I find it not so much as rational, as being less hysterically crazy than the mad Chivers.
A rational article would be laying out the sort of trials the lockdown making leaders need to undergo for their destruction of society as we once knew it. Remember – the real effects of these criminals who shut society and yet printed such excess money is that the future is likely to be another Great Depression – and for what? Only to have killed more people, shortened more lives, blighted more business, increased mental health problems, deaths of despair, addictions, abuse, social destructive and self destructive behaviors – LET alone the destruction of Rights and Freedoms we were guaranteed before these monsters began their unethical and criminal covid response – – Than if they had just allowed individual responsibility to manage the epidemic, like South Dakota and Sweden did.
Andrea X
2 years ago
Amen!
I read Chivers’s piece just before breakfast which wasn’t a good idea as it made my appetite go away.
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Johann Strauss
2 years ago
At last the voice of common sense to counter doom and gloom Chivers. Well done!
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Julian Farrows
2 years ago
Some people enjoy the drama of lockdown and are keen to embrace the new normal. It wouldn’t surprise me if we soon witness ‘Marches against Freedom’ if lockdown restrictions are lifted. The Babylon Bee is becoming less satire these days and more prophecy.
I am expecting loads of marches in the coming years demanding to be paid to sit at home, calling it ‘Equity’. Being paid to not work has become a new norm it would seem. Biden’s 4.7 Trillion ‘Human Infrastructure’ bill is mostly that – About 5 times what the USA spends on its Military!!!
Covid response has changed the West as much as WWII did (if you do not count the lives lost, just the economic, social, and political, technological changes – And not for the better.)
Bombing countries to rebuild them only to make them safe for McDonalds for a while is what the US Military has been doing at least since Korea in the 50s, if not since Teddy’s adventure in 1898, and that at the cost of many trillions of dollars, and an enormous proportion of the creative lives of millions of Americans. Spending 3.5 trillion for American citizens to sit on their hands for a while should come as quite a relief to People of Other Continents.
Read also David Graeber on Bllsht Jobs: the vast majority of what the MIC has been doing for decades is firmly in that category.
David Slade
2 years ago
A welcome return to sanity on Unherd after Mr Chivers early morning embrace of medievilism masquerading as public health. Maybe it’s something in his coffee.
J Bryant
2 years ago
I agree with the arguments made in this article. One question though: when did we ever see true exponential growth in case numbers?
The nobel laureate Michael Levitt, who has been banished to Twitter for questioning the wisdom of lockdowns, has carefully studied case numbers in various countries and, if I understand him correctly, concluded that the case numbers always follow an S-shaped curve, not the scarier exponential curve.
Can someone point me to a country where true exponential growth in covid cases was observed? Was that typical or an outlier?
It’s a very good point. Depending on how you define exponential growth (there have been localised surges, but they always peaked in the way Levitt and other level-headed data scientists suggest)
Of course, the lockdown advocates would respond that the reason we didn’t see more exponential growth was because of the restrictions imposed. When you mention ‘Sweden’ they stammer “low population density, good hygiene, higher rates of infection than Denmark or Norway”
None of which credibly explains why Sweden didn’t have expontentialgrowth.
Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago
How did this piece pass me by for most of the day. How uplifting and logical.
“How did this piece pass me by for most of the day?”
For the same reason we overlook the dowdy thrush with its beautiful song in favor of the gaudy, attention-seeking peacock. 🙂
This is indeed a more reasonable article but please journalists: first inform you about what you are writing about:
For instance: What is generally considered a case in covid in the media is only a positive test , a test which is not supposed to be used the way it is used currently by the government (would not be admissible in court). A real covid case is somebody with a set of symptoms the medical community agrees upon relates to covid and has a strong positive test (not the week positives used to ‘grow numbers’).
It is estimated that based on this: 5000 ‘cases as mentioned in the press and by the government’ represent on average one real covid case.
Further, covid has only changed (worsened) the health statistics for the over 65 or those with some underlying conditions.
etc etc etc
worth watching this for more info: https://www.questioneverything.io/
and check: http://www.globalcovidsummit.org
The rational sobriety of the article is uplifting. Thank you, Andrew Lilico.
