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David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Eddie is right, allegiances won’t change overnight. However, what the SNP has to fear is that their supporters will stay at home. The local elections next month will be a straw in the wind here.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

There aren’t any local elections in Scotland next month.

David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Oops, my bad. Still, I bet the SNP is glad it does not have to face the voters jut yet.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

I know. I’m rather glad TBH as a moderately bad pasting now might make them change tack. When your enemy is making a fool of himself, don’t let him stop.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

I know. I’m rather glad TBH as a moderately bad pasting now might make them change tack. When your enemy is making a fool of himself, don’t let him stop.

David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Oops, my bad. Still, I bet the SNP is glad it does not have to face the voters jut yet.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

There aren’t any local elections in Scotland next month.

David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Eddie is right, allegiances won’t change overnight. However, what the SNP has to fear is that their supporters will stay at home. The local elections next month will be a straw in the wind here.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

I’m not close enough to really to know, but it seemed to me the SNP was nowhere until a very effective politician, in the form of Alex Salmond, arrived. He was followed by another very effective politician (love her or hate her).

Now there is Yusless. Voters aren’t complete fools, despite the comparison with Man Utd fans (who clearly are).

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

I’m not close enough to really to know, but it seemed to me the SNP was nowhere until a very effective politician, in the form of Alex Salmond, arrived. He was followed by another very effective politician (love her or hate her).

Now there is Yusless. Voters aren’t complete fools, despite the comparison with Man Utd fans (who clearly are).

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago

I suspect that we have normal cause and effect reversed. People didn’t vote for the SNP because Nicola Sturgeon was the leader, but Nicola Sturgeon is the leader because people voted for the SNP. Is the SNP any less electable because some of the leaders have allegedly misbehaved? Probably not – at least as long as their alleged peccadillos are only vices, not political.
Which explains why people voted Democrat despite Biden, Republican despite Trump, Labour despite Blair, Conservative despite Johnson and so on.
The only twist in the tale is (maybe) if diversion of party funds for private gain is proven. The crime is not that important, but taking your supporters for dupes is.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I’m not so sure. A lot of the younger/urban/woke voters idolise Sturgeon. The SNP vote has been an uneasy combination of former Labour voters, old-school conservative nationalists and wokies. The tribal thing may explain why the third of these groups still voted SNP and they have an alternative now with Alba. Yousless will keep appeasing the woke vote and stay on side with the Greens.

David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Good point.
I’d guess that the old-school conservative nationalists love Kate Forbes, but she leaves the ex-Labour voters cold and she positively repulses the wokies. Is that about right?

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

Yes, absolutely right. My post should have read ‘second of these’. I see the more conservative SNP voters as rather like the red wall in the 2000s when they still voted for Blair. Hopefully the wokies will vote Green and the old Labour voters will go back to Labour. IMO the best thing Forbes could do is give up on independence and join the Tories. Unlikely though.

Last edited 1 year ago by Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  David McKee

Yes, absolutely right. My post should have read ‘second of these’. I see the more conservative SNP voters as rather like the red wall in the 2000s when they still voted for Blair. Hopefully the wokies will vote Green and the old Labour voters will go back to Labour. IMO the best thing Forbes could do is give up on independence and join the Tories. Unlikely though.

Last edited 1 year ago by Alphonse Pfarti
David McKee
David McKee
1 year ago

Good point.
I’d guess that the old-school conservative nationalists love Kate Forbes, but she leaves the ex-Labour voters cold and she positively repulses the wokies. Is that about right?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I think people voted Conservative because of Johnson and the same is true to a lesser extent for Trump. And Blair made Labour electable

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I’m not so sure. A lot of the younger/urban/woke voters idolise Sturgeon. The SNP vote has been an uneasy combination of former Labour voters, old-school conservative nationalists and wokies. The tribal thing may explain why the third of these groups still voted SNP and they have an alternative now with Alba. Yousless will keep appeasing the woke vote and stay on side with the Greens.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I think people voted Conservative because of Johnson and the same is true to a lesser extent for Trump. And Blair made Labour electable

