Eddie is right, allegiances won’t change overnight. However, what the SNP has to fear is that their supporters will stay at home. The local elections next month will be a straw in the wind here.
I know. I’m rather glad TBH as a moderately bad pasting now might make them change tack. When your enemy is making a fool of himself, don’t let him stop.
I know. I’m rather glad TBH as a moderately bad pasting now might make them change tack. When your enemy is making a fool of himself, don’t let him stop.
There aren’t any local elections in Scotland next month.
David McKee
1 year ago
Eddie is right, allegiances won’t change overnight. However, what the SNP has to fear is that their supporters will stay at home. The local elections next month will be a straw in the wind here.
Martin Bollis
1 year ago
I’m not close enough to really to know, but it seemed to me the SNP was nowhere until a very effective politician, in the form of Alex Salmond, arrived. He was followed by another very effective politician (love her or hate her).
Now there is Yusless. Voters aren’t complete fools, despite the comparison with Man Utd fans (who clearly are).
Martin Bollis
1 year ago
I’m not close enough to really to know, but it seemed to me the SNP was nowhere until a very effective politician, in the form of Alex Salmond, arrived. He was followed by another very effective politician (love her or hate her).
Now there is Yusless. Voters aren’t complete fools, despite the comparison with Man Utd fans (who clearly are).
AC Harper
1 year ago
I suspect that we have normal cause and effect reversed. People didn’t vote for the SNP because Nicola Sturgeon was the leader, but Nicola Sturgeon is the leader because people voted for the SNP. Is the SNP any less electable because some of the leaders have allegedly misbehaved? Probably not – at least as long as their alleged peccadillos are only vices, not political.
Which explains why people voted Democrat despite Biden, Republican despite Trump, Labour despite Blair, Conservative despite Johnson and so on.
The only twist in the tale is (maybe) if diversion of party funds for private gain is proven. The crime is not that important, but taking your supporters for dupes is.
I’m not so sure. A lot of the younger/urban/woke voters idolise Sturgeon. The SNP vote has been an uneasy combination of former Labour voters, old-school conservative nationalists and wokies. The tribal thing may explain why the third of these groups still voted SNP and they have an alternative now with Alba. Yousless will keep appeasing the woke vote and stay on side with the Greens.
Good point.
I’d guess that the old-school conservative nationalists love Kate Forbes, but she leaves the ex-Labour voters cold and she positively repulses the wokies. Is that about right?
Yes, absolutely right. My post should have read ‘second of these’. I see the more conservative SNP voters as rather like the red wall in the 2000s when they still voted for Blair. Hopefully the wokies will vote Green and the old Labour voters will go back to Labour. IMO the best thing Forbes could do is give up on independence and join the Tories. Unlikely though.
Yes, absolutely right. My post should have read ‘second of these’. I see the more conservative SNP voters as rather like the red wall in the 2000s when they still voted for Blair. Hopefully the wokies will vote Green and the old Labour voters will go back to Labour. IMO the best thing Forbes could do is give up on independence and join the Tories. Unlikely though.
Good point.
I’d guess that the old-school conservative nationalists love Kate Forbes, but she leaves the ex-Labour voters cold and she positively repulses the wokies. Is that about right?
I’m not so sure. A lot of the younger/urban/woke voters idolise Sturgeon. The SNP vote has been an uneasy combination of former Labour voters, old-school conservative nationalists and wokies. The tribal thing may explain why the third of these groups still voted SNP and they have an alternative now with Alba. Yousless will keep appeasing the woke vote and stay on side with the Greens.
I think people voted Conservative because of Johnson and the same is true to a lesser extent for Trump. And Blair made Labour electable
AC Harper
1 year ago
I suspect that we have normal cause and effect reversed. People didn’t vote for the SNP because Nicola Sturgeon was the leader, but Nicola Sturgeon is the leader because people voted for the SNP. Is the SNP any less electable because some of the leaders have allegedly misbehaved? Probably not – at least as long as their alleged peccadillos are only vices, not political.
Which explains why people voted Democrat despite Biden, Republican despite Trump, Labour despite Blair, Conservative despite Johnson and so on.
The only twist in the tale is (maybe) if diversion of party funds for private gain is proven. The crime is not that important, but taking your supporters for dupes is.
rob drummond
1 year ago
I am not so sure support for The SNP is as strong as its claimed by this headline. Even the article says ”(support) is still in the high 30’s” – yes but didnt is used to be almost 50/50? that shows a collapse in support by any other standards.
No-one likes SLEEZE, especially where ”She from on High’ has been preaching about it for years and years about sleeze in ”The Tooory Party” – her Chickens came home.
