Of course not all Sami are white-skinned. What about Sami Davis Junior?
Richard Barrett
1 year ago
Of course not all Sami are white-skinned. What about Sami Davis Junior?
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Europeans appear hell-bent on importing America’s societal fractures. I guess if we’re all balkanized into fractious tribes we become easy to control and manipulate.
Of course if we remain ardent in our own Balkanized (and I’m bearing in mind the original historic usage) identities and genuine convictions, tyrants find us utterly ungovernable and empires collapse. We can do more than hope, but mustn’t let the malefactors’ fools script it all, e.g., America’s societal fractures.
Of course if we remain ardent in our own Balkanized (and I’m bearing in mind the original historic usage) identities and genuine convictions, tyrants find us utterly ungovernable and empires collapse. We can do more than hope, but mustn’t let the malefactors’ fools script it all, e.g., America’s societal fractures.
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Europeans appear hell-bent on importing America’s societal fractures. I guess if we’re all balkanized into fractious tribes we become easy to control and manipulate.
Dominic A
1 year ago
Trans activisits should take note (I believe that LGB have already done so) – endlessly demanding more attention, more rights, more protections than apply to the genpop, whilst simulataneously concretising a victim narrative, will likely backfire.
It hasn’t backfired yet for traditional U.K. feminism (e.g. Gender Pay Gap, WASPI pensions) but it may one day.
Last edited 1 year ago by Ian Barton
Dominic A
1 year ago
Trans activisits should take note (I believe that LGB have already done so) – endlessly demanding more attention, more rights, more protections than apply to the genpop, whilst simulataneously concretising a victim narrative, will likely backfire.
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Completely bonkers.
Are they claiming that Europe was inhabited by the Sami originally until we Europeans invaded from Africa? Asia? and wiped out the peaceful European Sami so that only a few remain in their northern reservation like American Indians, so that it is only right and proper that we should take in as many fighting age young males from other parts of the globe so we can so we understand what it is like to have Europe taken from us like we seized it from the Sami?
The Swedes better take down their daft tweet as soon as possible unless the want to continue to be accused of racism against the other indigenous peoples of Europe.
Last edited 1 year ago by Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Completely bonkers.
Are they claiming that Europe was inhabited by the Sami originally until we Europeans invaded from Africa? Asia? and wiped out the peaceful European Sami so that only a few remain in their northern reservation like American Indians, so that it is only right and proper that we should take in as many fighting age young males from other parts of the globe so we can so we understand what it is like to have Europe taken from us like we seized it from the Sami?
The Swedes better take down their daft tweet as soon as possible unless the want to continue to be accused of racism against the other indigenous peoples of Europe.
Last edited 1 year ago by Jeremy Bray
Richard Parker
1 year ago
I recently read a piece in a major news outlet, written by a 20-something journalist, who tried to tell his audience that African Americans are “indigenous” to the Continental US.
Language is becoming dissociated from meaning, the map from the territory – and I sense that this is a deliberate ploy in some quarters. Orwell understood it perfectly from his observations of Stalinists: control language and you control expression; control expression, you control dialogue, and eventually the political narrative.
A project is underway and if you try to protest it, you get gaslit with protestations that you’re being paranoid (entertainingly, thrown at you by the people most fond of accusing others of gaslighting them). I was sceptical, at first, that the current “moment” would cohere long enough to “stick” politically, but eventually it became clear that there are those who do not wish our culture well, and they’re not working from outside of it, either. Their project won’t end well for anyone, but that seems to be the nihilistic objective of the exercise.
At least in the form that I’ve encountered it, that belief is not ironic, it’s deadly serious.
It seems to be related to Afrocentricism, buying into a belief system which tells one their people are the true masters of the planet and the source of all good inventions, but were deprived of their rightful place by evil other races.
A related version suggests that every invention or innovation highlighted in world history (or US history) really came from a person of African heritage, but was stolen by the white person who falsely gets named in the history books.