I find it not so much as rational, as being less hysterically crazy than the mad Chivers.
A rational article would be laying out the sort of trials the lockdown making leaders need to undergo for their destruction of society as we once knew it. Remember – the real effects of these criminals who shut society and yet printed such excess money is that the future is likely to be another Great Depression – and for what? Only to have killed more people, shortened more lives, blighted more business, increased mental health problems, deaths of despair, addictions, abuse, social destructive and self destructive behaviors – LET alone the destruction of Rights and Freedoms we were guaranteed before these monsters began their unethical and criminal covid response – – Than if they had just allowed individual responsibility to manage the epidemic, like South Dakota and Sweden did.
Amen!
I read Chivers’s piece just before breakfast which wasn’t a good idea as it made my appetite go away.
At last the voice of common sense to counter doom and gloom Chivers. Well done!
Some people enjoy the drama of lockdown and are keen to embrace the new normal. It wouldn’t surprise me if we soon witness ‘Marches against Freedom’ if lockdown restrictions are lifted. The Babylon Bee is becoming less satire these days and more prophecy.
I am expecting loads of marches in the coming years demanding to be paid to sit at home, calling it ‘Equity’. Being paid to not work has become a new norm it would seem. Biden’s 4.7 Trillion ‘Human Infrastructure’ bill is mostly that – About 5 times what the USA spends on its Military!!!
Covid response has changed the West as much as WWII did (if you do not count the lives lost, just the economic, social, and political, technological changes – And not for the better.)
Bombing countries to rebuild them only to make them safe for McDonalds for a while is what the US Military has been doing at least since Korea in the 50s, if not since Teddy’s adventure in 1898, and that at the cost of many trillions of dollars, and an enormous proportion of the creative lives of millions of Americans. Spending 3.5 trillion for American citizens to sit on their hands for a while should come as quite a relief to People of Other Continents.
Read also David Graeber on Bllsht Jobs: the vast majority of what the MIC has been doing for decades is firmly in that category.
A welcome return to sanity on Unherd after Mr Chivers early morning embrace of medievilism masquerading as public health. Maybe it’s something in his coffee.
I agree with the arguments made in this article. One question though: when did we ever see true exponential growth in case numbers?
The nobel laureate Michael Levitt, who has been banished to Twitter for questioning the wisdom of lockdowns, has carefully studied case numbers in various countries and, if I understand him correctly, concluded that the case numbers always follow an S-shaped curve, not the scarier exponential curve.
Can someone point me to a country where true exponential growth in covid cases was observed? Was that typical or an outlier?
It’s a very good point. Depending on how you define exponential growth (there have been localised surges, but they always peaked in the way Levitt and other level-headed data scientists suggest)
Of course, the lockdown advocates would respond that the reason we didn’t see more exponential growth was because of the restrictions imposed. When you mention ‘Sweden’ they stammer “low population density, good hygiene, higher rates of infection than Denmark or Norway”
None of which credibly explains why Sweden didn’t have expontential growth.
How did this piece pass me by for most of the day. How uplifting and logical.
“How did this piece pass me by for most of the day?”
For the same reason we overlook the dowdy thrush with its beautiful song in favor of the gaudy, attention-seeking peacock. 🙂
That gave me a good laugh, thanks!
Finally someone speaking sense …
This is indeed a more reasonable article but please journalists: first inform you about what you are writing about:
For instance: What is generally considered a case in covid in the media is only a positive test , a test which is not supposed to be used the way it is used currently by the government (would not be admissible in court). A real covid case is somebody with a set of symptoms the medical community agrees upon relates to covid and has a strong positive test (not the week positives used to ‘grow numbers’).
It is estimated that based on this: 5000 ‘cases as mentioned in the press and by the government’ represent on average one real covid case.
Further, covid has only changed (worsened) the health statistics for the over 65 or those with some underlying conditions.
etc etc etc
worth watching this for more info: https://www.questioneverything.io/
and check: http://www.globalcovidsummit.org