In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood’s surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African and/or Hispanic communities. More than 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. So yes, the abortion debate would seem to have a lot to do with white supremacy and the management of non-white populations… but not in the way intended by the churnalists at FiveThirtyEight.
Prior to Roe, black women were 3 times more likely to die from illegal abortion. These women are getting abortions because they are poor, not because they enjoy getting abortions.
If we want to save babies, we need to put as much effort into protecting children outside the womb as “pro-lifers” put into protecting fetuses.
Most women do not “want” abortions, they get them out of pure economic desperation.
In the U.K., contraceptives are free however we still have women going for abortions. It’s not purely economic, it’s because frequently they don’t think it will happen to them. I have worked with young people who have stated they don’t want the pill because it messes with their menses and condoms are too finicky during the heat of passion and they’d rather risk it. Then there are those that want to trap the boyfriend with a baby and if that plan goes awry and it’s early enough an abortion….
We like to think that no woman would abort a child for any other reason than desperation but in the U.K. we have a female politician who stated that it’s no worse than going to the dentist and admitted to having one out of convenience. She isn’t alone.
I think they mostly get abortions because they carelessly got pregnant and they do not want a child. Also they know there is little or no chance of the father hanging around.
Do not pretend they are driven by economic desperation.
You’re missing Lennon’s point. He is not arguing for or against abortion. What he is saying is that the prohibition of abortion would decrease the proportion of the US population that is white and not, as FiveThirtyEight claim, increase the proportion.
To be fair to FiveThirtyEight their article recognises the stupidity of the claim that anti-abortion laws would not increase the proportion of the population that is white but ascribes the supposed racist basis for anti-abortion to the stupidity of those advocating anti-abortion legislation. Hence they argue the racist right “basically had to just make stuff up to justify what they wanted, which is for women — especially women of color — to not have any rights,” said Thompson, the historian.”
The FiveThreeEight article finds some quotes from some anti-black racists in favour of abortion to argue that all those against abortion are stupid so are in favour of banning abortion for a stupid reason. The fact that large portions of the population who are evidently not motivated by these stupid motives is simply skated over. The article commented on by the Unherd author is really so flimsy and absurd as not really to be worth commenting on.
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Frank McCusker
1 year ago
And, similarly, globally, more girl babies than boy babies are aborted. Something the abortionistas always gloss over.
R Wright
1 year ago
Ironically many actual far-rightists are in favour of Roe v Wade because it suppresses the black birth rate in the U.S considerably due to black women using the servive at a far higher rate than white women. In that sense, abortion clinics are a useful tool for those that oppose ‘the Great Replacement’.
Exactly. In one recent year, more black babies were aborted in the state of New York than were born. And I would imagine this applies most years. I am pro-choice, but the fact is that those who cheer for abortion are suppressing the black population.
So – In fact it’s the black women who are suppressing the black population. If the situation re many UK black fathers (disappearing and failing to support partner and child) is the same in the US then black men are equally responsible (or should that be irresponsible?)
I think it is common knowledge with regard to black women, at least in one recent year, in New York state.
Of course, this is a state where full term abortion is actively celebrated by while liberals and their fellow travellers.
Black women will still get abortions post-Roe. It is far easier today to obtain medications that cause abortion today than it was prior to Roe, especially in Mexico where a simple stop at a pharmacy will get you cheap abortion meds that you can take before crossing the border back home.
It is actually cheaper to get abortion meds in Mexico than it is to get an abortion in the USA, so poor women have been doing this – at least in Texas – for years now.
Overturning Roe won’t change anything for most poor women, who have not been able to afford legal abortions for decades.
Poor women will continue to risk their lives having home abortions until we start offering more support to them and their children.
Unless you believe poor women are poor because they are stupid, they will continue to have abortions until they bother to pay attention to sex education lessons at school.
Anna Bramwell
1 year ago
It is a strange thesis, given that many more black women have abortions than white women. In some southern states I read that 70% of abortions are carried out on black women.
The article the author is commenting on recognises the stupidity of the thesis that reducing the number of abortions would increase the proportion of white to black babies borne but having found a few stupid right wingers to quote ascribe these stupid views to all anti-abortion supporters. A thoroughly specious and duplicitous claim.
The sub-heading says it all: “A liberal publication makes a ludicrous claim”.
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Jim Davis
1 year ago
As others are handling the abortion thesis well I will weigh in on the issue of over prescription of antidepressants, in particular SSRIs. The side effects of SSRIs, in particular weight gain and loss of libido over long term use, are well known. A major new umbrella review, published on July 20 in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, suggests that depression is not likely caused by chemical imbalance, and calls into question what antidepressant medications do.
I think we have all known for years that these anti-depressants – and indeed most such drugs – are a giant racket.
