Well yes, but on the whole it is better that AOC talks about make-up than about economics or anything substantive because at least she knows something about make-up.
An American friend of mine, not particularly conservative, nails it about AOC and her ilk. He said that he and many of his friends cannot possibly vote Democrat while the Macbethian witches of Congress (AOC, Ilhan Omar and so forth) are so influential, and while the electorate votes for her kind. There are many like him ” people who secretly voted for Trump last time, and are likely to do so again.
Yeah, it seems a tragic indictment of the US today, that such a cabal as The Squad make even the buffoon Trump seem more attractive (and probably less dangerous) than the Dems.
Beautiful! If the Dems get in, Secretary of Make-up perhaps? (Forgive me, but it’s almost impossible to not be at least a little sexist when AOC is around).
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago
This enjoyably frothy piece in fact reveals something very important, I believe, which is that, like many other socio-political terms, ‘feminism’ is what a philosopher might call “ill-defined”. That is to say, it does not have a fairly fixed meaning, like ‘nitrogen’ or ‘tiger’, but means radically different things depending on who is using the term, even by its self-described proponents.
In particular, ‘feminism’ is used in two key ways that are not at all the same thing. On the one hand, the majority of women (and men) who happily call themselves feminist, who mean by it no more than that women and men should be treated fairly and equally. On the other, the activist core of the feminist movement, who mean a more tightly construed set of beliefs, centred on patriarchy but stretching out to rape culture, intersectionality, phallocentrism, etc.
This causes great confusion and agitation when the two views collide. Ordinary women, who consider themselves feminist because they believe in basic equality between the sexes, are naturally put off when they hear the radical politics and post-modern ontology of the activist wing. Likewise, activists are frustrated when they hear ordinary women call themselves feminist but then act against the tightly construed doctrines that the actists understand by the term ‘feminism’.
Really, we would be best served if we could come up with a different term for at least one of these two positions. Personally, respecting as I do the passion and sincerity of the activist core, I would prefer for them to keep ‘feminism’ and have the ordinary view referred to as ‘sexual equality’ or something like that. Unfortunately, not only is the ordinary view firmly entrenched under the name ‘feminism’, it suits some activists to play a cynical “motte-and-bailey” strategy, in which the ordinary meaning is deployed defensively against critics, while the activist meaning is deployed expansively when not under sustained criticism. As such, we are likely to be left with this continuing friction between the two incompatible meanings for many years to come.
Most women around the world are religious conservatives, who find value in their cultural contexts & traditions, & don’t necessarily believe these are part of some Patriarchal conspiracy against them. Although there may be many negatives in traditional roles, differences between men’s & women’s roles are often unquantifiable/ incommensurable. For liberal feminists unconstrained personal autonomy is the only value, traditions & contexts usually pose illigitimate constraints, and the majority of the world’s women are operating under some kind of false consciousness, & are all really liberal feminists deep down.
Warren Alexander
3 years ago
But us men have to shave everyday and that also takes up time. I suppose we could all grow beards and look like tossers.
I suppose we could all grow beards and look like tossers.
If you think that the likes of Aristotle, Charlemagne, Henry VIII, Shakespeare, Galileo, and Abraham Lincoln were all “tossers”, then you and I have a very different view of what makes a man great.
Personally, I have never understood why some men choose to effeminise themselves by trying to make their chins look as hairless as a woman’s. To each their own, of course: aesthetic preferences are one’s individual prerogative, as Miss Ocasio-Cortez’s should be. But looking like a girly-man is not for me.
I just got fed up with shaving, so while my wife was away for a fortnight I stopped shaving. Quite liked not shaving as it happens. So, have a beard. happy with a trim every couple of weeks. Have to say t****r I am not. Might shave it off, might just leave it. Up yours Warren.
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago
I never thought it would happen but an article written by SD I (almost) completely agree with.
But we all know that AOC, in common with all those who narcissistically seek power and self exposure are never overly fussy about what they have to say or do to obtain it.
