The rest of the world should observe closely but be very circumspect about getting directly involved.
The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.
I agree – though I cannot, in all honesty, lay claim to it.
I should have put in quotes as it was a rather wonderful line written by HH Munro, the now sadly overlooked “Saki”.
I agree – though I cannot, in all honesty, lay claim to it.
I should have put in quotes as it was a rather wonderful line written by HH Munro, the now sadly overlooked “Saki”.
”The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.”
Since the time of the Romans onward, actually back to well BC and the Persians and Darius…Bronze age even….
Surely this is calling to Biden, a siren song to a Neo-Con, the opportunity for military involvement and spending and political favors and voter distraction…. hopefully Sunak can resist the call….
”The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.”
Since the time of the Romans onward, actually back to well BC and the Persians and Darius…Bronze age even….
Surely this is calling to Biden, a siren song to a Neo-Con, the opportunity for military involvement and spending and political favors and voter distraction…. hopefully Sunak can resist the call….
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago
The rest of the world should observe closely but be very circumspect about getting directly involved.
The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.
And once again a Remainer elides the EU with Europe. They aren’t the same thing. One is a continent of nations, with all their rich cultural differences. The other is a bureaucratic trade organisation with imperial pretensions that would wish to see all those divergent nations subsumed into a single pan-European state.
The EU always claimed to have ended war in Europe – though the peoples of the former Yugoslavia (and, since, elsewhere) might have a word or two to say about that.
Not only subsumed into a single pan-European state, But – ethnically, culturally, and socially cleansed of the ‘Four Olds’ (as under Mao): old ideas, old customs, old culture, and old habits of mind – and with a 5th, old ethnicity.
It is social engineering of the most radical kind, a Davos kind led by Satan’s little helper Yuval Harari, which he named ‘Homo Deus‘, tomorrow’s man, a creature right from Revelations 13:16….
Ah, so sorry – I just assumed that nobody, pro or agin the EU, would ever claim that it had ended all wars for all time – especially outside it’s jurisdiction. That would be a very odd thing, fantastically stupid, to believe. Btw – has anyone made such a claim, let alone ‘The EU’ or ‘remainers’?
Anyhow, your lecture about eliding the EU with the continent is a bit rich given the comment I was responding to, which elided an opinion (which was perhaps never even said by any EU politician), with the whole of ‘the EU’, and thence onto all Brexiters. Brexit won, and as we are slowly finding out, we are all slowly losing – I wonder if that is related to why some Brexiters keep trying to justify their vote.
I presume you have access to the internet?
Google can be your friend here. “The EU is the biggest peacemaking institution ever created in human history,” said Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European council, “The European Union is the Most Successful Peace Project in History” – Jean Claude Juncker “Recent generations are the lucky ones, having known 70 years of peace and stability. We owe this in large measure to the EU, originally set up to bind one-time enemies together. It has been, and remains, a force for peace and stability in Europe” – Guy Verhofstadt “A Union guaranteeing peace in Europe” – Martin Schulz The EU needs to return to its roots | Mary Kaldor | The Guardian : From the beginning, the EU was a peace project. It was designed, initially, after Europe’s great civil war, to prevent another war on European soil and later to overcome the cold war divide. Indeed, a huge achievement of recent years has been the peaceful integration of the new eastern members.
The EU’s part in 70 years of peace in Europe | Letters | The Guardian
It was always lost on Brexiteers – but the EU is fundamentally about peace | Rafael Behr | The Guardian
The EU and the causes of peace in our time | European Union | The Guardian
None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war – presumably because that is a stupid claim, which Ian Stewart made and you supported.
Ended all war – who said that?
Ian stewart wrote: But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there. There. … In Europe...
is it clearer now?
on a separate note, every time I’ve glanced at this page, you have been down-voted and other posters upvoted. then I look back again and you seem to be in positive numbers, up from minus 7 or something, and posters with 8 or 9 votes seem to be at 1 or 2.
How many sock puppet accounts are you managing?
OK I’ll edit my comment for clarification – “None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war in Europe“. I didn’t realise it was necessary to keep adding that clause, given that the subject matter was about ‘war in Europe’ – so sorry for the confusion. Thank you though for the plethora of comments pointing out the widepsread view that the Union has helped achieve peace in Europe. Again, none said that it had done so for all time – that would be a weird and stupid thing to claim…but Ian Stewart claimed it nonetheless as part of a strawan argument.
