Isn’t it strange how those who pine for mother Russia and it’s old Soviet waves don’t make that journey if you 100m over the border to live there. I am more than happy to live in an advanced Western European nation with the highest standard of living and and low corruption with a good justice system. Probably not but you would find if they crossed the border into Russia.
Maybe the Estonian government could make Narva a nicer place by deporting all those who seem to hate Estonia so much
Most of their views come from Russian TV, especially WRT the elderly. It provides a coherent view of the world, although one we wouldn’t recognize.
But given the increasing use of the internet by the young, it’s a view that wont prevail much longer.
After Putin exploited Russian minorities in Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine to forcefully promote his ‘racial unity’, the Estonians are merely anticipating being his next target, so snuffing out Russian culture pronto is a very sensible move. Tough *hit for the ethnic Russians, but they can always move a couple of miles over the border.
One does wonder whether the Russian minorities scattered across all these ex-USSR republics are not in fact the remnants of the Russian/Soviet empire and colonisation. To some extent, that must be true. Yet while we condemn British imperialism (where the colonists largely left and went home to Britain), nothing is ever said about Russian imperialism.
A week ago, I was in the former East Germany. Apparently, there were 500K Soviet soldiers garrisoned there during the Cold War. That was around 1 in 15 of the total population. But they at least went home.
There is a film where Hitler read an ultimatum presented to the Germans to leave a territory they just conquered. Hitler noted…this from England who owns India, this from England who own Burma, this from England who owns Egypt, this from England who owns Gibraltar….he went on and on, noting all countries England had conquered. As one English sociologist put it, England holds the world record for having filched by force more territory than any country in the world. The United States is second on that list. The Brits are now saying how could Taiwan be Chinese, when England, without shame, is sitting on Gibraltar which they stole from Spain and on many other territories no where remotely near to England and calls them England. The motto was The sun never set on the English Empire. The reason why, one British parliamentarian noted, God never trusted the English in the dark.
Did you actually read my comment about decolonisation (hint: not colonisation) or are you just coming here to vent a rant ?
Please try to make a “reply” relevant to the preceding comment.
If you want to rant about the British Empire I suggest you can find alternative articles where this applies.
Gibraltar was not stolen, it was ceded to Britain in 1713 as part of a complex set of territorial measures in the Treaties of Utrecht. In return, Britain withdrew from the War of Spanish Succession. This was to the benefit of Spain as well as Britain. If you are ignorant of history, please don’t pontificate on it.
In 2002 Gibraltarians voted to remain British and against shared sovereignty by 99% to 1%. I presume you agree with the UN on the importance of self-determination.
So you quote Hitler to educate us.
I should have thought that Russia was the country which had filched the greatest territory by force. The majority is still occupied, while the parts which left around 30 years ago are now worried they might be reconquered.
One of my best friends is an Estonian – she was my lodger for several years while we both did our PhD’s. If/when the schidt goes down, she’s coming back to live at mine with her kids.
“Snuffing out Russian culture” is precisely the pretext Putin wants, and it also is part of the definition of Genocide. Get a grip, minorities are a challenge for any state, but you can’t wipe them out.
You genocide comment is just nonsense.
Russians in Baltic States are descendants of Russian colonisers who were planted there by Stalin after Russia invaded in 1940.
For obvious reasons, Baltic States want loyal citizens and not Russian “5th columnists”.
Those who believe that their main loyalty is to Russia should move there.
This problem is not that dissimilar to many communities in uk.
Norman Tebbit called it “cricket test”.
Um, no. Deporting minorities is not acceptable behaviour for an ‘advanced Western European nation’. If Russia got even the faintest sniff that Estonia was thinking like this, what on earth do you think they’d do!?
Deporting traitors who accepted Russian passports is perfectly sensible response.
No one is advocating deporting people who just speak Russian.
Anyway, Russia is depopulating, so surely they would welcome new citizen?
You seam to have zero understanding of this part of Europe.
Demographically, Russia is shrinking. It can ill afford the loss of young men who are being wiped out in Putin’s war and the talented young people who are emigrating to the West. It is a country with a population far smaller than that of Pakistan or Bangladesh but with a land mass ludicrously oversized for its shrinking population. It faces a future of dwindling size and influence.