I do wonder how deeply they believe such obvious coping strategies. I would expect that many may have mixed minds internally, knowing that they are spouting BS, but hiding it from their narrative spinning mind. Luckily, this seems to be a small fringe, not unlike flat earthers.
To be clear, I think that trying to build up your personal self esteem by constantly comparing what one’s genetic ancestors did with what other people’s ancestors did, is a fools errand. I’m with Glenn Loury in taking a full ownership of the collective accomplishments of all humankind (at least to the same degree that everybody else does; how much the virtues or vices of previous people says anything about our own virtues and vices is questionable). So Glenn can claim kinship to any wisdom or brilliance derived from any continent, rather than only the subset attributable to African peoples. That means he has no need to lie about what his personal ancestors did in order to “win” a competition which is unneeded and irrelevant anyway.
Anyway, one offshoot of this tendency to invent a glorious ancestry is the idea that Africans were indigenous to all continents, but that has been suppressed. One video I recently watched was accusing all the Native American tribes of white supremacy, because they were outraged at Blacks claiming to be Native to the Americas.
At least in the form that I’ve encountered it, that belief is not ironic, it’s deadly serious.
It seems to be related to Afrocentricism, buying into a belief system which tells one their people are the true masters of the planet and the source of all good inventions, but were deprived of their rightful place by evil other races.
A related version suggests that every invention or innovation highlighted in world history (or US history) really came from a person of African heritage, but was stolen by the white person who falsely gets named in the history books.
I do wonder how deeply they believe such obvious coping strategies. I would expect that many may have mixed minds internally, knowing that they are spouting BS, but hiding it from their narrative spinning mind. Luckily, this seems to be a small fringe, not unlike flat earthers.
To be clear, I think that trying to build up your personal self esteem by constantly comparing what one’s genetic ancestors did with what other people’s ancestors did, is a fools errand. I’m with Glenn Loury in taking a full ownership of the collective accomplishments of all humankind (at least to the same degree that everybody else does; how much the virtues or vices of previous people says anything about our own virtues and vices is questionable). So Glenn can claim kinship to any wisdom or brilliance derived from any continent, rather than only the subset attributable to African peoples. That means he has no need to lie about what his personal ancestors did in order to “win” a competition which is unneeded and irrelevant anyway.
Anyway, one offshoot of this tendency to invent a glorious ancestry is the idea that Africans were indigenous to all continents, but that has been suppressed. One video I recently watched was accusing all the Native American tribes of white supremacy, because they were outraged at Blacks claiming to be Native to the Americas.
Is it ironic to refer to African Americans as being indigenous to America? Or is it just being utterly ignorant?
Richard Parker
1 year ago
I recently read a piece in a major news outlet, written by a 20-something journalist, who tried to tell his audience that African Americans are “indigenous” to the Continental US.
Language is becoming dissociated from meaning, the map from the territory – and I sense that this is a deliberate ploy in some quarters. Orwell understood it perfectly from his observations of Stalinists: control language and you control expression; control expression, you control dialogue, and eventually the political narrative.
A project is underway and if you try to protest it, you get gaslit with protestations that you’re being paranoid (entertainingly, thrown at you by the people most fond of accusing others of gaslighting them). I was sceptical, at first, that the current “moment” would cohere long enough to “stick” politically, but eventually it became clear that there are those who do not wish our culture well, and they’re not working from outside of it, either. Their project won’t end well for anyone, but that seems to be the nihilistic objective of the exercise.
Martin Brumby
1 year ago
“At a time when populism is a constant threat…”
I reckon I could quickly jot down impressive lists of threats to contemporary Western culture, to the population of the UK, or to me personally. Your choice.
I very much doubt that “populism” would feature in the first 100 entries of any of them.
Martin Brumby
1 year ago
“At a time when populism is a constant threat…”
I reckon I could quickly jot down impressive lists of threats to contemporary Western culture, to the population of the UK, or to me personally. Your choice.