Why were you so upset at my challenge of this obviously cheap shot – “But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.”? Just let it be. Brexit has happened, you won. However, it is not delivering: the predicted problems are manifesting, the predicted benefits not – and the polling figures have gone back firmly to where they have been for pretty much the whole time – in support of staying. As a loser Remainer I am infuriated by Brexiters taking any excuse to keep knocking the EU, and moaning about remainers – years after they’ve won – all rather odd. It increasingly looks like some people are trying to defend [themselves] from these clear & muliple signs of failure and inverted snobbery. They cannot possible have made a mistake, oh no. That’s the exclusive territory of remainers/labour/impure Tories/immigrants/Soros/trans people/atheists/Islington metropolitans(how very ’90s… showing thier age perhaps?), and of course, last but not least the Great Twin Satans – ‘The Elite’ and ‘The MSM’. This is why I’ll shortly be leaving Unherd for the FT – whilst the articles are generally good, they rotatate around the same few subjects ad nauseam; and for reasons not clear to me the commentariat is increasingly made up of reactionary Blimps and concrete thinkers playing splitting games – though not you Paddy, I’ve enjoyed your comments, intelligent and interesting…except this thread.
OK I’ll edit my comment for clarification – “None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war in Europe“. I didn’t realise it was necessary to keep adding that clause, given that the subject matter was about ‘war in Europe’ – so sorry for the confusion. Thank you though for the plethora of comments pointing out the widepsread view that the Union has helped achieve peace in Europe. Again, none said that it had done so for all time – that would be a weird and stupid thing to claim…but Ian Stewart claimed it nonetheless as part of a strawan argument.
Why were you so upset at my challenge of this obviously cheap shot – “But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.”? Just let it be. Brexit has happened, you won. However, it is not delivering: the predicted problems are manifesting, the predicted benefits not – and the polling figures have gone back firmly to where they have been for pretty much the whole time – in support of staying. As a loser Remainer I am infuriated by Brexiters taking any excuse to keep knocking the EU, and moaning about remainers – years after they’ve won – all rather odd. It increasingly looks like some people are trying to defend [themselves] from these clear & muliple signs of failure and inverted snobbery. They cannot possible have made a mistake, oh no. That’s the exclusive territory of remainers/labour/impure Tories/immigrants/Soros/trans people/atheists/Islington metropolitans(how very ’90s… showing thier age perhaps?), and of course, last but not least the Great Twin Satans – ‘The Elite’ and ‘The MSM’. This is why I’ll shortly be leaving Unherd for the FT – whilst the articles are generally good, they rotatate around the same few subjects ad nauseam; and for reasons not clear to me the commentariat is increasingly made up of reactionary Blimps and concrete thinkers playing splitting games – though not you Paddy, I’ve enjoyed your comments, intelligent and interesting…except this thread.
Ended all war – who said that?
Ian stewart wrote: But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there. There. … In Europe...
is it clearer now?
on a separate note, every time I’ve glanced at this page, you have been down-voted and other posters upvoted. then I look back again and you seem to be in positive numbers, up from minus 7 or something, and posters with 8 or 9 votes seem to be at 1 or 2.
How many sock puppet accounts are you managing?
None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war – presumably because that is a stupid claim, which Ian Stewart made and you supported.
I presume you have access to the internet?
Google can be your friend here. “The EU is the biggest peacemaking institution ever created in human history,” said Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European council, “The European Union is the Most Successful Peace Project in History” – Jean Claude Juncker “Recent generations are the lucky ones, having known 70 years of peace and stability. We owe this in large measure to the EU, originally set up to bind one-time enemies together. It has been, and remains, a force for peace and stability in Europe” – Guy Verhofstadt “A Union guaranteeing peace in Europe” – Martin Schulz The EU needs to return to its roots | Mary Kaldor | The Guardian : From the beginning, the EU was a peace project. It was designed, initially, after Europe’s great civil war, to prevent another war on European soil and later to overcome the cold war divide. Indeed, a huge achievement of recent years has been the peaceful integration of the new eastern members.
