensured the commanding heights of the institutions were filled with his sympathisers. What do you like, exactly?
I appreciate that Cromwell was responsible for a major step against absolutism here. In my view the balance between monarch and parliament was forever shifted in parliaments favour. I appreciate the view from Ireland may be a lot less rosy though.
It requires great audacity on the part of the “Left” to scorn the Right as conspiracy theorists. How else can the belief that Trump colluded with Putin be described other than as a conspiracy theory?
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Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago
Which are the main centrist news outlets? I’m sure I don’t know many.
What a disappointment outlets like the NYT and Washington Post have become…. I used to follow them and they have become ludicrous.
Maybe the Times, or Telegraph even, or the Financial Times, but they all have paywalls, so I do not read them. I just paid to get on here as I needed somewhere to rant at the world from, and this one had not banned me before the paywall, which was unusual. I do not do social media, and writing things is fun to me, writing is as easy for me as speaking my opinions, so Unherd seems the only centrist MSM I can think of….
At the Telegraph site one can read it all by opening the Google Chrome dev console. And then one just has to look at the underlying HTML source, which can even be seen rendered like it would be in a browser by the preview tab. Presumably the people working there are too stupid to pull in the rest of the content through an AJAX call to prevent this easy work around.
The New York Times is a fantasy read…after 40 years we just stopped subscribing: ditto The New Yorker, Wash Post..
aaron david
2 years ago
A couple of things. 1. it’s just Tablet magazine, not The Tablet. 2. I always hear about “owning the libs” but I am not in the least bit sure what this means, nor have I ever seen examples of this. Indeed, if they are “owning the libs” then it is because the libs in question are selling themselves so cheap.
But my main point is, of course Trump wasn’t the cause of this, he is a reaction to it. A trial balloon of sorts, if you will. Proof of concept. By that I mean what Trump did was show that you can push back against the left, but that it takes getting out of the ring, so to speak, and not being Democrat lite, but actually supporting conservative ideas forcefully. And much of the language that drove the left so batty that he used simply showed, right or wrong, that he would not be bound by the left’s rules of what is and is not acceptable, that he would not allow them to decide the terms and conditions of political battle. And now we are starting to see the result of that in DeSantis’ rise, JD Vance in Ohio, and so on.
I am not a conservative by any means, but I want options about what is best in life, and with two viable options, if not more, life is better, and that also drives the left nuts.
Ian Cooper
2 years ago
To help rewrite the dictionary, isn’t time the left were referred to as trash liberals, not because they are personally trashy but because what they stand for is trashing the culture – especially in the universities, the family- broken and the country – turning cohesive England into atomised and evermore Multiracialland?
William Hickey
2 years ago
Ed West’s point about the dominance of progressivism in language is best seen not by how often conservatives use arguments like DR3, but by how conservatives attack and dismiss any position TO THEIR RIGHT.
Example: No conservative talk radio host ever has anybody on as a guest who is more right-wing than they are. Conservative hosts will frequently boast about how they are willing to engage with leftists and have progressives on their programs to prove it. But when was the last time an open white nationalist or white advocate appeared on your favorite conservative program?
There are two major problems with this intimidation of conservative pundits. First, by refusing to allow anyone on their right to exist in common discourse the center-right conservatives make their own position the extreme — “far-right.”
Second, such willful blindness cuts off too many conservatives from their own ideological “fringes” where, as we have seen with the Left for decades and recently with the rise of Trumpism, the future is aborning.
Michael James
2 years ago
I fear the West will lose the freedom of the individual because it’s too hard psychologically to sustain. When everyone demands that everyone else views them as a ‘good person’, tolerating views you don’t like comes to seem like acquiescing to them, which must at all costs be shown not to be the case.
Last edited 2 years ago by Michael James
Brendan O'Leary
2 years ago
Of course the mad progressive overreach came before Trump.
Trump, as aaron david has noted below, was a reaction to it.
Ferrusian Gambit
2 years ago
I mean I noticed this in 2009, at the very least. I guess journalists tend to be a bit slow.
I noticed this in 2000, when a manuscript I wrote about women knitting for the military during the two world wars was unacceptable because I did not describe these women as ‘victims’ even though most gladly knitted for the troops voluntarily.
It’s worse in United States. People live off the news here which drip-feeds pure hatred and vitriol into the veins of its readers and listeners. Any news source that permits you to hate and look down on others is suspect – full stop. Unfortunately, America’s hatred is turned on itself with many young people being taught they are either weak ineffectual victims who need to be advocated for, or they are bullying dim-witted oppressors that have no right to a voice. The end result is that the media pontificates to the masses in a pious, moralizing and scolding manner – basically telling people to fall into line or else. Those who obey are considered ‘good’, those who disobey are ‘right-wing’ extremists who deserve to be silenced. Western nations, particularly those in the Anglosphere, are transforming into Rainbow Police states, where everyone must be tolerant of and compassionate to people and ideas they don’t like or risk being condemned to social ostracism in the form of lost reputation and/or livelihood. This is the worst aspect of collective thinking and will lead to terrors unimaginable if we don’t put a stop to it now.
That sounds very true. Just in the interest of balance: are there any right-wing news feeds that do the same thing, or is it all on the left?