SNP Voters will smell the usual Political ‘C*ap’ was after all, alive and well at The SNP. The other thign is, we dont really know whats going to come out of all this. ” uprooting the status quo” has already begun!
There will 9in my opinion) be enough migration away from SNP, dispursed to labour and Alba (unlikely to be Tory), to ensure The SNP are as far away as they ever where from reaching their Political goal.
SNP Voters, like all voters, dont like being taken for Mugs.
rob drummond
1 year ago
I am not so sure support for The SNP is as strong as its claimed by this headline. Even the article says ”(support) is still in the high 30’s” – yes but didnt is used to be almost 50/50? that shows a collapse in support by any other standards.
No-one likes SLEEZE, especially where ”She from on High’ has been preaching about it for years and years about sleeze in ”The Tooory Party” – her Chickens came home.
SNP Voters will smell the usual Political ‘C*ap’ was after all, alive and well at The SNP. The other thign is, we dont really know whats going to come out of all this. ” uprooting the status quo” has already begun!
There will 9in my opinion) be enough migration away from SNP, dispursed to labour and Alba (unlikely to be Tory), to ensure The SNP are as far away as they ever where from reaching their Political goal.
SNP Voters, like all voters, dont like being taken for Mugs.
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Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
There are plenty of Kleptocratic Nationalist rulers who manage to get out sufficient votes to remain in power. The alleged corruption in Scotland seems modest compared to the riches amassed by Putin and his supporters. Ideological blinkers can sustain a party in power long after it ought to be ejected and trampled underfoot with contumely particularly if it can keep the benefits to its supporters flowing.
True, but the SNP haven’t deployed any novichok as yet and nobody has fallen out of a hotel window, to my knowledge.
Samuel Ross
1 year ago
The Scots are weird folk. You’re welcome, there’s my brilliant, thoughtful, and positive analysis for the day. 😉
Last edited 1 year ago by Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago
The Scots are weird folk. You’re welcome, there’s my brilliant, thoughtful, and positive analysis for the day. 😉
Last edited 1 year ago by Samuel Ross
Andy White
1 year ago
The surprise for me out of all the SNP upheaval is the indefinite postponement of their final push for independence. Brexit does not appear to have made ‘Indy’ any easier to sell, as was often predicted.
Eddie is right, allegiances won’t change overnight. However, what the SNP has to fear is that their supporters will stay at home. The local elections next month will be a straw in the wind here.
There aren’t any local elections in Scotland next month.
Oops, my bad. Still, I bet the SNP is glad it does not have to face the voters jut yet.
I know. I’m rather glad TBH as a moderately bad pasting now might make them change tack. When your enemy is making a fool of himself, don’t let him stop.
I know. I’m rather glad TBH as a moderately bad pasting now might make them change tack. When your enemy is making a fool of himself, don’t let him stop.
Oops, my bad. Still, I bet the SNP is glad it does not have to face the voters jut yet.
There aren’t any local elections in Scotland next month.
Eddie is right, allegiances won’t change overnight. However, what the SNP has to fear is that their supporters will stay at home. The local elections next month will be a straw in the wind here.
I’m not close enough to really to know, but it seemed to me the SNP was nowhere until a very effective politician, in the form of Alex Salmond, arrived. He was followed by another very effective politician (love her or hate her).
Now there is Yusless. Voters aren’t complete fools, despite the comparison with Man Utd fans (who clearly are).
I’m not close enough to really to know, but it seemed to me the SNP was nowhere until a very effective politician, in the form of Alex Salmond, arrived. He was followed by another very effective politician (love her or hate her).
Now there is Yusless. Voters aren’t complete fools, despite the comparison with Man Utd fans (who clearly are).
I suspect that we have normal cause and effect reversed. People didn’t vote for the SNP because Nicola Sturgeon was the leader, but Nicola Sturgeon is the leader because people voted for the SNP. Is the SNP any less electable because some of the leaders have allegedly misbehaved? Probably not – at least as long as their alleged peccadillos are only vices, not political.
Which explains why people voted Democrat despite Biden, Republican despite Trump, Labour despite Blair, Conservative despite Johnson and so on.
The only twist in the tale is (maybe) if diversion of party funds for private gain is proven. The crime is not that important, but taking your supporters for dupes is.
I’m not so sure. A lot of the younger/urban/woke voters idolise Sturgeon. The SNP vote has been an uneasy combination of former Labour voters, old-school conservative nationalists and wokies. The tribal thing may explain why the third of these groups still voted SNP and they have an alternative now with Alba. Yousless will keep appeasing the woke vote and stay on side with the Greens.
Good point.
