So what? Good luck to them. They prefer to spend their money (which is sometimes our aid money) on exploring space. We prefer to spend it on insane wars, insane levels of public sector non-jobs, insane levels of welfare, housing thousands of asylum seekers in 4-star hotels, and all the rest of the insanity.
They are not exploring space out of curiosity, but to exploit advantage, and as every CCP industry has military function, it is to exploit space for military advantage.
Also UK is not in any insane wars, and such military adventures as it has, all are very much the situations which keep the military grounded in reality.
Without the Iraq war (where UK sat behind barbed wire in Basra impotently watching the war-Lords rampage outside, and finally they had to be escorted out by the USA Army as they would have been hurt badly without help, just leaving the base they hid in. – because the British Politicians forbade the Army from sustaining, or giving, any causalities less they lose votes. I imagine the military could have handled its self, but was led by donkeys.) (In Afghanistan it did fight, and is a much better force because of that. Aside from the Sgt Blackman incident where the Politicians turned on their own troops, prosecuting them for fighting in combat, and as it did to other poor Tommies there (as it did in NI) The British military would resemble the Met Police under Cressida Richard, and likely keeled at the Cenotaph, it it had not been for Afghanistan.
Charles Levett-Scrivener
3 years ago
wishful thinking; if China does not wish to change its behaviour it wont. Some of the actions noted above preceded President Xi.
It is more realistic for the UK to build launch sites (two at least, Cornwall, Northern Scotland), build our launch capability; see what civilian spin offs are possible: space manufacturing or solar panels with microwaves to send energy back to ground(?); prepare counter measures and defenses.
Last edited 3 years ago by Charles Levett-Scrivener
Kinda lousy weather for a spaceflight center. Launching from so far north will require a lot of extra energy.
G Matthews
3 years ago
Hmm, I wonder if Craig was at NASA when Bill Clinton was president, in which case he would know that it was Clinton who agreed to transfer the technology to China to launch satellites (before that transfer happened they had never managed to) and followed Clinton’s order to tranfer missile technology to China. The rest is history.
Bill Clinton! And Crazy Bush! And now Biden thinks Vlad Putin is his boyhood nemesis Corn-Pop and wants to fight him behind the pool house.
Auberon Linx
3 years ago
What a one-sided article. “China secretly struck deals with Russia” to gain new technologies – why is this problematic? It certainly appears less sinister than the fact that the US space program was built by Nazi scientists.
Also, the Chinese are not militarising space. They are trying to catch up with the US who have been working for decades to monopolise it in order to gain the upper hand in on-ground conflicts as well as potential access to non-Earth resources in future.
Having several powers competing in a new space race will lead to faster technological breakthroughs, as well as reassure those of us who are not enthused by a prospect of absolute dominance by a single entity, not even a supposedly benevolent one such as the States.
Instead of a pointless argument over who started the militarisation of space, let’s just acknowledge that China is not well-disposed towards the rest of the world and we have to choose. Do we want to be living in a society run on Chinese lines in 50 years time, or do we push back?
This is not a value judgement over whether Western or Chinese values are “better”. It’s simply a question of whether we want to be at least partially in control of our own destiny or not.
Michael Whittock
3 years ago
I fear Mr. Tiedman is telling just one side of the story. In my view the militarisation of space began in 1958 when Lyndon Johnson, then Senate Majority Leader convened some hearings in response to the Soviet Union’s launching of Sputnik in 1957. In a speech he said “Control of space means control of the world, far more certainly, far more totally than any control that has ever or could ever be achieved by weapons, or by troops of occupation”.
From that time the U,S, sought to develop and maintain dominance against the Soviet Union. President Reagan’s “Star Wars” initiative was the first attempt at developing orbital weaponry. The fall of the Soviet Union meant the U.S. was without peer in space. But in recent years it has become “spooked” by the rapid development of space activity by China. For example China made its first lunar landing in 2017 and has declared its aim to establish a base there. It also has a rover on its way to Mars. This has led to the establishment of the U.S. Space Force in 2019 by President Trump which has a budget of 15.4 billion dollars. It is busy deploying ASATs (anti-satellite missiles), as is China.
Warfare in space is becoming a possibility as a growing number of nations explore space independently. They are also seeking ways of capitalising on the establishment of bases and extracting valuable minerals from the moon and planets. There is always the danger that as space becomes heavily populated with satellites and space craft accidents will happen. In 2007 China tested an ASAT on an old weather satellite and the debris still poses a threat to other satellites today. In 2019 an IndianASAT test caused debris to come very close to the International Space Station. We can but pray that contrary to the General John Hyten of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff space warfare will not be “inevitable”.
Gary Greenbaum
3 years ago
I really am getting tired of the endless stream of articles here displaying Xi?-No!-phobia. The US wants to dominate space. No one nation should do so.
