Our MPs spent yesterday debating the Afghanistan disaster as if Britain could have prevented it.
Keir Starmer got the ball rolling with a misjudged — and, at some points, unintelligible — speech, blaming it all on Boris Johnson. Accusing the Prime Minister of complacency, he reeled off a list of supposed policy failures, all of which had this in common: their complete irrelevance to the course of this week’s events.
But it wasn’t just Starmer. One MP after another held forth as if Britain could have stopped the advance of the Taliban — or, at least, changed Joe Biden’s mind about the American pullout.
But neither of these things are true. This may have been a NATO mission, but it’s one in which America made by far the greatest contribution. What America wanted, under both Trump and Biden, was to withdraw — and having already done the same ourselves we could hardly object.
Several MPs, including Starmer, taunted the PM with his July prediction that “there is no military path to victory for the Taliban”. But the prediction was correct. The 300,000 strong Afghan army was not defeated on the battlefield, rather the country was handed over to the insurgents by its own political leadership.
This is the single most important fact about the fall of Kabul, but our MPs ignored it. Instead, they queued up to condemn President Biden for his statement that the Afghan military had collapsed, “sometimes without trying to fight.” Biden could have chosen his words more carefully — placing the blame on the leaders not the soldiers — but he was basically right.
On this and every other issue, the preference of our MPs is to emote rather than confront harsh realities.
The issue of refugees is a case in point. Clearly we owe a duty of care to those Afghans who helped us. But over-and-over again, MPs confused this specific moral obligation with a responsibility for the Afghan people as a whole. Starmer claimed that while the situation required an international response, Britain “must take the lead.” He never explained why.
Layla Moran, for the Lib Dems, called for a humanitarian corridor to be opened up to an international border — but failed to say how it might be secured or indeed which of Afghanistan’s neighbours should be at the other end.
Some MPs, like Yvette Cooper, did have constructive suggestions for how the immigration paperwork could be expedited for priority cases, but let’s not forget that the evacuation process at Kabul airport is only taking place with the agreement of the Taliban, which we can hardly rely upon. Needless to say, that didn’t stop other contributors to the debate from engaging in what Tom Tugendhat called a “political auction of numbers”.
The Prime Minister announced a resettlement programme for 20,000 Afghans. This was instantly pronounced inadequate. The Labour leader complained it was “number without rationale”, which should instead be based on a “risk assessment.” The SNP’s Ian Blackford also got into the numbers game; but when challenged on the Scottish Government’s contribution, he was reduced to spluttering indignation.
The Green MP, Caroline Lucas, took the opportunity to attack government efforts to stop illegal immigration. She claimed that “a woman fleeing the Taliban with her children on a boat across the Channel would be criminalised.” Unless the Taliban advance all the way to the French coast, that’s unlikely. Furthermore, those currently making the crossing are almost exclusively male. However, it didn’t seem to cross Lucas’s mind that illegal immigration not only compromises our security, but takes places from those with much greater need of our help.
Her attitude is typical of a political culture that refuses to accept that tough choices have to be made — if indeed there’s anything we can do at all.
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SubscribeAnother excellent interview ‘scoop’, thank you Freddie, one of many that have punctuated the Covid fiasco (beginning with Prof Johann Giesecke back in April 2020, my introduction to Unherd).
All credit to the professor for the having the honesty and humility to reflect on perceived failures of the Israeli national vaccine programme, for which he was partly responsible. And very encouraging that he states clearly that he thinks vaccine passports should be abandoned
Scoop, Evelyn Waugh. ““Feather-footed through the plashy fen passes the questing vole.””
Great literary reference, one I think of whenever some Journalism is being done…
Israel made the same mistake as the UK. They equated positive tests to cases and did not test randomly. They tested 1 in 6 of the vaccinated and tested every unvaccinated person twice, so they found most of cases to be in the unvaccinated. Then they celebrated because they thought the vaccines were working and of course wanted to force vaccines on those who did not want them.