Danny Miller
1 year ago
History contradicts any theory that the religious right, the staunchest pro-life demographic, is motivated by a desire to see fewer black or brown babies. It was the founder of Planned Parenthood, a vocal eugenicist, who conspired with black ministers to promote sterilization and birth control programs among young black women to reduce black birthrates. She wrote: “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members”.
Lest anyone think that her motives were noble and simply attempting to assist poor pregnant women, history will also show that she and the “progressive” left of the early 20th century believed as she once said ““The lack of balance between the birth rate of the “unfit” and the “fit,” admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. The example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken, should not be held up for emulation…. On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective. Possibly drastic and Spartan methods may be forced upon American society if it continues complacently to encourage the chance and chaotic breeding that has resulted from our stupid, cruel sentimentalism.”
Those considered “unfit” were not white middle and upper class Americans. “Sanger felt that poor people, disabled persons, and people of color should not reproduce, and she stated so quite openly. Her advocacy for birth control was rooted in part in a desire to advance a eugenic agenda”, an acknowledgement the abortion advocates have had to admit. Yes – people of color were targets for her programs because she actually was a racist. There is a reason why 80% of Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are still within walking distance of African American and or Hispanic communities. Pro-Life leaders had no role in the placement of these facilities. It is also completely illogical to suggest that Pro-Life proponents who have consistently argued that every life (“red, yellow, black and white”) is sacred and should be protected are secretly plotting to lower birthrates among people of color. The term “racist” is thrown about without any regard for truth today.
Saul D
1 year ago
FiveThirtyEight has some good data, but lousy columnists. For a site discussing polling, it’s seems totally unable to write taking the perspective of 40% of the US voting population – to explain their views in their words, taken from the data the site champions.
Anyone doing proper polling research has to be able to accurately understand all shades of opinion and to report it without bias, otherwise you end up misusing data and misleading your forecasts.
Instead it’s columnists repeatedly undermine and ignore representative data in order to follow a pre-written regurgitated script and talking points from one side of the aisle. Often, as in this case, expressing one-sided speculations that have no solid basis in the data they study.
I’m pro choice but not because I believe the line “my body my choice”, but because I believe in quality over quantity and we already have too many children in the care system. I deeply wish more women would embrace contraceptives and not use abortions as a form of emergency contraceptive but until that happens, I wouldn’t want to force these selfish and irresponsible women on innocent children.
In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women. Almost 80% of Planned Parenthood’s surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African and/or Hispanic communities. More than 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. So yes, the abortion debate would seem to have a lot to do with white supremacy and the management of non-white populations… but not in the way intended by the churnalists at FiveThirtyEight.
Prior to Roe, black women were 3 times more likely to die from illegal abortion. These women are getting abortions because they are poor, not because they enjoy getting abortions.
If we want to save babies, we need to put as much effort into protecting children outside the womb as “pro-lifers” put into protecting fetuses.
Most women do not “want” abortions, they get them out of pure economic desperation.
In the U.K., contraceptives are free however we still have women going for abortions. It’s not purely economic, it’s because frequently they don’t think it will happen to them. I have worked with young people who have stated they don’t want the pill because it messes with their menses and condoms are too finicky during the heat of passion and they’d rather risk it. Then there are those that want to trap the boyfriend with a baby and if that plan goes awry and it’s early enough an abortion….
We like to think that no woman would abort a child for any other reason than desperation but in the U.K. we have a female politician who stated that it’s no worse than going to the dentist and admitted to having one out of convenience. She isn’t alone.
I think they mostly get abortions because they carelessly got pregnant and they do not want a child. Also they know there is little or no chance of the father hanging around.
Do not pretend they are driven by economic desperation.
? A p***s shot the bullet?
You’re missing Lennon’s point. He is not arguing for or against abortion. What he is saying is that the prohibition of abortion would decrease the proportion of the US population that is white and not, as FiveThirtyEight claim, increase the proportion.
To be fair to FiveThirtyEight their article recognises the stupidity of the claim that anti-abortion laws would not increase the proportion of the population that is white but ascribes the supposed racist basis for anti-abortion to the stupidity of those advocating anti-abortion legislation. Hence they argue the racist right “basically had to just make stuff up to justify what they wanted, which is for women — especially women of color — to not have any rights,” said Thompson, the historian.”
The FiveThreeEight article finds some quotes from some anti-black racists in favour of abortion to argue that all those against abortion are stupid so are in favour of banning abortion for a stupid reason. The fact that large portions of the population who are evidently not motivated by these stupid motives is simply skated over. The article commented on by the Unherd author is really so flimsy and absurd as not really to be worth commenting on.
And, similarly, globally, more girl babies than boy babies are aborted. Something the abortionistas always gloss over.
Ironically many actual far-rightists are in favour of Roe v Wade because it suppresses the black birth rate in the U.S considerably due to black women using the servive at a far higher rate than white women. In that sense, abortion clinics are a useful tool for those that oppose ‘the Great Replacement’.