The EU’s part in 70 years of peace in Europe | Letters | The Guardian
It was always lost on Brexiteers – but the EU is fundamentally about peace | Rafael Behr | The Guardian
The EU and the causes of peace in our time | European Union | The Guardian
Not only subsumed into a single pan-European state, But – ethnically, culturally, and socially cleansed of the ‘Four Olds’ (as under Mao): old ideas, old customs, old culture, and old habits of mind – and with a 5th, old ethnicity.
It is social engineering of the most radical kind, a Davos kind led by Satan’s little helper Yuval Harari, which he named ‘Homo Deus‘, tomorrow’s man, a creature right from Revelations 13:16….
Ah, so sorry – I just assumed that nobody, pro or agin the EU, would ever claim that it had ended all wars for all time – especially outside it’s jurisdiction. That would be a very odd thing, fantastically stupid, to believe. Btw – has anyone made such a claim, let alone ‘The EU’ or ‘remainers’?
Anyhow, your lecture about eliding the EU with the continent is a bit rich given the comment I was responding to, which elided an opinion (which was perhaps never even said by any EU politician), with the whole of ‘the EU’, and thence onto all Brexiters. Brexit won, and as we are slowly finding out, we are all slowly losing – I wonder if that is related to why some Brexiters keep trying to justify their vote.
And once again a Remainer elides the EU with Europe. They aren’t the same thing. One is a continent of nations, with all their rich cultural differences. The other is a bureaucratic trade organisation with imperial pretensions that would wish to see all those divergent nations subsumed into a single pan-European state.
The EU always claimed to have ended war in Europe – though the peoples of the former Yugoslavia (and, since, elsewhere) might have a word or two to say about that.
I saw the photographs and videos, and I have actually visited both sides and spoken with locals too. That was enough for me to know genocide was attempted by Serbia.
I saw the photographs and videos, and I have actually visited both sides and spoken with locals too. That was enough for me to know genocide was attempted by Serbia.
No – it’s a change of licence plate rather than gender that has them threatening war.
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Well done the Serbs.. no woke nonsense there…
Lance Stewart
1 year ago
Are we to anticipate NATO interference in Serbia/Kosova while it’s interference in Ukraine is still ongoing ? Here’s another chance for that “defensive” organisation to justify its existence, warmongering in areas which do not concern it.
Lance Stewart
1 year ago
Are we to anticipate NATO interference in Serbia/Kosova while it’s interference in Ukraine is still ongoing ? Here’s another chance for that “defensive” organisation to justify its existence, warmongering in areas which do not concern it.
The rest of the world should observe closely but be very circumspect about getting directly involved.
The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.
That’s an elegantly incisive last sentence!
I agree – though I cannot, in all honesty, lay claim to it.
I should have put in quotes as it was a rather wonderful line written by HH Munro, the now sadly overlooked “Saki”.
I agree – though I cannot, in all honesty, lay claim to it.
I should have put in quotes as it was a rather wonderful line written by HH Munro, the now sadly overlooked “Saki”.
”The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.”
Since the time of the Romans onward, actually back to well BC and the Persians and Darius…Bronze age even….
Surely this is calling to Biden, a siren song to a Neo-Con, the opportunity for military involvement and spending and political favors and voter distraction…. hopefully Sunak can resist the call….
That’s an elegantly incisive last sentence!
”The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.”
Since the time of the Romans onward, actually back to well BC and the Persians and Darius…Bronze age even….
Surely this is calling to Biden, a siren song to a Neo-Con, the opportunity for military involvement and spending and political favors and voter distraction…. hopefully Sunak can resist the call….
The rest of the world should observe closely but be very circumspect about getting directly involved.
The problem with the Balkans is that they produce entirely too much history for their own domestic consumption.
But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.
Neither country is in the EU. Aren’t you Brexiteers tired of winning yet?
And once again a Remainer elides the EU with Europe. They aren’t the same thing. One is a continent of nations, with all their rich cultural differences. The other is a bureaucratic trade organisation with imperial pretensions that would wish to see all those divergent nations subsumed into a single pan-European state.