I very much doubt that “populism” would feature in the first 100 entries of any of them.
Tom Lewis
1 year ago
I’m Sami, evidently, if you go back far enough !
I think (for what it’s worth) that this author, like others before them, seem to confuse ethnicity and culture. I watched a program about the Celts (Irish), presented be Ardal O’Hanlon, in which the same error occurred (I suspect ‘political’ points, with regard to immigration were trying to be made, if not out loud, about there being no Irish Celtic Race, and not being particularly Irish didn’t need preserving). I think race matters far less than culture, and what is, presumably, under threat is Sami culture, and not specifically ethnicity. This is happening, not just in Northern Scandinavia, but everywhere, all the time, the question is, is it worth preserving, and indeed is it at all possible in this ever more homogeneous world, particularly one in which white indigenous, even ancient, culture seems to be ever more toxic.
Tom Lewis
1 year ago
I’m Sami, evidently, if you go back far enough !
I think (for what it’s worth) that this author, like others before them, seem to confuse ethnicity and culture. I watched a program about the Celts (Irish), presented be Ardal O’Hanlon, in which the same error occurred (I suspect ‘political’ points, with regard to immigration were trying to be made, if not out loud, about there being no Irish Celtic Race, and not being particularly Irish didn’t need preserving). I think race matters far less than culture, and what is, presumably, under threat is Sami culture, and not specifically ethnicity. This is happening, not just in Northern Scandinavia, but everywhere, all the time, the question is, is it worth preserving, and indeed is it at all possible in this ever more homogeneous world, particularly one in which white indigenous, even ancient, culture seems to be ever more toxic.
Neil Cheshire
1 year ago
The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, also known by the absurd acronym UNDRIP, should apply to the people of Western Europe, in particular Article 8, though I doubt that is the intention. When does a person cease being indigenous? Should I still be identifying as Iceni?
Last edited 1 year ago by Neil Cheshire
Neil Cheshire
1 year ago
The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, also known by the absurd acronym UNDRIP, should apply to the people of Western Europe, in particular Article 8, though I doubt that is the intention. When does a person cease being indigenous? Should I still be identifying as Iceni?
Last edited 1 year ago by Neil Cheshire
David Kingsworthy
1 year ago
This is a grave error by the Swedish Presidency of the Council of the EU because they ignore the current truism that white people are inherently, biologically colonial and therefore cannot claim to be indigenous to any location. Sami-supremacists have apparently infiltrated the highest reaches of European government.
I don’t think they’re ignoring it, I think they’re fully on board!
David Kingsworthy
1 year ago
This is a grave error by the Swedish Presidency of the Council of the EU because they ignore the current truism that white people are inherently, biologically colonial and therefore cannot claim to be indigenous to any location. Sami-supremacists have apparently infiltrated the highest reaches of European government.
Chris W
1 year ago
This is an interesting article and the responses are as predicted on UnHerd. The Sami people extend across the north of Norway, Sweden and Finland. The question is, have they been incorporated into those countries or conquered and their customs suppressed – like the tribes in North America.
There are two ways of looking at this:- how many of their customs have been incorporated into the culture of the new countries and how many of their words are used in everyday spoken language. Are their words useful apart from when you are herding reindeer?
I think (maybe I’m wrong) that Sweden is the most advanced in trying to incorporate the Sami culture but this is true for all immigrants in Sweden – with mixed results. It would be interesting to get opinions from Norway and Finland.
I incorporate, you conquer and suppress customs, he ethnically cleanses.
Chris W
1 year ago
This is an interesting article and the responses are as predicted on UnHerd. The Sami people extend across the north of Norway, Sweden and Finland. The question is, have they been incorporated into those countries or conquered and their customs suppressed – like the tribes in North America.
There are two ways of looking at this:- how many of their customs have been incorporated into the culture of the new countries and how many of their words are used in everyday spoken language. Are their words useful apart from when you are herding reindeer?