I would add nearly every study had a short time line. The CDC study used to verify immunity was done dec 2020 to April 2021. That is the study the cdc used to get fda approval for Comirnaty. As the study clearly did not reflect reality why have they not removed their approval? During that time most people were still unvaccinated and they rode that winter wave down. Counting people as unvaccinated until two weeks after they had two doses also scewed results as the vaccines appear to suppress the immune system the first week after the first dose.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-government-of-alberta-says-you/comments
Interesting – and well done Freddie on many of your incisive, probing questions which represent the views of people who are questioning the alarming trend in which the world is travelling – especially around vaccine mandates and passports.
I particularly liked the way in which you did not allow the issue of triaging to only be centred around potentially refusing the unvaccinated treatment. This is illogical and has to then involve other people who make life choices that might necessitate medical treatment.
I think Professor Cohen did quite well… especially as we all know he has other masters to answer to. As always it is political.
Thanks for the info. The letter is a very powerful and incisive highlighting of grave mistakes and misjudgements which could just as well be addressed to a number of European governments (UK, Austria, Italy for a start) and their advisers.
This letter is a must read for everyone.
scroll to minute 9:30, and watch a fun bit, one which says a lot about these vax-pushers hypocrisy. Freddy is mentioning the insane covid response, current in Europe, extreme Lockdowns, Mandates, vax Passports – not getting the vax is even being made illegal… and asks the Doctor what he thinks of that. The good Doctor replies:
‘Well, you, know its a Free World…’ Hahahaaa. What he is Meaning by those words is every nation is Free to be as Tyrannical to their citizens as they wish to be. (thus That Freedom on an Individual level is non-existent, that it is no inalienable right to Freedom – just what your Government wished to give you, (Orwellian new-speak so deep in him he cannot hear it).) That the citizen may lose every scrap of freedom, and it’s up each government to decide. Spoken like a true VAXing Maniac.
Next I hope Freddy interviews Fauci and asks him to tell us his thoughts on how the Vax is.
Anyway – this guy is backpedaling fast. When he gave the old triage theory of the unvaxed being left on a trolly in the hall so a vaxed can fill the ER bed we got a whiff of the old ‘Mask/Mandate/Vax school of thought – but he also said locking the schools was a Huge Mistake, so reality is seeping in.
If a ‘Conservative is a Liberal who was Mugged by Reality‘ Then its good to see these Lockdown/vax tyrants cooling it – as they have been mugged by the reality they unleashed on the world.
I too noticed the ‘free world’ comment. It was very jarring.
How is it where you are Lesley? Here it is a lovely night, almost warm, full moon lighting all the woods and marsh up clearly – I have been walking with the dogs, through the forest to some land in the woods I just had cleared, it is magical out in the forest, utterly without any sign of man, exceedingly beautiful. It was amazing how they cleared it – they had a CAT with a 6 foot wide, massive, spinning, bar with large steel cutting teeth on it – and it just rolls up to a tree, and eats through it – Big trees, I had pines about 70 foot tall, Massive ones, and a great many small ones and brush – it just ground it all up to wood chips – the really big tree trunks they just shoved into the woods around, to rot over the years, everything else mulched and left instead of going to a dump. The whole cleared land is 6 inches deep in spongy wood chips. Next they dig a swimming pond, 70 ft X 35 ft X 10 ft deep and use the dirt to raise the ground, it is very low – not wetlands, but always flooding. I cannot imagine living in a city – the covid lockdowns – I could not have done it, I would have ended up in jail.
Yes. That was disturbing. It made me shudder
I appreciate the doctors candor. In Canada they have admited to nothing. They have stopped talking about the unvaxxed filling the hospitals. Because now its the vaxxed doing the overwhelming. But if anything, they have dbl downed on the vax passport. They seem to be determined to fulfill that recurring authoritarian wet dream fantasy.
A very likeable guy who said a lot of interesting and nuanced things. However, I fear that many of us will take snippets from this to support our preconceived ideas
Great comment. The power of this interview, imo, is the balance and nuance. Prof. Cohen acknowledged policy mistakes in education–fair enough. Nobody can expect advisors to be infallible in a fast changing situation.
