We read and hear the same thing about women all the time…
Women can’t do this or that (insert some completely normal physical activity) because or their biology/hormones, etc.
Sam May
7 months ago
Don’t forget this lede… “he and his American partner, Tyler McBeth, plan to have sons via surrogacy”
They plan to have sons, not daughters. They will abort any females? Will their sons be gay – happy and carefree, living a delightful life of insouciance? No worries? No trials? No agendas that weigh one down.
Think of the downstream consequences of gay men having sons and gay women having daughters.
“Let’s call the whole thing off!” Gershwin and Ella and Louis
The only way that gay male couples can have babies is by stealing them from women. It’s a complete travesty of nature to allow gay male couples to have children. It means that the work of some woman is going to be taken from her by monetary coercion. This should not be allowed.
Well, at least until the time when fertile women will be required to donate a certain percentage of their eggs to the state—kind of like some countries’ requiring a couple years of military service from their young.
If that ever happens then I suppose men will also be required to donate.
The resulting embryos could then be gestated in artificial wombs to rebuild the population of countries with rapidly declining populations… which frankly is almost every country outside of Africa.
Countries such as China might certainly be expected to invest hugely in such an effort.
Well, Gay Couples should be allowed to adopt, if they meet the criteria.
Mike Downing
7 months ago
Come now Mary; Alexis Tsipras himself joked after gaining power that the party didn’t have more than a few years to ‘change society’ because in that time they’d have become as bad as everybody else (cue cheesy canned laughter).
Pragmatic, realistic or just plain cynical ? Starmer, and all the other Lords and Ladies in the current Labour Party can’t seriously believe any of their lukewarm, half-hearted pseudo-Socialist rhetoric any more, can they ?
As for Wombs’R’Us (I’m open to capital offers for my exciting, new, niche venture – being a G myself, I think I understand the market and can bridge the gap between the consumers and producers) the vampire squid has successfully colonised every corner of our lives.
I can’t imagine any change now apart from the complete collapse of the whole pack of cards but the fallout is too mind-boggling to contemplate.
Pat Davers
7 months ago
It always struck me that the liberal feminists who were all too eager to cosplay as “handmaidens” at the time of Donald Trump’s election might have had their sights trained in the wrong direction….
(And yes, they certainly did seem “over-eager” in their dressing up. This might be indicative of some sort of repressed desire, but I really don’t want to go there….)
Have you read The Handmaid’s Tale? I did, when it first came out. I was chilled to the bone by the opening scenario: Guess how the repressive Christianist government gained such total and instant control over women?
They froze their access to money. Froze their bank accounts, ATM cards, credit cards—that’s how.
Back then, I consoled myself with the idea that this sort of power could never be exercised overnight in the real Western world.
Allison Barrows
7 months ago
Both those guys would look at home in a uniform by Hugo Boss.
Sheryl Rhodes
7 months ago
“Universal Basic Uterus.” I love it! Could also be phrased as “Universal Basic Uterine Access.”
But I’m just a uterus-haver with a front-hole—what do I know?
William Amos
7 months ago
There is one figure even more powerless, voiceless and coopted in this transaction than the unnamed mother and that is the child who is brought forth into this world in a situation of manufactured motherlessness.
We are utterly adrift.
Sharon Overy
7 months ago
Equality would be that gay couples were considered as potential adoptive parents according to the same metrics and conditions as straight couples, neither favoured nor disadvantaged for being gay.
As Mary says, the ‘inequality’ here is biological, not social, and therefore not a matter of legislation regardless of the sex or sexuality of the people wanting this ‘service’.
Tyler Durden
7 months ago
This is a good characterisation of the modern identitarian Left as wedded both to the neoliberal impulses of today’s market societies AND these new tendencies towards transhumanism betraying a F-scist instinct which has arisen in a somewhat accelerated form in the last 10 years.
My only explanation for this phenomenon is that the Internet and partisan realignment along ‘culture war’ lines (liberal vs conservative blocs) have remoulded the human psyche, and this has been particularly pronounced for the liberal Left.
Mike Downing
7 months ago
PS Presumably, Tyler is a shoe-in for Lady MacBeth. If she doesn’t get the ‘baby they deserve’ according to their busy schedule, it won’t be long before she’ll be tweeting ‘Come to my woman’s breasts (? I saw that YT video – I kid you not) and take my milk (oatmeal latte?) for gall’.
Frank Scavelli
6 months ago
Really great insight into the way the ‘Left’s’ various social issues all represent the apex and speartip of capitalism’s increasing control over every aspect of reality.
William Shaw
7 months ago
At some point in the future the artificial womb will make all of this controversy irrelevant… and probably (at least initially) replace it with an alternative controversy.
A massive Chinese effort in this area to replace their declining population is a real possibility.
I see. Men can’t have babies because society is prejudiced. No wonder I didn’t get a stellar mark in my O-level biology exam.
