How about ending government support and sanction of the intrusive, compulsory bias training sessions being run by the religion of Critical Race Theory. Spot the difference?
Warren Alexander
3 years ago
“EU religion policy would be less oppressive than China’s” until it suited its purpose to be even more oppressive.
Andrew D
3 years ago
It’s tricky. I’d agree if we were just talking about a normal religion, but we’re talking here about a neo-fascist politico-religious philosophy, propagated by many imams (and others), who inspire their followers with depressing frequency to commit unspeakable atrocities. No state (or political union) should seek to have a role in the training of clergy, but the state can and should take action against incitement to crime. This should certainly include closing mosques and deporting imams. I suppose an analogy could be made with the threat posed to the British state by Jesuit priests in the late C16 and C17. Then the remedy was more straightforward – hanging, drawing and quartering. I don’t think the EU is suggesting that, yet.
We all know its just ONE religion that poses a significant problem today, and it should not be treated as if it were the same (dare I say, ‘equal’?) as the others.
GA Woolley
3 years ago
‘Moderate’ Muslims always point to a ‘perverted interpretation’ of their texts as the reason for the atrocities carried out under the banner of Islam, but have utterly failed to provide the ‘correct’ interpretation which would avoid such ‘perversion’. It’s therefore fully justified for governments to do their job for them, and remove those parts of their texts and teaching which would, if they weren’t protected by the fig leaf of ‘religion’, be classified as hate crimes.
it seems to me that moderate muslims say nothing about atrocities carried out under the name of islam. It is non-muslim apologists who make these points allegedly on their behalf, ignoring the fact that muslims, and in particular ‘extremist’ muslims, pay no attention whatever to comments or criticisms by unbelievers.
pearce.douglas
3 years ago
The sooner people grow up and acknowledge just how utterly ridiculous and demeaning all religion is the better.
Said it before, say it again; Everyone has a religion — some are explicit and examined, some are implicit and unexamined. But everyone has a religion. Thank you for sharing which group yours is in.
Examine away, but I can assure you I don’t have a religion. What religion are you, Paul S.?
Ian Barton
3 years ago
It might not be the same as “training”, but a system of licensing that enables the removal of the ‘right to practice’ from religious figures that preach hate (or provide shelter to paedophiles) would have some benefits.
Vóreios Paratiritís
3 years ago
I think one has to be very careful when commenting on this topic and try to take a viewpoint that is larger than ones personal politics, in fact that is larger than politics itself.
Some basic elements to consider:
What do we mean by Religion? What do we expect of Religion and the Religious? What does the historical record show for Islam in regards to “church” and “state” relations.
Once you begin examining these questions with an open mind, the answers come. We may want to treat this issue in a certain way, but the particular characteristics of the thing may demand an approach outside of our comfort zone. Such is life.
Red Reynard
3 years ago
It may be that it’s not Islam per se that is the major issue, rather the particular type. Yasmin Allaby(?)-Brown has spent years trying to raise the alarm about the Saudi funding of Wahhabi Imams, Korans, and mosques in the West.
Go Away Please
3 years ago
This article seems to imply that the Chinese re-education camps in Xinjiang have schools for training Imams. I didn’t realise that. In fact I’m not sure that is right. The re-education camps are supposedly there to get Muslims to integrate better into Chinese society. That, if true, has some merit because the Chinese may know something about being Chinese. They wouldn’t know much about training Imams. In the same way I don’t see how the EU can train Imams without using Muslims who probably already do that. It’s a poorly thought out suggestion by Michel, Macron or Trump or whoever suggested it.
How about ending government support and sanction of the intrusive, compulsory bias training sessions being run by the religion of Critical Race Theory. Spot the difference?
“EU religion policy would be less oppressive than China’s” until it suited its purpose to be even more oppressive.
It’s tricky. I’d agree if we were just talking about a normal religion, but we’re talking here about a neo-fascist politico-religious philosophy, propagated by many imams (and others), who inspire their followers with depressing frequency to commit unspeakable atrocities. No state (or political union) should seek to have a role in the training of clergy, but the state can and should take action against incitement to crime. This should certainly include closing mosques and deporting imams. I suppose an analogy could be made with the threat posed to the British state by Jesuit priests in the late C16 and C17. Then the remedy was more straightforward – hanging, drawing and quartering. I don’t think the EU is suggesting that, yet.
As a Catholic I favour this outcome.
We all know its just ONE religion that poses a significant problem today, and it should not be treated as if it were the same (dare I say, ‘equal’?) as the others.
‘Moderate’ Muslims always point to a ‘perverted interpretation’ of their texts as the reason for the atrocities carried out under the banner of Islam, but have utterly failed to provide the ‘correct’ interpretation which would avoid such ‘perversion’. It’s therefore fully justified for governments to do their job for them, and remove those parts of their texts and teaching which would, if they weren’t protected by the fig leaf of ‘religion’, be classified as hate crimes.
it seems to me that moderate muslims say nothing about atrocities carried out under the name of islam. It is non-muslim apologists who make these points allegedly on their behalf, ignoring the fact that muslims, and in particular ‘extremist’ muslims, pay no attention whatever to comments or criticisms by unbelievers.
The sooner people grow up and acknowledge just how utterly ridiculous and demeaning all religion is the better.
Said it before, say it again;
Everyone has a religion — some are explicit and examined, some are implicit and unexamined.
But everyone has a religion.
Thank you for sharing which group yours is in.
Examine away, but I can assure you I don’t have a religion.
What religion are you, Paul S.?
It might not be the same as “training”, but a system of licensing that enables the removal of the ‘right to practice’ from religious figures that preach hate (or provide shelter to paedophiles) would have some benefits.
I think one has to be very careful when commenting on this topic and try to take a viewpoint that is larger than ones personal politics, in fact that is larger than politics itself.
Some basic elements to consider:
What do we mean by Religion?
What do we expect of Religion and the Religious?
What does the historical record show for Islam in regards to “church” and “state” relations.
Once you begin examining these questions with an open mind, the answers come. We may want to treat this issue in a certain way, but the particular characteristics of the thing may demand an approach outside of our comfort zone. Such is life.
It may be that it’s not Islam per se that is the major issue, rather the particular type. Yasmin Allaby(?)-Brown has spent years trying to raise the alarm about the Saudi funding of Wahhabi Imams, Korans, and mosques in the West.
This article seems to imply that the Chinese re-education camps in Xinjiang have schools for training Imams. I didn’t realise that. In fact I’m not sure that is right. The re-education camps are supposedly there to get Muslims to integrate better into Chinese society. That, if true, has some merit because the Chinese may know something about being Chinese. They wouldn’t know much about training Imams. In the same way I don’t see how the EU can train Imams without using Muslims who probably already do that.
It’s a poorly thought out suggestion by Michel, Macron or Trump or whoever suggested it.