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago

I suspect that we have normal cause and effect reversed. People didn’t vote for the SNP because Nicola Sturgeon was the leader, but Nicola Sturgeon is the leader because people voted for the SNP. Is the SNP any less electable because some of the leaders have allegedly misbehaved? Probably not – at least as long as their alleged peccadillos are only vices, not political.
Which explains why people voted Democrat despite Biden, Republican despite Trump, Labour despite Blair, Conservative despite Johnson and so on.
The only twist in the tale is (maybe) if diversion of party funds for private gain is proven. The crime is not that important, but taking your supporters for dupes is.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

I am not so sure support for The SNP is as strong as its claimed by this headline. Even the article says ”(support) is still in the high 30’s” – yes but didnt is used to be almost 50/50? that shows a collapse in support by any other standards.

No-one likes SLEEZE, especially where ”She from on High’ has been preaching about it for years and years about sleeze in ”The Tooory Party” – her Chickens came home.

SNP Voters will smell the usual Political ‘C*ap’ was after all, alive and well at The SNP. The other thign is, we dont really know whats going to come out of all this. ” uprooting the status quo” has already begun!

There will 9in my opinion) be enough migration away from SNP, dispursed to labour and Alba (unlikely to be Tory), to ensure The SNP are as far away as they ever where from reaching their Political goal.
SNP Voters, like all voters, dont like being taken for Mugs.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

I am not so sure support for The SNP is as strong as its claimed by this headline. Even the article says ”(support) is still in the high 30’s” – yes but didnt is used to be almost 50/50? that shows a collapse in support by any other standards.

No-one likes SLEEZE, especially where ”She from on High’ has been preaching about it for years and years about sleeze in ”The Tooory Party” – her Chickens came home.

SNP Voters will smell the usual Political ‘C*ap’ was after all, alive and well at The SNP. The other thign is, we dont really know whats going to come out of all this. ” uprooting the status quo” has already begun!

There will 9in my opinion) be enough migration away from SNP, dispursed to labour and Alba (unlikely to be Tory), to ensure The SNP are as far away as they ever where from reaching their Political goal.
SNP Voters, like all voters, dont like being taken for Mugs.

N Satori
N Satori
1 year ago

If not sleaze then incompetence perhaps?

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  N Satori

No definitely sleeze She cant get away with “incompetence” she (Sturgeon) is far too self assured for that.

N Satori
N Satori
1 year ago

Most of my comments are being blocked by reCaptcha. Anyone else having this problem?

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  N Satori

It happened to me yesterday. Seems to be working OK today.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  N Satori

Yes, I am.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  N Satori

#MeToo

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  N Satori

It happened to me yesterday. Seems to be working OK today.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  N Satori

Yes, I am.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  N Satori

#MeToo

N Satori
N Satori
1 year ago

Most of my comments are being blocked by reCaptcha. Anyone else having this problem?

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

There are plenty of Kleptocratic Nationalist rulers who manage to get out sufficient votes to remain in power. The alleged corruption in Scotland seems modest compared to the riches amassed by Putin and his supporters. Ideological blinkers can sustain a party in power long after it ought to be ejected and trampled underfoot with contumely particularly if it can keep the benefits to its supporters flowing.

Alphonse Pfarti
Alphonse Pfarti
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

True, but the SNP haven’t deployed any novichok as yet and nobody has fallen out of a hotel window, to my knowledge.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

The Scots are weird folk. You’re welcome, there’s my brilliant, thoughtful, and positive analysis for the day. 😉

Last edited 1 year ago by Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

The Scots are weird folk. You’re welcome, there’s my brilliant, thoughtful, and positive analysis for the day. 😉

Last edited 1 year ago by Samuel Ross
Andy White
Andy White
1 year ago

The surprise for me out of all the SNP upheaval is the indefinite postponement of their final push for independence. Brexit does not appear to have made ‘Indy’ any easier to sell, as was often predicted.