As we now know, lockdowns had very little effect on the spread of the virus.
Maybe it’s the crowd I mix with, but most of them are still arguing that lockdowns saved countless thousands of lives.
They will not countenance any suggestion that there was a choice, with benefits and costs to be weighed, and most of our governments made the wrong one, and will never admit it.
What about Canada? We had harsh lockdowns, but only a fraction of the U.S covid deaths. Lockdowns also saved the overworked healthcare system from collapse. There is still debate needed as to what degree of lockdown was needed. Lockdowns varied across Canadian provinces. Some unnecessarily harsher than others. Sometimes hard choices must be made. Hindsight makes it all look easy.
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Andrew Horsman
1 year ago
Clearly the lockdowns-save-lives narrative has totally collapsed. I feel for the people on the left, the right and the centre who trumpeted it so proudly, so loudly, and so utterly destructively. I also feel for those innocents still trapped in the narrative who are going to be jolted out of the somnolence sooner or later. It will weigh on the conscience of those good people across the political spectrum who made those panicky decisions until their dying day. I hope they can reconcile and forgive themselves for what they did.
One can only hope that that reckoning will allow them to come to analyse the effects of the pharmaceutical interventions in a more objective, cold light of day and with the benefit of an increasing amount of hindsight. The sad truth might be, though, that there is no long term profit to be made in permanent economic shutdown, but there is profit to made in perpetuating pharmaceutical interventions; and this will make any objective reckoning a lot harder. If DeSantis can rise to that challenge without fear or favour to either side of what is a horribly toxic debate and in a way that can help bring people back together, then – literally, by goodness – would that not make him the most deserving recipient of the keys to the White House that there has been for a very long time?
“I feel for the people on the left, the right and the centre who trumpeted [lockdowns] so proudly”
I don’t. And I’ve not seen ANY mea culpa from them yet.
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Adam Bacon
1 year ago
One can but hope that the midterms spell the end for Trumpism.
It seems to me that Ron DeSantis represents the best chance we have of maintaining a relatively free and hopefully democratic Western civilization (small d, capital W), in the face of the corporate, Democrat, Big Pharma coup.
Funny how often the autocrats label themselves as democrats eg East Germany, North Korea.
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Arkadian X
1 year ago
“We now know that those 15 days turned into months, then well over a year”
Indeed… What was it, three weeks to flatten the curve?
Anyway, I recently happened to see a video from a few days ago of a rehearsal in a Californian opera House. Singers and musicians were masked, over 2.5 years after that fateful press conference!!
(I understand that the mask mandate has now been removed).
Russell David
1 year ago
Do run Ron, do run Ron.
He’s the man who can not only save the US, but possibly the world from the woke globalist utopians who despise personal freedom and want us all in boxes like chicken eggs.
Stephen Walsh
1 year ago
That tweat of April 30th could cost Trump the Presidency. Pitiful for a supposed disrupter to join the pile on against Sweden standing alone against the global forces quite frankly of evil. Lockdowners were determined to shut down society, and to deprive children of their education, the lonely of company, the poor of their livelihoods, the abused and vulnerable of refuge, small businesses of their future, and the powerless of personal autonomy and dignity. What a fraud Trump showed himself to be when tested.
I think the Teaching Unions had a big say in all this – seeing an opportunity to increase their political presence and flex their muscles. For them, it was never about the children.
M. Gatt
1 year ago
Much of Africa continued on during the covid period with few restrictions.
Glyn R
1 year ago
From the so-called enquiry into how Covid was responded to in this country it is clear that those responsible for the imposition of frankly evil lockdowns will never take responsibility for the devastating consequences they unleashed. We can see it in the way they – see the awful Hunt – now blame Putin for the resulting recessions and bankruptcies etc.
The truth is being systematically suppressed.
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Although Sweden took a different approach from the rest of Europe it was not as different as people who like to quote the Swedish example suppose. There were restrictions on gatherings, schools were closed – for 16-18 year olds – as were universities. That’s a lockdown, albeit less severe than most.
The Swedish Government did not have the legal powers to impose severe restrictions, so majored on exhortations. Municipalities, however, did have those powers and many used them. Naturally, Stockholm based foreign correspondents of the world’s press mostly missed this.
Interestingly, by the end of 2020, the Swedish Government, many opposition politicians, much public opinion had concluded their approach was a failure, especially compared with the better fatality numbers of Norway and Denmark. Even the King joined in: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/12/17/swedens-king-on-coronavirus-we-have-failed/amp/
So let’s all acknowledge that the debate is rather more nuanced than lockdown good/bad* (delete as appropriate).
