Outside of the coastal urban echo chambers that the Times caters to, they don’t have much credibility left to lose. Any American even halfway paying attention knows they slant their stories to push their political agenda. That they fudge the truth to do so and then half to run small print corrections later surprises nobody. They know who buys their paper and tell the readers what they want to hear. It’s bad journalism, but so is most everything else. Gotta say though, the math errors are pretty funny to read about. There’s a joke in there somewhere about journalism competing with the likes of social work and gender studies for the lowest common denominator of incoming university freshmen.
The Washington Post, to which I subscribe for insight on the USA left (martyrdom indeed), is just as bad.
But it does amuse me to see their complete lack of self awareness when they pan the right for something and then do the same thing themselves. Like reading the Guardian comments, which at least is free – though they’re so confident about winning the next election thanks to Tory incompetence that I’ve been giving the Guardian a miss recently.
Carlos Danger
1 year ago
It tickled me that the New York Times won awards for covering the Trump-Russian story. There never was one.
Yes, it’s surreal that you can win awards for journalism covering a story that was never real. We are through the looking glass at this point.
I’ve made this point re the Guardian before that it was at one point (for decades even) a truly pioneering paper, set up to be independent so they could do the brave journalistic work. The Guardian is funded by an endowment, which meant they could resist outside pressure better than other media outlets; a kind of insulation from the corrupting influences of ad money etc.
However, even without the ad-money corruption, over time the paper got colonised by upper middle class liberal types who began a self-reinforcing recruitment ethos of bringing in more people like them. Fast forward to today, and the Guardian is so radical and so far from it’s potential customer base that it’s a loss-making enterprise that can only stay in print due to the very lucky fact that they exist off their private endowment.
So they went from using their financial independence to root out truth and report it bravely — speaking truth to power, if you will …to now, where they are using their financial independence to remain in print, despite alienating most of the public while they shout down to the people the messages of powerful.
Madness!
“…the Guardian … at one point … a truly pioneering paper, set up to be independent so they could do the brave journalistic work…” Yes indeed. I await with interest the findings of the ‘independent‘ report into the Guardian’s historical roots in the slave trade. Can we expect statues to topple, perhaps? Or will John Edward Taylor, the journalist who founded the Manchester Guardian in 1821, be vilified? I doubt it.
The Guardian is hilarious. You wade through page after page of pious hand-wringing ’til you get to the lifestyle sections – then it’s ‘check out this £325 Paul Smith shirt’, ‘why not buy a mansion in the Cotswolds?’, ‘what to take on your holiday in Belize’.
D Frost
1 year ago
The NYTimes gradually transformed itself from a left-leaning news organization to a leftist political advocacy group with a heavy media presence. I’m surprised that they still bother to publish the corrections instead of justifying their disinformation by explaining that they were just speaking their own truth.
Naama Kates
1 year ago
At least when the ennobled institution finally crumbles, we’ll know what to put on the headstone…
What I have noticed also about the NYT is their labeling of mainstream conservative politicians/parties around the globe as “far”, “extreme” or “hard” right – no plain conservative or right of center. I have never seen them use those modifiers in conjunction with “left” to describe any liberal or progressive politicians/parties. I suppose that reflects their vantage point from where there isn’t much further to go on the left.
I recognized this labeling issue 40 years ago, and it has persisted constantly ever since. I am sure it was done before then but it takes a little while to recognize it.
Warren Trees
1 year ago
We can all thank Hillary Clinton, who coined the phrase in public about the alleged “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy”, which was supposedly at work, behind the scenes, to bring down her husband with continued allegations about his corruption.
Of course, it seems to be glaringly obvious that there is a left-wing conspiracy today, but no one calls it that. Politics is an ugly business.
Terry M
1 year ago
The mistake you make is assuming that the NYT had credibility with anyone outside of blue regions. Since the 1930’s they have been apologizing for statist thugs, lying about conservatives (when they are discussing them at all), and spreading disinformation, conspiracy theories, and propaganda. Ignore the NYT unless you need to wrap fish. https://thefederalist.com/2017/03/24/new-york-times-contributed-ukraines-bitter-harvest-1930s/
Last edited 1 year ago by Terry M
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
To quote Gerald Celente, “The toilet paper of record”
doug masnaghetti
1 year ago
NYT is never humiliated. They know exactly what they are doing. They are well aware they spew lies and slander to prop up the democrat party’s gross incompetence and hatred of democracy. The entire staff at NYT are morally depraved animals and enemies of free speech.
Leejon 0
1 year ago
Even, clever, people I know personally quote the $500 million nonsense, still! They are perfectly capable of doing basic arithmetic, but choose not to do so, Why? Because they choose not to allow reality to impinge upon their beliefs. Despite denying that their world view is in fact a belief; to them it is self evidently true. Same old morons, same old shit! Humans will never embrace rationality. I’m not entirely sure you lot/me are any different!
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
The New York Times has been rotting for years. It’s self-inflicted. Hardly ‘the paper of last resort’. The fab thing about today’s media environment is that there are myriad alternatives.
Last edited 1 year ago by Cathy Carron
John Aronsson
1 year ago
Heavens, the NYT has been an unreliable source since 2014 when it went all in for Ukraine.
This is a constant condition for the NYT’s. When the paper was fitting a angle halo on terrorist Baghdadi after he was killed by Trump. Letters to the paper had some of those sugar coated obituaries for the terrorist to be applied to Adolf H and Jeffery D too.
David Frost
1 year ago
“A stream of corrections is undermining the newspaper’s credibility.”
Well, it would be if they still had any…
George K
1 year ago
You want to promote treason and break us up.