Sandy Markwick
3 years ago
How awful. She likes lipstick! She also likes dancing! Let’s focus on the horrors of that rather than her impressive impact as a young congresswoman grilling Zuck and Cohen et al.
Although I found Sarah’s article enlightening, you do have a point. In fact in the Woke era, it’s quite inspiring that AOC embraces and perhaps even flaunts her femininity. Although I don’t have much faith in her competence, I find it hard to dislike her, with her rather clumsy, ditsy girlishness. Disarmingly cute in the way she is honestly being herself, which is rare in politics.
Dan Poynton
3 years ago
A stunning glimpse into women’s psychology, much needed in the den of male energy our dear Unherd has become! Thank you – this is priceless, and gives me a greater empathy for the love/hate relationship women have with beauty and their public appearance. [Btw: I have never seen a girl/women look more beautiful than when she is au naturel, completely free of make-up, no matter her age. I wonder how many other men (secretly?) feel this too? Are we simply all playing this make-up game for the benefit of the industry and some crass perverted idea of women’s beauty?]
Andrew D
3 years ago
What are we poor chaps supposed to make of all this? ‘I tell you, it’s a whole different sex!’
Benedict Waterson
3 years ago
The Patriarchy !
Stephen Follows
3 years ago
Good to see her supporting capitalism through the beauty products industry.
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
I had to chuckle about AOC’s empowerment through make-up video as well. Ditto, the BLM protesters yesterday who heckled black policemen, by shouting at them, “Uncle Tom” and “c**n” whilst in full face make-up and an extra coating of mascara. It’s just too weird.
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago
Sarah, I would recommend that you just jam the rubbish down in the bin a little harder. You don’t want to take it out until you absolutely have to. Why waste your valuable writing time?
maredllwyd
3 years ago
I disagree. Feminism is empowerment and if that means putting on a red lip for her then she should go for it . Being a running mate or a polaticion shouldn’t scrutinise you from conversations about beauty. In fact undermining and talking about beauty as though it is superficial and is something that is left for women who can not be politicians is definitely not empowerment .
Mark Brown
3 years ago
Great articles, this one included, Ms. Ditum!
vpinney
3 years ago
I think this is actually a very unfair piece on AOC, she is a positive influence for many women, and she knows very well that feminism is so much more than makeup. She has made her feminist views very clear in what she does. She stands up for working class which is so powerful and unheard of.AOC is incredibly intelligent, so drilling her down to something as small as the red lipstick she wears is dehumanising. She is an incredibly powerful woman, perhaps someone the generation before gen z is not ready for. Her knowledge is greater than what she puts on her face, and that is clear to see from the landslide majority she has won.
elliotf04
3 years ago
AOC is the future and you people aren’t ready for that so you’re trying to smother her before she can take off. AOC has the backing of not only her district but also millions of young people all over the world. Why? Because she has proven that she cares about us and her constituents. She works FOR the people not for herself.
As someone from Generation Z and ultimately the most politically active generation yet, AOC and politicians like her are the future because we are the future. AOC is inevitable.
You are a man, so I’m confused why you have entered this conversation on AOC’s appraisal of makeup wrt feminism? You can like/admire her and still criticize some of her stupid comments – this one is especially ridiculous. No, makeup is not empowering. Most of us wear it, some of us like doing it, but it’s still something that only women have to do, it’s still part of the way men like you see us as sex objects, so please, leave this conversation. Thanks.
You make a good point. Thought It’s strange – I don’t find women’s make-up at all sexy. Perhaps it’s not just women who have been fooled into using the stuff, but men too.
Gen Z? I’m no proponent of alphabet generationalism, but surely she’s a classic Millennial, no? And anyway, aren’t some of the Zs now turning away from the Millennials’ fanatical politicisation of everything? I appreciate your passionate embrace of AOC, but to me she simply has not much idea of reality, is not very intelligent and is way over her head. Although I have to agree her idealism is touching, and perhaps that is a valuable inspiration for many.