I think (maybe I’m wrong) that Sweden is the most advanced in trying to incorporate the Sami culture but this is true for all immigrants in Sweden – with mixed results. It would be interesting to get opinions from Norway and Finland.
Of course not all Sami are white-skinned. What about Sami Davis Junior?
Of course not all Sami are white-skinned. What about Sami Davis Junior?
Europeans appear hell-bent on importing America’s societal fractures. I guess if we’re all balkanized into fractious tribes we become easy to control and manipulate.
Of course if we remain ardent in our own Balkanized (and I’m bearing in mind the original historic usage) identities and genuine convictions, tyrants find us utterly ungovernable and empires collapse. We can do more than hope, but mustn’t let the malefactors’ fools script it all, e.g., America’s societal fractures.
Of course if we remain ardent in our own Balkanized (and I’m bearing in mind the original historic usage) identities and genuine convictions, tyrants find us utterly ungovernable and empires collapse. We can do more than hope, but mustn’t let the malefactors’ fools script it all, e.g., America’s societal fractures.
Europeans appear hell-bent on importing America’s societal fractures. I guess if we’re all balkanized into fractious tribes we become easy to control and manipulate.
Trans activisits should take note (I believe that LGB have already done so) – endlessly demanding more attention, more rights, more protections than apply to the genpop, whilst simulataneously concretising a victim narrative, will likely backfire.
It hasn’t backfired yet for traditional U.K. feminism (e.g. Gender Pay Gap, WASPI pensions) but it may one day.
It hasn’t backfired yet for traditional U.K. feminism (e.g. Gender Pay Gap, WASPI pensions) but it may one day.
Trans activisits should take note (I believe that LGB have already done so) – endlessly demanding more attention, more rights, more protections than apply to the genpop, whilst simulataneously concretising a victim narrative, will likely backfire.
Completely bonkers.
Are they claiming that Europe was inhabited by the Sami originally until we Europeans invaded from Africa? Asia? and wiped out the peaceful European Sami so that only a few remain in their northern reservation like American Indians, so that it is only right and proper that we should take in as many fighting age young males from other parts of the globe so we can so we understand what it is like to have Europe taken from us like we seized it from the Sami?
The Swedes better take down their daft tweet as soon as possible unless the want to continue to be accused of racism against the other indigenous peoples of Europe.
Completely bonkers.
Are they claiming that Europe was inhabited by the Sami originally until we Europeans invaded from Africa? Asia? and wiped out the peaceful European Sami so that only a few remain in their northern reservation like American Indians, so that it is only right and proper that we should take in as many fighting age young males from other parts of the globe so we can so we understand what it is like to have Europe taken from us like we seized it from the Sami?
The Swedes better take down their daft tweet as soon as possible unless the want to continue to be accused of racism against the other indigenous peoples of Europe.
I recently read a piece in a major news outlet, written by a 20-something journalist, who tried to tell his audience that African Americans are “indigenous” to the Continental US.
Language is becoming dissociated from meaning, the map from the territory – and I sense that this is a deliberate ploy in some quarters. Orwell understood it perfectly from his observations of Stalinists: control language and you control expression; control expression, you control dialogue, and eventually the political narrative.
A project is underway and if you try to protest it, you get gaslit with protestations that you’re being paranoid (entertainingly, thrown at you by the people most fond of accusing others of gaslighting them). I was sceptical, at first, that the current “moment” would cohere long enough to “stick” politically, but eventually it became clear that there are those who do not wish our culture well, and they’re not working from outside of it, either. Their project won’t end well for anyone, but that seems to be the nihilistic objective of the exercise.
Is it ironic to refer to African Americans as being indigenous to America? Or is it just being utterly ignorant?
At least in the form that I’ve encountered it, that belief is not ironic, it’s deadly serious.
It seems to be related to Afrocentricism, buying into a belief system which tells one their people are the true masters of the planet and the source of all good inventions, but were deprived of their rightful place by evil other races.