I’d guess that the old-school conservative nationalists love Kate Forbes, but she leaves the ex-Labour voters cold and she positively repulses the wokies. Is that about right?
Yes, absolutely right. My post should have read ‘second of these’. I see the more conservative SNP voters as rather like the red wall in the 2000s when they still voted for Blair. Hopefully the wokies will vote Green and the old Labour voters will go back to Labour. IMO the best thing Forbes could do is give up on independence and join the Tories. Unlikely though.
Yes, absolutely right. My post should have read ‘second of these’. I see the more conservative SNP voters as rather like the red wall in the 2000s when they still voted for Blair. Hopefully the wokies will vote Green and the old Labour voters will go back to Labour. IMO the best thing Forbes could do is give up on independence and join the Tories. Unlikely though.
Good point.
I’d guess that the old-school conservative nationalists love Kate Forbes, but she leaves the ex-Labour voters cold and she positively repulses the wokies. Is that about right?
I think people voted Conservative because of Johnson and the same is true to a lesser extent for Trump. And Blair made Labour electable
I’m not so sure. A lot of the younger/urban/woke voters idolise Sturgeon. The SNP vote has been an uneasy combination of former Labour voters, old-school conservative nationalists and wokies. The tribal thing may explain why the third of these groups still voted SNP and they have an alternative now with Alba. Yousless will keep appeasing the woke vote and stay on side with the Greens.
I think people voted Conservative because of Johnson and the same is true to a lesser extent for Trump. And Blair made Labour electable
I suspect that we have normal cause and effect reversed. People didn’t vote for the SNP because Nicola Sturgeon was the leader, but Nicola Sturgeon is the leader because people voted for the SNP. Is the SNP any less electable because some of the leaders have allegedly misbehaved? Probably not – at least as long as their alleged peccadillos are only vices, not political.
Which explains why people voted Democrat despite Biden, Republican despite Trump, Labour despite Blair, Conservative despite Johnson and so on.
The only twist in the tale is (maybe) if diversion of party funds for private gain is proven. The crime is not that important, but taking your supporters for dupes is.
I am not so sure support for The SNP is as strong as its claimed by this headline. Even the article says ”(support) is still in the high 30’s” – yes but didnt is used to be almost 50/50? that shows a collapse in support by any other standards.
No-one likes SLEEZE, especially where ”She from on High’ has been preaching about it for years and years about sleeze in ”The Tooory Party” – her Chickens came home.
SNP Voters will smell the usual Political ‘C*ap’ was after all, alive and well at The SNP. The other thign is, we dont really know whats going to come out of all this. ” uprooting the status quo” has already begun!
There will 9in my opinion) be enough migration away from SNP, dispursed to labour and Alba (unlikely to be Tory), to ensure The SNP are as far away as they ever where from reaching their Political goal.
SNP Voters, like all voters, dont like being taken for Mugs.
I am not so sure support for The SNP is as strong as its claimed by this headline. Even the article says ”(support) is still in the high 30’s” – yes but didnt is used to be almost 50/50? that shows a collapse in support by any other standards.
No-one likes SLEEZE, especially where ”She from on High’ has been preaching about it for years and years about sleeze in ”The Tooory Party” – her Chickens came home.
SNP Voters will smell the usual Political ‘C*ap’ was after all, alive and well at The SNP. The other thign is, we dont really know whats going to come out of all this. ” uprooting the status quo” has already begun!
There will 9in my opinion) be enough migration away from SNP, dispursed to labour and Alba (unlikely to be Tory), to ensure The SNP are as far away as they ever where from reaching their Political goal.
SNP Voters, like all voters, dont like being taken for Mugs.
If not sleaze then incompetence perhaps?
No definitely sleeze She cant get away with “incompetence” she (Sturgeon) is far too self assured for that.
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It happened to me yesterday. Seems to be working OK today.
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There are plenty of Kleptocratic Nationalist rulers who manage to get out sufficient votes to remain in power. The alleged corruption in Scotland seems modest compared to the riches amassed by Putin and his supporters. Ideological blinkers can sustain a party in power long after it ought to be ejected and trampled underfoot with contumely particularly if it can keep the benefits to its supporters flowing.
True, but the SNP haven’t deployed any novichok as yet and nobody has fallen out of a hotel window, to my knowledge.
The Scots are weird folk. You’re welcome, there’s my brilliant, thoughtful, and positive analysis for the day. 😉
The Scots are weird folk. You’re welcome, there’s my brilliant, thoughtful, and positive analysis for the day. 😉
The surprise for me out of all the SNP upheaval is the indefinite postponement of their final push for independence. Brexit does not appear to have made ‘Indy’ any easier to sell, as was often predicted.