Exactly. In one recent year, more black babies were aborted in the state of New York than were born. And I would imagine this applies most years. I am pro-choice, but the fact is that those who cheer for abortion are suppressing the black population.
So – In fact it’s the black women who are suppressing the black population. If the situation re many UK black fathers (disappearing and failing to support partner and child) is the same in the US then black men are equally responsible (or should that be irresponsible?)
More babies aborted than born – where did you read that? I’d like to learn more about that statistic
I think it is common knowledge with regard to black women, at least in one recent year, in New York state.
Of course, this is a state where full term abortion is actively celebrated by while liberals and their fellow travellers.
Black women will still get abortions post-Roe. It is far easier today to obtain medications that cause abortion today than it was prior to Roe, especially in Mexico where a simple stop at a pharmacy will get you cheap abortion meds that you can take before crossing the border back home.
It is actually cheaper to get abortion meds in Mexico than it is to get an abortion in the USA, so poor women have been doing this – at least in Texas – for years now.
Overturning Roe won’t change anything for most poor women, who have not been able to afford legal abortions for decades.
Poor women will continue to risk their lives having home abortions until we start offering more support to them and their children.
Unless you believe poor women are poor because they are stupid, they will continue to have abortions until they bother to pay attention to sex education lessons at school.
It is a strange thesis, given that many more black women have abortions than white women. In some southern states I read that 70% of abortions are carried out on black women.
When you control for poverty, you will find the abortion rate is the same for black women & white women.
How can poverty be the only differential? Religion, culture and social pressures must also make play their part
The article the author is commenting on recognises the stupidity of the thesis that reducing the number of abortions would increase the proportion of white to black babies borne but having found a few stupid right wingers to quote ascribe these stupid views to all anti-abortion supporters. A thoroughly specious and duplicitous claim.
The sub-heading says it all: “A liberal publication makes a ludicrous claim”.
As others are handling the abortion thesis well I will weigh in on the issue of over prescription of antidepressants, in particular SSRIs. The side effects of SSRIs, in particular weight gain and loss of libido over long term use, are well known. A major new umbrella review, published on July 20 in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, suggests that depression is not likely caused by chemical imbalance, and calls into question what antidepressant medications do.
I think we have all known for years that these anti-depressants – and indeed most such drugs – are a giant racket.
History contradicts any theory that the religious right, the staunchest pro-life demographic, is motivated by a desire to see fewer black or brown babies. It was the founder of Planned Parenthood, a vocal eugenicist, who conspired with black ministers to promote sterilization and birth control programs among young black women to reduce black birthrates. She wrote: “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members”.
Lest anyone think that her motives were noble and simply attempting to assist poor pregnant women, history will also show that she and the “progressive” left of the early 20th century believed as she once said ““The lack of balance between the birth rate of the “unfit” and the “fit,” admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. The example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken, should not be held up for emulation…. On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective. Possibly drastic and Spartan methods may be forced upon American society if it continues complacently to encourage the chance and chaotic breeding that has resulted from our stupid, cruel sentimentalism.”
Those considered “unfit” were not white middle and upper class Americans. “Sanger felt that poor people, disabled persons, and people of color should not reproduce, and she stated so quite openly. Her advocacy for birth control was rooted in part in a desire to advance a eugenic agenda”, an acknowledgement the abortion advocates have had to admit.
Yes – people of color were targets for her programs because she actually was a racist. There is a reason why 80% of Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are still within walking distance of African American and or Hispanic communities. Pro-Life leaders had no role in the placement of these facilities.
It is also completely illogical to suggest that Pro-Life proponents who have consistently argued that every life (“red, yellow, black and white”) is sacred and should be protected are secretly plotting to lower birthrates among people of color. The term “racist” is thrown about without any regard for truth today.
FiveThirtyEight has some good data, but lousy columnists. For a site discussing polling, it’s seems totally unable to write taking the perspective of 40% of the US voting population – to explain their views in their words, taken from the data the site champions.
Anyone doing proper polling research has to be able to accurately understand all shades of opinion and to report it without bias, otherwise you end up misusing data and misleading your forecasts.
Instead it’s columnists repeatedly undermine and ignore representative data in order to follow a pre-written regurgitated script and talking points from one side of the aisle. Often, as in this case, expressing one-sided speculations that have no solid basis in the data they study.
Agreed. 538 article is nothing more than specious propaganda.
I appreciate comedian Bill Burr’s take on this topic. He’s pro-choice, but readily admits that abortion really is about the killing of a baby.
I’m pro choice but not because I believe the line “my body my choice”, but because I believe in quality over quantity and we already have too many children in the care system. I deeply wish more women would embrace contraceptives and not use abortions as a form of emergency contraceptive but until that happens, I wouldn’t want to force these selfish and irresponsible women on innocent children.
So you’re saying it’s mercy killing