A related version suggests that every invention or innovation highlighted in world history (or US history) really came from a person of African heritage, but was stolen by the white person who falsely gets named in the history books.
I do wonder how deeply they believe such obvious coping strategies. I would expect that many may have mixed minds internally, knowing that they are spouting BS, but hiding it from their narrative spinning mind. Luckily, this seems to be a small fringe, not unlike flat earthers.
To be clear, I think that trying to build up your personal self esteem by constantly comparing what one’s genetic ancestors did with what other people’s ancestors did, is a fools errand. I’m with Glenn Loury in taking a full ownership of the collective accomplishments of all humankind (at least to the same degree that everybody else does; how much the virtues or vices of previous people says anything about our own virtues and vices is questionable). So Glenn can claim kinship to any wisdom or brilliance derived from any continent, rather than only the subset attributable to African peoples. That means he has no need to lie about what his personal ancestors did in order to “win” a competition which is unneeded and irrelevant anyway.
Anyway, one offshoot of this tendency to invent a glorious ancestry is the idea that Africans were indigenous to all continents, but that has been suppressed. One video I recently watched was accusing all the Native American tribes of white supremacy, because they were outraged at Blacks claiming to be Native to the Americas.
At least in the form that I’ve encountered it, that belief is not ironic, it’s deadly serious.
It seems to be related to Afrocentricism, buying into a belief system which tells one their people are the true masters of the planet and the source of all good inventions, but were deprived of their rightful place by evil other races.
A related version suggests that every invention or innovation highlighted in world history (or US history) really came from a person of African heritage, but was stolen by the white person who falsely gets named in the history books.
I do wonder how deeply they believe such obvious coping strategies. I would expect that many may have mixed minds internally, knowing that they are spouting BS, but hiding it from their narrative spinning mind. Luckily, this seems to be a small fringe, not unlike flat earthers.
To be clear, I think that trying to build up your personal self esteem by constantly comparing what one’s genetic ancestors did with what other people’s ancestors did, is a fools errand. I’m with Glenn Loury in taking a full ownership of the collective accomplishments of all humankind (at least to the same degree that everybody else does; how much the virtues or vices of previous people says anything about our own virtues and vices is questionable). So Glenn can claim kinship to any wisdom or brilliance derived from any continent, rather than only the subset attributable to African peoples. That means he has no need to lie about what his personal ancestors did in order to “win” a competition which is unneeded and irrelevant anyway.
Anyway, one offshoot of this tendency to invent a glorious ancestry is the idea that Africans were indigenous to all continents, but that has been suppressed. One video I recently watched was accusing all the Native American tribes of white supremacy, because they were outraged at Blacks claiming to be Native to the Americas.
Is it ironic to refer to African Americans as being indigenous to America? Or is it just being utterly ignorant?
I recently read a piece in a major news outlet, written by a 20-something journalist, who tried to tell his audience that African Americans are “indigenous” to the Continental US.
Language is becoming dissociated from meaning, the map from the territory – and I sense that this is a deliberate ploy in some quarters. Orwell understood it perfectly from his observations of Stalinists: control language and you control expression; control expression, you control dialogue, and eventually the political narrative.
A project is underway and if you try to protest it, you get gaslit with protestations that you’re being paranoid (entertainingly, thrown at you by the people most fond of accusing others of gaslighting them). I was sceptical, at first, that the current “moment” would cohere long enough to “stick” politically, but eventually it became clear that there are those who do not wish our culture well, and they’re not working from outside of it, either. Their project won’t end well for anyone, but that seems to be the nihilistic objective of the exercise.
“At a time when populism is a constant threat…”
I reckon I could quickly jot down impressive lists of threats to contemporary Western culture, to the population of the UK, or to me personally. Your choice.
I very much doubt that “populism” would feature in the first 100 entries of any of them.
“At a time when populism is a constant threat…”
I reckon I could quickly jot down impressive lists of threats to contemporary Western culture, to the population of the UK, or to me personally. Your choice.