Bolshevik Revolution, Mao and his long March, N* z i gaining power, Communists in Spain and Greece, Pol Pot, Venezuela and Cuba, Caesar building his fallowing to become Emperor, The French Revolution, Cromwell… These all had movements secretly working behind the scenes to build power and get the citizenry to be acquiescent. They plotted, they got people into positions of power, they fomented anger. Just a few of them were able to do these things. To get the movement – which almost always leads to horrors for the normal people, and not their benefit as they are made to think, rolling.
In the West I hear the number of 2% who are the active Marxist/Left/Liberals who have taken over the entire education system, the MSM, the government, Social Media, Justice system, and every manner of power. The ones with a plan, and goal, of destroying the West. Soros has paid for the election campaigns of every DA and Prosecutor in USA who will destroy the Justice system from inside – one example.
To say that is a mere conspiracy theory denies all the revolutions in the past – none arize organically from nothing, they are created, and led and formented by a small cadre who use ‘Entryism’ to gain disproportional power, and use of ‘Useful Idiots’ to take full control of their organization.
If the Marxist/Liberals did not own Biden the USA’s NSA needs to find out who these traitors are, who may yet destroy all that is good in the West, and stop their wicked movement, but instead they have been brought on board, as have the top military, and every other gov branch.
A lot of us chose Cromwell of our own free will. Compared to Charles he was the marginally better option. Then, we chose Charles son for the same reason. I would object to him being lumped in with the rest.
Quite a revolutionary though. He closed down Parliament, invaded Ireland and massacred thousands of priests ( see Napoleon, Bolsheviks, Spanish left), ensured the commanding heights of the institutions were filled with his sympathisers. What do you like, exactly?
I appreciate that Cromwell was responsible for a major step against absolutism here. In my view the balance between monarch and parliament was forever shifted in parliaments favour. I appreciate the view from Ireland may be a lot less rosy though.
It requires great audacity on the part of the “Left” to scorn the Right as conspiracy theorists. How else can the belief that Trump colluded with Putin be described other than as a conspiracy theory?
Which are the main centrist news outlets? I’m sure I don’t know many.
What a disappointment outlets like the NYT and Washington Post have become…. I used to follow them and they have become ludicrous.
Maybe the Times, or Telegraph even, or the Financial Times, but they all have paywalls, so I do not read them. I just paid to get on here as I needed somewhere to rant at the world from, and this one had not banned me before the paywall, which was unusual. I do not do social media, and writing things is fun to me, writing is as easy for me as speaking my opinions, so Unherd seems the only centrist MSM I can think of….
I’ve found the Wall Street Journal pretty sound. It tries to inform rather than proselytize.
At the Telegraph site one can read it all by opening the Google Chrome dev console. And then one just has to look at the underlying HTML source, which can even be seen rendered like it would be in a browser by the preview tab. Presumably the people working there are too stupid to pull in the rest of the content through an AJAX call to prevent this easy work around.
Maybe they just assume that most people are too honest to steal.
The New York Times is a fantasy read…after 40 years we just stopped subscribing: ditto The New Yorker, Wash Post..
A couple of things. 1. it’s just Tablet magazine, not The Tablet. 2. I always hear about “owning the libs” but I am not in the least bit sure what this means, nor have I ever seen examples of this. Indeed, if they are “owning the libs” then it is because the libs in question are selling themselves so cheap.
But my main point is, of course Trump wasn’t the cause of this, he is a reaction to it. A trial balloon of sorts, if you will. Proof of concept. By that I mean what Trump did was show that you can push back against the left, but that it takes getting out of the ring, so to speak, and not being Democrat lite, but actually supporting conservative ideas forcefully. And much of the language that drove the left so batty that he used simply showed, right or wrong, that he would not be bound by the left’s rules of what is and is not acceptable, that he would not allow them to decide the terms and conditions of political battle. And now we are starting to see the result of that in DeSantis’ rise, JD Vance in Ohio, and so on.
I am not a conservative by any means, but I want options about what is best in life, and with two viable options, if not more, life is better, and that also drives the left nuts.
To help rewrite the dictionary, isn’t time the left were referred to as trash liberals, not because they are personally trashy but because what they stand for is trashing the culture – especially in the universities, the family- broken and the country – turning cohesive England into atomised and evermore Multiracialland?
Ed West’s point about the dominance of progressivism in language is best seen not by how often conservatives use arguments like DR3, but by how conservatives attack and dismiss any position TO THEIR RIGHT.
Example: No conservative talk radio host ever has anybody on as a guest who is more right-wing than they are. Conservative hosts will frequently boast about how they are willing to engage with leftists and have progressives on their programs to prove it. But when was the last time an open white nationalist or white advocate appeared on your favorite conservative program?
There are two major problems with this intimidation of conservative pundits. First, by refusing to allow anyone on their right to exist in common discourse the center-right conservatives make their own position the extreme — “far-right.”
Second, such willful blindness cuts off too many conservatives from their own ideological “fringes” where, as we have seen with the Left for decades and recently with the rise of Trumpism, the future is aborning.
I fear the West will lose the freedom of the individual because it’s too hard psychologically to sustain. When everyone demands that everyone else views them as a ‘good person’, tolerating views you don’t like comes to seem like acquiescing to them, which must at all costs be shown not to be the case.
Of course the mad progressive overreach came before Trump.
Trump, as aaron david has noted below, was a reaction to it.
I mean I noticed this in 2009, at the very least. I guess journalists tend to be a bit slow.
I noticed this in 2000, when a manuscript I wrote about women knitting for the military during the two world wars was unacceptable because I did not describe these women as ‘victims’ even though most gladly knitted for the troops voluntarily.