I was tempted to quote Alexander Armstrong but it would get me banned
We read and hear the same thing about women all the time…
Women can’t do this or that (insert some completely normal physical activity) because or their biology/hormones, etc.
Don’t forget this lede… “he and his American partner, Tyler McBeth, plan to have sons via surrogacy”
They plan to have sons, not daughters. They will abort any females? Will their sons be gay – happy and carefree, living a delightful life of insouciance? No worries? No trials? No agendas that weigh one down.
Think of the downstream consequences of gay men having sons and gay women having daughters.
“Let’s call the whole thing off!” Gershwin and Ella and Louis
That jumped out at me as well.
The only way that gay male couples can have babies is by stealing them from women. It’s a complete travesty of nature to allow gay male couples to have children. It means that the work of some woman is going to be taken from her by monetary coercion. This should not be allowed.
That’s crazy talk.
Whoever the woman is, I’m sure she will be a willing and eager recipient of a significant amount of cash.
Well, at least until the time when fertile women will be required to donate a certain percentage of their eggs to the state—kind of like some countries’ requiring a couple years of military service from their young.
If that ever happens then I suppose men will also be required to donate.
The resulting embryos could then be gestated in artificial wombs to rebuild the population of countries with rapidly declining populations… which frankly is almost every country outside of Africa.
Countries such as China might certainly be expected to invest hugely in such an effort.
I don’t think you understand what gestation entails
Thus, Aldous Huxley’s book, Brave New World, will become reality…
Great
So are some of the people who give their kidnies
Women construing their bodies as industrial complexes that exist to siphon and produce money is the problem.
Well, Gay Couples should be allowed to adopt, if they meet the criteria.
Come now Mary; Alexis Tsipras himself joked after gaining power that the party didn’t have more than a few years to ‘change society’ because in that time they’d have become as bad as everybody else (cue cheesy canned laughter).
Pragmatic, realistic or just plain cynical ? Starmer, and all the other Lords and Ladies in the current Labour Party can’t seriously believe any of their lukewarm, half-hearted pseudo-Socialist rhetoric any more, can they ?
As for Wombs’R’Us (I’m open to capital offers for my exciting, new, niche venture – being a G myself, I think I understand the market and can bridge the gap between the consumers and producers) the vampire squid has successfully colonised every corner of our lives.
I can’t imagine any change now apart from the complete collapse of the whole pack of cards but the fallout is too mind-boggling to contemplate.
It always struck me that the liberal feminists who were all too eager to cosplay as “handmaidens” at the time of Donald Trump’s election might have had their sights trained in the wrong direction….
(And yes, they certainly did seem “over-eager” in their dressing up. This might be indicative of some sort of repressed desire, but I really don’t want to go there….)
Have you read The Handmaid’s Tale? I did, when it first came out. I was chilled to the bone by the opening scenario: Guess how the repressive Christianist government gained such total and instant control over women?
They froze their access to money. Froze their bank accounts, ATM cards, credit cards—that’s how.
Back then, I consoled myself with the idea that this sort of power could never be exercised overnight in the real Western world.
Both those guys would look at home in a uniform by Hugo Boss.
“Universal Basic Uterus.” I love it! Could also be phrased as “Universal Basic Uterine Access.”
But I’m just a uterus-haver with a front-hole—what do I know?
There is one figure even more powerless, voiceless and coopted in this transaction than the unnamed mother and that is the child who is brought forth into this world in a situation of manufactured motherlessness.
We are utterly adrift.
Equality would be that gay couples were considered as potential adoptive parents according to the same metrics and conditions as straight couples, neither favoured nor disadvantaged for being gay.
As Mary says, the ‘inequality’ here is biological, not social, and therefore not a matter of legislation regardless of the sex or sexuality of the people wanting this ‘service’.
This is a good characterisation of the modern identitarian Left as wedded both to the neoliberal impulses of today’s market societies AND these new tendencies towards transhumanism betraying a F-scist instinct which has arisen in a somewhat accelerated form in the last 10 years.
My only explanation for this phenomenon is that the Internet and partisan realignment along ‘culture war’ lines (liberal vs conservative blocs) have remoulded the human psyche, and this has been particularly pronounced for the liberal Left.
PS Presumably, Tyler is a shoe-in for Lady MacBeth. If she doesn’t get the ‘baby they deserve’ according to their busy schedule, it won’t be long before she’ll be tweeting ‘Come to my woman’s breasts (? I saw that YT video – I kid you not) and take my milk (oatmeal latte?) for gall’.
Really great insight into the way the ‘Left’s’ various social issues all represent the apex and speartip of capitalism’s increasing control over every aspect of reality.
At some point in the future the artificial womb will make all of this controversy irrelevant… and probably (at least initially) replace it with an alternative controversy.
A massive Chinese effort in this area to replace their declining population is a real possibility.