I very much doubt that “populism” would feature in the first 100 entries of any of them.
I’m Sami, evidently, if you go back far enough !
I think (for what it’s worth) that this author, like others before them, seem to confuse ethnicity and culture. I watched a program about the Celts (Irish), presented be Ardal O’Hanlon, in which the same error occurred (I suspect ‘political’ points, with regard to immigration were trying to be made, if not out loud, about there being no Irish Celtic Race, and not being particularly Irish didn’t need preserving). I think race matters far less than culture, and what is, presumably, under threat is Sami culture, and not specifically ethnicity. This is happening, not just in Northern Scandinavia, but everywhere, all the time, the question is, is it worth preserving, and indeed is it at all possible in this ever more homogeneous world, particularly one in which white indigenous, even ancient, culture seems to be ever more toxic.
I’m Sami, evidently, if you go back far enough !
I think (for what it’s worth) that this author, like others before them, seem to confuse ethnicity and culture. I watched a program about the Celts (Irish), presented be Ardal O’Hanlon, in which the same error occurred (I suspect ‘political’ points, with regard to immigration were trying to be made, if not out loud, about there being no Irish Celtic Race, and not being particularly Irish didn’t need preserving). I think race matters far less than culture, and what is, presumably, under threat is Sami culture, and not specifically ethnicity. This is happening, not just in Northern Scandinavia, but everywhere, all the time, the question is, is it worth preserving, and indeed is it at all possible in this ever more homogeneous world, particularly one in which white indigenous, even ancient, culture seems to be ever more toxic.
The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, also known by the absurd acronym UNDRIP, should apply to the people of Western Europe, in particular Article 8, though I doubt that is the intention. When does a person cease being indigenous? Should I still be identifying as Iceni?
The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, also known by the absurd acronym UNDRIP, should apply to the people of Western Europe, in particular Article 8, though I doubt that is the intention. When does a person cease being indigenous? Should I still be identifying as Iceni?
This is a grave error by the Swedish Presidency of the Council of the EU because they ignore the current truism that white people are inherently, biologically colonial and therefore cannot claim to be indigenous to any location. Sami-supremacists have apparently infiltrated the highest reaches of European government.
I don’t think they’re ignoring it, I think they’re fully on board!
I don’t think they’re ignoring it, I think they’re fully on board!
This is a grave error by the Swedish Presidency of the Council of the EU because they ignore the current truism that white people are inherently, biologically colonial and therefore cannot claim to be indigenous to any location. Sami-supremacists have apparently infiltrated the highest reaches of European government.
This is an interesting article and the responses are as predicted on UnHerd. The Sami people extend across the north of Norway, Sweden and Finland. The question is, have they been incorporated into those countries or conquered and their customs suppressed – like the tribes in North America.
There are two ways of looking at this:- how many of their customs have been incorporated into the culture of the new countries and how many of their words are used in everyday spoken language. Are their words useful apart from when you are herding reindeer?
I think (maybe I’m wrong) that Sweden is the most advanced in trying to incorporate the Sami culture but this is true for all immigrants in Sweden – with mixed results. It would be interesting to get opinions from Norway and Finland.
I incorporate, you conquer and suppress customs, he ethnically cleanses.
I incorporate, you conquer and suppress customs, he ethnically cleanses.
This is an interesting article and the responses are as predicted on UnHerd. The Sami people extend across the north of Norway, Sweden and Finland. The question is, have they been incorporated into those countries or conquered and their customs suppressed – like the tribes in North America.
There are two ways of looking at this:- how many of their customs have been incorporated into the culture of the new countries and how many of their words are used in everyday spoken language. Are their words useful apart from when you are herding reindeer?
I think (maybe I’m wrong) that Sweden is the most advanced in trying to incorporate the Sami culture but this is true for all immigrants in Sweden – with mixed results. It would be interesting to get opinions from Norway and Finland.