Maybe it’s the crowd I mix with, but most of them are still arguing that lockdowns saved countless thousands of lives.
They will not countenance any suggestion that there was a choice, with benefits and costs to be weighed, and most of our governments made the wrong one, and will never admit it.
What about Canada? We had harsh lockdowns, but only a fraction of the U.S covid deaths. Lockdowns also saved the overworked healthcare system from collapse. There is still debate needed as to what degree of lockdown was needed. Lockdowns varied across Canadian provinces. Some unnecessarily harsher than others. Sometimes hard choices must be made. Hindsight makes it all look easy.
Clearly the lockdowns-save-lives narrative has totally collapsed. I feel for the people on the left, the right and the centre who trumpeted it so proudly, so loudly, and so utterly destructively. I also feel for those innocents still trapped in the narrative who are going to be jolted out of the somnolence sooner or later. It will weigh on the conscience of those good people across the political spectrum who made those panicky decisions until their dying day. I hope they can reconcile and forgive themselves for what they did.
One can only hope that that reckoning will allow them to come to analyse the effects of the pharmaceutical interventions in a more objective, cold light of day and with the benefit of an increasing amount of hindsight. The sad truth might be, though, that there is no long term profit to be made in permanent economic shutdown, but there is profit to made in perpetuating pharmaceutical interventions; and this will make any objective reckoning a lot harder. If DeSantis can rise to that challenge without fear or favour to either side of what is a horribly toxic debate and in a way that can help bring people back together, then – literally, by goodness – would that not make him the most deserving recipient of the keys to the White House that there has been for a very long time?
“I feel for the people on the left, the right and the centre who trumpeted [lockdowns] so proudly”
I don’t. And I’ve not seen ANY mea culpa from them yet.
One can but hope that the midterms spell the end for Trumpism.
It seems to me that Ron DeSantis represents the best chance we have of maintaining a relatively free and hopefully democratic Western civilization (small d, capital W), in the face of the corporate, Democrat, Big Pharma coup.
Funny how often the autocrats label themselves as democrats eg East Germany, North Korea.
“We now know that those 15 days turned into months, then well over a year”
Indeed… What was it, three weeks to flatten the curve?
Anyway, I recently happened to see a video from a few days ago of a rehearsal in a Californian opera House. Singers and musicians were masked, over 2.5 years after that fateful press conference!!
(I understand that the mask mandate has now been removed).
Do run Ron, do run Ron.
He’s the man who can not only save the US, but possibly the world from the woke globalist utopians who despise personal freedom and want us all in boxes like chicken eggs.
That tweat of April 30th could cost Trump the Presidency. Pitiful for a supposed disrupter to join the pile on against Sweden standing alone against the global forces quite frankly of evil. Lockdowners were determined to shut down society, and to deprive children of their education, the lonely of company, the poor of their livelihoods, the abused and vulnerable of refuge, small businesses of their future, and the powerless of personal autonomy and dignity. What a fraud Trump showed himself to be when tested.
I think the Teaching Unions had a big say in all this – seeing an opportunity to increase their political presence and flex their muscles. For them, it was never about the children.
Much of Africa continued on during the covid period with few restrictions.
From the so-called enquiry into how Covid was responded to in this country it is clear that those responsible for the imposition of frankly evil lockdowns will never take responsibility for the devastating consequences they unleashed. We can see it in the way they – see the awful Hunt – now blame Putin for the resulting recessions and bankruptcies etc.
The truth is being systematically suppressed.
Although Sweden took a different approach from the rest of Europe it was not as different as people who like to quote the Swedish example suppose. There were restrictions on gatherings, schools were closed – for 16-18 year olds – as were universities. That’s a lockdown, albeit less severe than most.
The Swedish Government did not have the legal powers to impose severe restrictions, so majored on exhortations. Municipalities, however, did have those powers and many used them. Naturally, Stockholm based foreign correspondents of the world’s press mostly missed this.
Interestingly, by the end of 2020, the Swedish Government, many opposition politicians, much public opinion had concluded their approach was a failure, especially compared with the better fatality numbers of Norway and Denmark. Even the King joined in:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/12/17/swedens-king-on-coronavirus-we-have-failed/amp/
So let’s all acknowledge that the debate is rather more nuanced than lockdown good/bad* (delete as appropriate).