Well yes, but on the whole it is better that AOC talks about make-up than about economics or anything substantive because at least she knows something about make-up.
Oh, well said!
An American friend of mine, not particularly conservative, nails it about AOC and her ilk. He said that he and many of his friends cannot possibly vote Democrat while the Macbethian witches of Congress (AOC, Ilhan Omar and so forth) are so influential, and while the electorate votes for her kind. There are many like him ” people who secretly voted for Trump last time, and are likely to do so again.
Yeah, it seems a tragic indictment of the US today, that such a cabal as The Squad make even the buffoon Trump seem more attractive (and probably less dangerous) than the Dems.
Beautiful! If the Dems get in, Secretary of Make-up perhaps?
(Forgive me, but it’s almost impossible to not be at least a little sexist when AOC is around).
This enjoyably frothy piece in fact reveals something very important, I believe, which is that, like many other socio-political terms, ‘feminism’ is what a philosopher might call “ill-defined”. That is to say, it does not have a fairly fixed meaning, like ‘nitrogen’ or ‘tiger’, but means radically different things depending on who is using the term, even by its self-described proponents.
In particular, ‘feminism’ is used in two key ways that are not at all the same thing. On the one hand, the majority of women (and men) who happily call themselves feminist, who mean by it no more than that women and men should be treated fairly and equally. On the other, the activist core of the feminist movement, who mean a more tightly construed set of beliefs, centred on patriarchy but stretching out to rape culture, intersectionality, phallocentrism, etc.
This causes great confusion and agitation when the two views collide. Ordinary women, who consider themselves feminist because they believe in basic equality between the sexes, are naturally put off when they hear the radical politics and post-modern ontology of the activist wing. Likewise, activists are frustrated when they hear ordinary women call themselves feminist but then act against the tightly construed doctrines that the actists understand by the term ‘feminism’.
Really, we would be best served if we could come up with a different term for at least one of these two positions. Personally, respecting as I do the passion and sincerity of the activist core, I would prefer for them to keep ‘feminism’ and have the ordinary view referred to as ‘sexual equality’ or something like that. Unfortunately, not only is the ordinary view firmly entrenched under the name ‘feminism’, it suits some activists to play a cynical “motte-and-bailey” strategy, in which the ordinary meaning is deployed defensively against critics, while the activist meaning is deployed expansively when not under sustained criticism. As such, we are likely to be left with this continuing friction between the two incompatible meanings for many years to come.
Nice breakdown. Thanks.
Most women around the world are religious conservatives, who find value in their cultural contexts & traditions, & don’t necessarily believe these are part of some Patriarchal conspiracy against them. Although there may be many negatives in traditional roles, differences between men’s & women’s roles are often unquantifiable/ incommensurable. For liberal feminists unconstrained personal autonomy is the only value, traditions & contexts usually pose illigitimate constraints, and the majority of the world’s women are operating under some kind of false consciousness, & are all really liberal feminists deep down.
But us men have to shave everyday and that also takes up time. I suppose we could all grow beards and look like tossers.
If you think that the likes of Aristotle, Charlemagne, Henry VIII, Shakespeare, Galileo, and Abraham Lincoln were all “tossers”, then you and I have a very different view of what makes a man great.
Personally, I have never understood why some men choose to effeminise themselves by trying to make their chins look as hairless as a woman’s. To each their own, of course: aesthetic preferences are one’s individual prerogative, as Miss Ocasio-Cortez’s should be. But looking like a girly-man is not for me.
I just got fed up with shaving, so while my wife was away for a fortnight I stopped shaving. Quite liked not shaving as it happens. So, have a beard. happy with a trim every couple of weeks. Have to say t****r I am not. Might shave it off, might just leave it. Up yours Warren.
I never thought it would happen but an article written by SD I (almost) completely agree with.