Not forced deportation, you give those who want it the option. They appear to want their part of Estonia,much like Eastern Ukraine to become russian territory. If you want to be russian you know where to go. If you want to be Estonian stop your bitching and support your country against your aggressive neighbours.
martin logan
1 year ago
It’s also a city that Russians don’t like to talk about much.
Peter the Great’s first battle there ended in a total–rout much like the one outside Kyiv and Kharkiv. It was largely due to personnel problems almost identical to what Putin now faces in Donbas and Kherson.
Putin’s version of Russian history requires one to forget a lot more than one remembers.
And that can be fatal in war.
mike martin
1 year ago
Putin’s predation on Ukraine and his criminal distortion of history resulted in my wife and I becoming refugees, forced to leave our Ukraine home. Putin is a tyrant and must be opposed by the Free World. Estonia is doing a fine job in that cause. Brainwashed Russians without the stomach for liberty are free to leave its precinct (plenty of room in Russia). My wife and I comfort ourselves reading Ukraineliberty.wordpress.com it is the story of the refugee trail but also of Ukraine and the warped world of Putin’s Russia. Funny, sad, informative, inspiring.
Dick Mitchell
1 year ago
What a unique blend of interviewees. A drinker, a poet, and an artist. Are there no productive people to be interviewed in Estonia?
More news from this part of the world is welcome, though.
MEP and Art gallery manager. Isn’t that productive enough? As the article indicates discussing geopolitics is sensitive and probably not a lot of citizens want to divulge their feelings and leanings.
R Wright
1 year ago
There seems to be a running theme when it comes to agitating minorities on a national border. Perhaps there should be a population exchange like in 1920s Greece?
Or like in post Yalta Poland in 1945 and then in 1956, when Polish citizens of what is now Western Ukraine were “persuaded” to leave.
Problem is that Russian citizens of Baltic States have EU passport.
Only old and thick would exchange that for Mother Russia.
Baltic States quite correctly are taking steps to cancel citizenship of traitors who accepted Russian passports.
Isn’t it strange how those who pine for mother Russia and it’s old Soviet waves don’t make that journey if you 100m over the border to live there. I am more than happy to live in an advanced Western European nation with the highest standard of living and and low corruption with a good justice system. Probably not but you would find if they crossed the border into Russia.
Maybe the Estonian government could make Narva a nicer place by deporting all those who seem to hate Estonia so much
Most of their views come from Russian TV, especially WRT the elderly. It provides a coherent view of the world, although one we wouldn’t recognize.
But given the increasing use of the internet by the young, it’s a view that wont prevail much longer.
After Putin exploited Russian minorities in Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine to forcefully promote his ‘racial unity’, the Estonians are merely anticipating being his next target, so snuffing out Russian culture pronto is a very sensible move. Tough *hit for the ethnic Russians, but they can always move a couple of miles over the border.
One does wonder whether the Russian minorities scattered across all these ex-USSR republics are not in fact the remnants of the Russian/Soviet empire and colonisation. To some extent, that must be true. Yet while we condemn British imperialism (where the colonists largely left and went home to Britain), nothing is ever said about Russian imperialism.
A week ago, I was in the former East Germany. Apparently, there were 500K Soviet soldiers garrisoned there during the Cold War. That was around 1 in 15 of the total population. But they at least went home.
There is a film where Hitler read an ultimatum presented to the Germans to leave a territory they just conquered. Hitler noted…this from England who owns India, this from England who own Burma, this from England who owns Egypt, this from England who owns Gibraltar….he went on and on, noting all countries England had conquered. As one English sociologist put it, England holds the world record for having filched by force more territory than any country in the world. The United States is second on that list. The Brits are now saying how could Taiwan be Chinese, when England, without shame, is sitting on Gibraltar which they stole from Spain and on many other territories no where remotely near to England and calls them England. The motto was The sun never set on the English Empire. The reason why, one British parliamentarian noted, God never trusted the English in the dark.
Did you actually read my comment about decolonisation (hint: not colonisation) or are you just coming here to vent a rant ?
Please try to make a “reply” relevant to the preceding comment.
If you want to rant about the British Empire I suggest you can find alternative articles where this applies.
Thanks for flushing away the woke poo.
Wasn’t conquering new territories pretty much the norm for say, 2000 years?