His comments about the green pass recognized that, in one regard, they’re not necessary because the vaccinated can be infected and infectious like the unvaccinated. But he is also clearly a proponent of vaccines because they are good at preventing severe disease. So I sense a grudging approval of green passes as a tool to encourage/coerce vaccination.
I also liked his emphasis on the fact that the virus will probably be with us forever and some years will be bad and some better (like the flu), and that we can’t predict exactly what will happen so we have to keep all options open.
A very encouraging and candid interview (kudos to the professor and to Freddie) but I feel it must be taken as a whole.
I agree with your take on it.
I was surprised that he admitted that green passes were a form of coercion, which was very honest.
There’s so much to comment on
“I was surprised that he admitted that green passes were a form of coercion,”
That Natural Immunity was not accepted in a great many Nations PROVED coercion was all they were, that it was nothing to do with health. Remember the Hawthorn book ‘The Scarlet Letter’ where the adulterous woman is made to wear the letter so all may know her shame and scorn her? Bit of history being repeated.
Outstanding and thank you Freddie for doing all this work – this is what journalists need to be doing. Not taking the “party line” but actually digging in, asking difficult questions, looking at all authority with a skeptical eye and getting to the truth.
Freddy forgot the BIG one to ask and Israeli – Why did the Palestinian communities all around, with great vax-hesitance in them, not all die, but rather did about the same.
Yes. He seemed to imply the vaccine had some effectiveness before omnicron. The data manipulation in the USA is particularly bad. The ONS is actually better. You can acually dig out all cause mortality between vaxxed and unvaxxed. The vaccines clearly did not help
So – what are the lessons ? Thinking at the beginning in April/May 2020, I thought: Vaccination- then immunity, either natural or vaccinated – then, it’s like flu. First Lesson: Scientists often don’t know and should not pretend they do know. Put another way: scientists must resist the temptation to play God. Of the tens of interviews of scientists I have watched since COVID started, how many admitted they didn’t have a clue ? Yes, it’s zero. Second Lesson: Use Common Sense. Don’t “Follow the Science” which is only a political way of blaming everything bad that happens on someone else. Third: Stay Calm and Rational, Don’t Over-React. Closing schools was a wild over-reaction.
Closing schools is “the one mistake” that a state founded as a safe haven for a politically persecuted minority made? And the persecution of a minority for political reasons by that very state wasn’t also a mistake?
One mistake? He admits to several. i’m thankful he did the interview but the arrogance of the man is simply frightening. If people don’t do what you say the medical establishment may choose to not treat you? People like this don’t belong in this profession. As an older (over 50) electrical engineer if the government decides to not let me use services will they refund my tax money for the last 25 years? I thought I had to pay all that money because of the “social contract” I never signed up for.
Scary that such people advise governments….he says he is a scientists and ….. and in this interview talks nearly only politics…
This man admitted this has been one giant experiment.
Though it has failed, disasterously, he wants to keep experimenting with us, his little Petri dish of wonder.
Scientists need reigning in, promptly.
I wish Freddie had asked the question about using Ivermectin, HCQ and other repurposed drugs in the early stages vs. wait and see how long it takes before you have to go to the hospital.
Why 50 or 60? Immunity doesn’t really start to wane in people until about 60. Most deaths were 70-80 year olds. And some people’s biological age might be 50 but they are in great health while a 40 year old has 3 co-morbidities. Why no consequences for people with life-style disease who get Covid who are younger than 50/60? This is a poor guidepost for creating regulations.
Did the guy actually say anything definitive? If he did I missed it! Just a load of ifs and maybes couched in caveats masquerading as expertise.
This article deserves a more thoughtful response on the open questions. Ran out of time…
A stretch to compare Italy’s Covid regulations to China’s. Comparing a Democracy to a Communist country.
The best of Freddie´s questions: Wouldn’t that be a dangerous path? (regarding unvaccinated people not getting hospital care).
Just seen Bibi on TV tonight and wow, he looks so old. Then I remember, he took those Pfizer jabs. He’s lucky to be still alive, as so many in Israel had died plus millions more globally have been victims of the jabs.
I can’t believe that he still can’t see the dangers, and because of this, he is dangerous. Or he must be another Globalist. Sad.