But we all know that AOC, in common with all those who narcissistically seek power and self exposure are never overly fussy about what they have to say or do to obtain it.
How awful. She likes lipstick! She also likes dancing! Let’s focus on the horrors of that rather than her impressive impact as a young congresswoman grilling Zuck and Cohen et al.
Although I found Sarah’s article enlightening, you do have a point. In fact in the Woke era, it’s quite inspiring that AOC embraces and perhaps even flaunts her femininity. Although I don’t have much faith in her competence, I find it hard to dislike her, with her rather clumsy, ditsy girlishness. Disarmingly cute in the way she is honestly being herself, which is rare in politics.
A stunning glimpse into women’s psychology, much needed in the den of male energy our dear Unherd has become! Thank you – this is priceless, and gives me a greater empathy for the love/hate relationship women have with beauty and their public appearance.
[Btw: I have never seen a girl/women look more beautiful than when she is au naturel, completely free of make-up, no matter her age. I wonder how many other men (secretly?) feel this too? Are we simply all playing this make-up game for the benefit of the industry and some crass perverted idea of women’s beauty?]
What are we poor chaps supposed to make of all this? ‘I tell you, it’s a whole different sex!’
The Patriarchy !
Good to see her supporting capitalism through the beauty products industry.
I had to chuckle about AOC’s empowerment through make-up video as well. Ditto, the BLM protesters yesterday who heckled black policemen, by shouting at them, “Uncle Tom” and “c**n” whilst in full face make-up and an extra coating of mascara. It’s just too weird.
Sarah, I would recommend that you just jam the rubbish down in the bin a little harder. You don’t want to take it out until you absolutely have to. Why waste your valuable writing time?
I disagree. Feminism is empowerment and if that means putting on a red lip for her then she should go for it . Being a running mate or a polaticion shouldn’t scrutinise you from conversations about beauty. In fact undermining and talking about beauty as though it is superficial and is something that is left for women who can not be politicians is definitely not empowerment .
Great articles, this one included, Ms. Ditum!
I think this is actually a very unfair piece on AOC, she is a positive influence for many women, and she knows very well that feminism is so much more than makeup. She has made her feminist views very clear in what she does. She stands up for working class which is so powerful and unheard of.AOC is incredibly intelligent, so drilling her down to something as small as the red lipstick she wears is dehumanising. She is an incredibly powerful woman, perhaps someone the generation before gen z is not ready for. Her knowledge is greater than what she puts on her face, and that is clear to see from the landslide majority she has won.
AOC is the future and you people aren’t ready for that so you’re trying to smother her before she can take off. AOC has the backing of not only her district but also millions of young people all over the world. Why? Because she has proven that she cares about us and her constituents. She works FOR the people not for herself.
As someone from Generation Z and ultimately the most politically active generation yet, AOC and politicians like her are the future because we are the future. AOC is inevitable.
You are a man, so I’m confused why you have entered this conversation on AOC’s appraisal of makeup wrt feminism? You can like/admire her and still criticize some of her stupid comments – this one is especially ridiculous. No, makeup is not empowering. Most of us wear it, some of us like doing it, but it’s still something that only women have to do, it’s still part of the way men like you see us as sex objects, so please, leave this conversation. Thanks.
You make a good point. Thought It’s strange – I don’t find women’s make-up at all sexy. Perhaps it’s not just women who have been fooled into using the stuff, but men too.
Oh purleez! The woman is a complete airhead who is in it purely for herself. She even get told what to say by her controllers.
Every generation was the future.
All too soon you will find your generation is the reviled older generation being blamed for all the ills. Have fun!
Gen Z? I’m no proponent of alphabet generationalism, but surely she’s a classic Millennial, no? And anyway, aren’t some of the Zs now turning away from the Millennials’ fanatical politicisation of everything?
I appreciate your passionate embrace of AOC, but to me she simply has not much idea of reality, is not very intelligent and is way over her head. Although I have to agree her idealism is touching, and perhaps that is a valuable inspiration for many.