Gibraltar was not stolen, it was ceded to Britain in 1713 as part of a complex set of territorial measures in the Treaties of Utrecht. In return, Britain withdrew from the War of Spanish Succession. This was to the benefit of Spain as well as Britain. If you are ignorant of history, please don’t pontificate on it.
In 2002 Gibraltarians voted to remain British and against shared sovereignty by 99% to 1%. I presume you agree with the UN on the importance of self-determination.
Perhaps he’d like the Spanish Netherlands to be returned, too.
So you quote Hitler to educate us.
I should have thought that Russia was the country which had filched the greatest territory by force. The majority is still occupied, while the parts which left around 30 years ago are now worried they might be reconquered.
One of my best friends is an Estonian – she was my lodger for several years while we both did our PhD’s. If/when the schidt goes down, she’s coming back to live at mine with her kids.
Why the downvote? In what way is it wrong to help refugees?
“Snuffing out Russian culture” is precisely the pretext Putin wants, and it also is part of the definition of Genocide. Get a grip, minorities are a challenge for any state, but you can’t wipe them out.
You genocide comment is just nonsense.
Russians in Baltic States are descendants of Russian colonisers who were planted there by Stalin after Russia invaded in 1940.
For obvious reasons, Baltic States want loyal citizens and not Russian “5th columnists”.
Those who believe that their main loyalty is to Russia should move there.
This problem is not that dissimilar to many communities in uk.
Norman Tebbit called it “cricket test”.
Um, no. Deporting minorities is not acceptable behaviour for an ‘advanced Western European nation’. If Russia got even the faintest sniff that Estonia was thinking like this, what on earth do you think they’d do!?
Deporting traitors who accepted Russian passports is perfectly sensible response.
No one is advocating deporting people who just speak Russian.
Anyway, Russia is depopulating, so surely they would welcome new citizen?
You seam to have zero understanding of this part of Europe.
Demographically, Russia is shrinking. It can ill afford the loss of young men who are being wiped out in Putin’s war and the talented young people who are emigrating to the West. It is a country with a population far smaller than that of Pakistan or Bangladesh but with a land mass ludicrously oversized for its shrinking population. It faces a future of dwindling size and influence.
Not forced deportation, you give those who want it the option. They appear to want their part of Estonia,much like Eastern Ukraine to become russian territory. If you want to be russian you know where to go. If you want to be Estonian stop your bitching and support your country against your aggressive neighbours.
It’s also a city that Russians don’t like to talk about much.
Peter the Great’s first battle there ended in a total–rout much like the one outside Kyiv and Kharkiv. It was largely due to personnel problems almost identical to what Putin now faces in Donbas and Kherson.
Putin’s version of Russian history requires one to forget a lot more than one remembers.
And that can be fatal in war.
Putin’s predation on Ukraine and his criminal distortion of history resulted in my wife and I becoming refugees, forced to leave our Ukraine home. Putin is a tyrant and must be opposed by the Free World. Estonia is doing a fine job in that cause. Brainwashed Russians without the stomach for liberty are free to leave its precinct (plenty of room in Russia). My wife and I comfort ourselves reading Ukraineliberty.wordpress.com it is the story of the refugee trail but also of Ukraine and the warped world of Putin’s Russia. Funny, sad, informative, inspiring.
What a unique blend of interviewees. A drinker, a poet, and an artist. Are there no productive people to be interviewed in Estonia?
More news from this part of the world is welcome, though.
MEP and Art gallery manager. Isn’t that productive enough? As the article indicates discussing geopolitics is sensitive and probably not a lot of citizens want to divulge their feelings and leanings.
There seems to be a running theme when it comes to agitating minorities on a national border. Perhaps there should be a population exchange like in 1920s Greece?
My Greek/Turkish history is very poor, but wasn’t that a disaster that resulted in mass murders and starvation/hounding on both sides?
There was much suffering, but if it hadn’t happened a century later there’d be constant wars between the two countries.
Or like in post Yalta Poland in 1945 and then in 1956, when Polish citizens of what is now Western Ukraine were “persuaded” to leave.
Problem is that Russian citizens of Baltic States have EU passport.
Only old and thick would exchange that for Mother Russia.
Baltic States quite correctly are taking steps to cancel citizenship of traitors who accepted Russian passports.
I know I’ve said this before, but what is your problem with the word “the”?
Too definite for his liking.