Ferrusian Gambit
3 years ago
The US could have had a moonbase in the 70s if they had wanted to.
So what? Good luck to them. They prefer to spend their money (which is sometimes our aid money) on exploring space. We prefer to spend it on insane wars, insane levels of public sector non-jobs, insane levels of welfare, housing thousands of asylum seekers in 4-star hotels, and all the rest of the insanity.
They are not exploring space out of curiosity, but to exploit advantage, and as every CCP industry has military function, it is to exploit space for military advantage.
Also UK is not in any insane wars, and such military adventures as it has, all are very much the situations which keep the military grounded in reality.
Without the Iraq war (where UK sat behind barbed wire in Basra impotently watching the war-Lords rampage outside, and finally they had to be escorted out by the USA Army as they would have been hurt badly without help, just leaving the base they hid in. – because the British Politicians forbade the Army from sustaining, or giving, any causalities less they lose votes. I imagine the military could have handled its self, but was led by donkeys.) (In Afghanistan it did fight, and is a much better force because of that. Aside from the Sgt Blackman incident where the Politicians turned on their own troops, prosecuting them for fighting in combat, and as it did to other poor Tommies there (as it did in NI) The British military would resemble the Met Police under Cressida Richard, and likely keeled at the Cenotaph, it it had not been for Afghanistan.
wishful thinking; if China does not wish to change its behaviour it wont. Some of the actions noted above preceded President Xi.
It is more realistic for the UK to build launch sites (two at least, Cornwall, Northern Scotland), build our launch capability; see what civilian spin offs are possible: space manufacturing or solar panels with microwaves to send energy back to ground(?); prepare counter measures and defenses.
Maybe one at Sibton Abbey as well?
Kinda lousy weather for a spaceflight center. Launching from so far north will require a lot of extra energy.
Hmm, I wonder if Craig was at NASA when Bill Clinton was president, in which case he would know that it was Clinton who agreed to transfer the technology to China to launch satellites (before that transfer happened they had never managed to) and followed Clinton’s order to tranfer missile technology to China. The rest is history.
Bill Clinton! And Crazy Bush! And now Biden thinks Vlad Putin is his boyhood nemesis Corn-Pop and wants to fight him behind the pool house.
What a one-sided article. “China secretly struck deals with Russia” to gain new technologies – why is this problematic? It certainly appears less sinister than the fact that the US space program was built by Nazi scientists.
Also, the Chinese are not militarising space. They are trying to catch up with the US who have been working for decades to monopolise it in order to gain the upper hand in on-ground conflicts as well as potential access to non-Earth resources in future.
Having several powers competing in a new space race will lead to faster technological breakthroughs, as well as reassure those of us who are not enthused by a prospect of absolute dominance by a single entity, not even a supposedly benevolent one such as the States.
Instead of a pointless argument over who started the militarisation of space, let’s just acknowledge that China is not well-disposed towards the rest of the world and we have to choose. Do we want to be living in a society run on Chinese lines in 50 years time, or do we push back?
This is not a value judgement over whether Western or Chinese values are “better”. It’s simply a question of whether we want to be at least partially in control of our own destiny or not.
I fear Mr. Tiedman is telling just one side of the story. In my view the militarisation of space began in 1958 when Lyndon Johnson, then Senate Majority Leader convened some hearings in response to the Soviet Union’s launching of Sputnik in 1957. In a speech he said “Control of space means control of the world, far more certainly, far more totally than any control that has ever or could ever be achieved by weapons, or by troops of occupation”.
From that time the U,S, sought to develop and maintain dominance against the Soviet Union. President Reagan’s “Star Wars” initiative was the first attempt at developing orbital weaponry. The fall of the Soviet Union meant the U.S. was without peer in space. But in recent years it has become “spooked” by the rapid development of space activity by China. For example China made its first lunar landing in 2017 and has declared its aim to establish a base there. It also has a rover on its way to Mars. This has led to the establishment of the U.S. Space Force in 2019 by President Trump which has a budget of 15.4 billion dollars. It is busy deploying ASATs (anti-satellite missiles), as is China.
Warfare in space is becoming a possibility as a growing number of nations explore space independently. They are also seeking ways of capitalising on the establishment of bases and extracting valuable minerals from the moon and planets. There is always the danger that as space becomes heavily populated with satellites and space craft accidents will happen. In 2007 China tested an ASAT on an old weather satellite and the debris still poses a threat to other satellites today. In 2019 an IndianASAT test caused debris to come very close to the International Space Station. We can but pray that contrary to the General John Hyten of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff space warfare will not be “inevitable”.
I really am getting tired of the endless stream of articles here displaying Xi?-No!-phobia. The US wants to dominate space. No one nation should do so.
The US could have had a moonbase in the 70s if they had wanted to.