Why? Why do you support Putin? Who are you, really?
Outside of the coastal urban echo chambers that the Times caters to, they don’t have much credibility left to lose. Any American even halfway paying attention knows they slant their stories to push their political agenda. That they fudge the truth to do so and then half to run small print corrections later surprises nobody. They know who buys their paper and tell the readers what they want to hear. It’s bad journalism, but so is most everything else. Gotta say though, the math errors are pretty funny to read about. There’s a joke in there somewhere about journalism competing with the likes of social work and gender studies for the lowest common denominator of incoming university freshmen.
The Washington Post, to which I subscribe for insight on the USA left (martyrdom indeed), is just as bad.
But it does amuse me to see their complete lack of self awareness when they pan the right for something and then do the same thing themselves. Like reading the Guardian comments, which at least is free – though they’re so confident about winning the next election thanks to Tory incompetence that I’ve been giving the Guardian a miss recently.
It tickled me that the New York Times won awards for covering the Trump-Russian story. There never was one.
Yes, it’s surreal that you can win awards for journalism covering a story that was never real. We are through the looking glass at this point.
I’ve made this point re the Guardian before that it was at one point (for decades even) a truly pioneering paper, set up to be independent so they could do the brave journalistic work. The Guardian is funded by an endowment, which meant they could resist outside pressure better than other media outlets; a kind of insulation from the corrupting influences of ad money etc.
However, even without the ad-money corruption, over time the paper got colonised by upper middle class liberal types who began a self-reinforcing recruitment ethos of bringing in more people like them. Fast forward to today, and the Guardian is so radical and so far from it’s potential customer base that it’s a loss-making enterprise that can only stay in print due to the very lucky fact that they exist off their private endowment.
So they went from using their financial independence to root out truth and report it bravely — speaking truth to power, if you will …to now, where they are using their financial independence to remain in print, despite alienating most of the public while they shout down to the people the messages of powerful.
Madness!
“…the Guardian … at one point … a truly pioneering paper, set up to be independent so they could do the brave journalistic work…”
Yes indeed. I await with interest the findings of the ‘independent‘ report into the Guardian’s historical roots in the slave trade. Can we expect statues to topple, perhaps? Or will John Edward Taylor, the journalist who founded the Manchester Guardian in 1821, be vilified? I doubt it.
The most famous journalist scandal of all, also linked by Terry M below:
https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pulitzer-prize-awarded-to-walter-duranty/
The Guardian is hilarious. You wade through page after page of pious hand-wringing ’til you get to the lifestyle sections – then it’s ‘check out this £325 Paul Smith shirt’, ‘why not buy a mansion in the Cotswolds?’, ‘what to take on your holiday in Belize’.
The NYTimes gradually transformed itself from a left-leaning news organization to a leftist political advocacy group with a heavy media presence. I’m surprised that they still bother to publish the corrections instead of justifying their disinformation by explaining that they were just speaking their own truth.
At least when the ennobled institution finally crumbles, we’ll know what to put on the headstone…
“Here lies the New York Times.”
Why wait? It could be the byline right now.
What I have noticed also about the NYT is their labeling of mainstream conservative politicians/parties around the globe as “far”, “extreme” or “hard” right – no plain conservative or right of center. I have never seen them use those modifiers in conjunction with “left” to describe any liberal or progressive politicians/parties. I suppose that reflects their vantage point from where there isn’t much further to go on the left.
I recognized this labeling issue 40 years ago, and it has persisted constantly ever since. I am sure it was done before then but it takes a little while to recognize it.
We can all thank Hillary Clinton, who coined the phrase in public about the alleged “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy”, which was supposedly at work, behind the scenes, to bring down her husband with continued allegations about his corruption.
Of course, it seems to be glaringly obvious that there is a left-wing conspiracy today, but no one calls it that. Politics is an ugly business.
The mistake you make is assuming that the NYT had credibility with anyone outside of blue regions. Since the 1930’s they have been apologizing for statist thugs, lying about conservatives (when they are discussing them at all), and spreading disinformation, conspiracy theories, and propaganda. Ignore the NYT unless you need to wrap fish.
https://thefederalist.com/2017/03/24/new-york-times-contributed-ukraines-bitter-harvest-1930s/
To quote Gerald Celente, “The toilet paper of record”
NYT is never humiliated. They know exactly what they are doing. They are well aware they spew lies and slander to prop up the democrat party’s gross incompetence and hatred of democracy. The entire staff at NYT are morally depraved animals and enemies of free speech.
Even, clever, people I know personally quote the $500 million nonsense, still! They are perfectly capable of doing basic arithmetic, but choose not to do so, Why? Because they choose not to allow reality to impinge upon their beliefs. Despite denying that their world view is in fact a belief; to them it is self evidently true. Same old morons, same old shit! Humans will never embrace rationality. I’m not entirely sure you lot/me are any different!
The New York Times has been rotting for years. It’s self-inflicted. Hardly ‘the paper of last resort’. The fab thing about today’s media environment is that there are myriad alternatives.
Heavens, the NYT has been an unreliable source since 2014 when it went all in for Ukraine.
Unreliable since at least the 1930’s.
This is a constant condition for the NYT’s. When the paper was fitting a angle halo on terrorist Baghdadi after he was killed by Trump. Letters to the paper had some of those sugar coated obituaries for the terrorist to be applied to Adolf H and Jeffery D too.
“A stream of corrections is undermining the newspaper’s credibility.”
Well, it would be if they still had any…
You want to promote treason and break us up.
Why? Why do you support Putin?
Who are you, really?