The EU always claimed to have ended war in Europe – though the peoples of the former Yugoslavia (and, since, elsewhere) might have a word or two to say about that.
Bingo!
Not only subsumed into a single pan-European state, But – ethnically, culturally, and socially cleansed of the ‘Four Olds’ (as under Mao): old ideas, old customs, old culture, and old habits of mind – and with a 5th, old ethnicity.
It is social engineering of the most radical kind, a Davos kind led by Satan’s little helper Yuval Harari, which he named ‘Homo Deus‘, tomorrow’s man, a creature right from Revelations 13:16….
Ah, so sorry – I just assumed that nobody, pro or agin the EU, would ever claim that it had ended all wars for all time – especially outside it’s jurisdiction. That would be a very odd thing, fantastically stupid, to believe. Btw – has anyone made such a claim, let alone ‘The EU’ or ‘remainers’?
Anyhow, your lecture about eliding the EU with the continent is a bit rich given the comment I was responding to, which elided an opinion (which was perhaps never even said by any EU politician), with the whole of ‘the EU’, and thence onto all Brexiters. Brexit won, and as we are slowly finding out, we are all slowly losing – I wonder if that is related to why some Brexiters keep trying to justify their vote.
(deleted as posted twice)
I presume you have access to the internet?
Google can be your friend here.
“The EU is the biggest peacemaking institution ever created in human history,” said Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European council,
“The European Union is the Most Successful Peace Project in History” – Jean Claude Juncker
“Recent generations are the lucky ones, having known 70 years of peace and stability. We owe this in large measure to the EU, originally set up to bind one-time enemies together. It has been, and remains, a force for peace and stability in Europe” – Guy Verhofstadt
“A Union guaranteeing peace in Europe” – Martin Schulz
The EU needs to return to its roots | Mary Kaldor | The Guardian : From the beginning, the EU was a peace project. It was designed, initially, after Europe’s great civil war, to prevent another war on European soil and later to overcome the cold war divide. Indeed, a huge achievement of recent years has been the peaceful integration of the new eastern members.
The EU’s part in 70 years of peace in Europe | Letters | The Guardian
It was always lost on Brexiteers – but the EU is fundamentally about peace | Rafael Behr | The Guardian
The EU and the causes of peace in our time | European Union | The Guardian
It’s amazing that they could misspell NATO that many times.
None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war – presumably because that is a stupid claim, which Ian Stewart made and you supported.
Ended all war – who said that?
Ian stewart wrote: But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.
There. … In Europe...
is it clearer now?
on a separate note, every time I’ve glanced at this page, you have been down-voted and other posters upvoted. then I look back again and you seem to be in positive numbers, up from minus 7 or something, and posters with 8 or 9 votes seem to be at 1 or 2.
How many sock puppet accounts are you managing?
OK I’ll edit my comment for clarification – “None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war in Europe“. I didn’t realise it was necessary to keep adding that clause, given that the subject matter was about ‘war in Europe’ – so sorry for the confusion. Thank you though for the plethora of comments pointing out the widepsread view that the Union has helped achieve peace in Europe. Again, none said that it had done so for all time – that would be a weird and stupid thing to claim…but Ian Stewart claimed it nonetheless as part of a strawan argument.
Why were you so upset at my challenge of this obviously cheap shot – “But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.”? Just let it be. Brexit has happened, you won. However, it is not delivering: the predicted problems are manifesting, the predicted benefits not – and the polling figures have gone back firmly to where they have been for pretty much the whole time – in support of staying. As a loser Remainer I am infuriated by Brexiters taking any excuse to keep knocking the EU, and moaning about remainers – years after they’ve won – all rather odd. It increasingly looks like some people are trying to defend [themselves] from these clear & muliple signs of failure and inverted snobbery. They cannot possible have made a mistake, oh no. That’s the exclusive territory of remainers/labour/impure Tories/immigrants/Soros/trans people/atheists/Islington metropolitans(how very ’90s… showing thier age perhaps?), and of course, last but not least the Great Twin Satans – ‘The Elite’ and ‘The MSM’. This is why I’ll shortly be leaving Unherd for the FT – whilst the articles are generally good, they rotatate around the same few subjects ad nauseam; and for reasons not clear to me the commentariat is increasingly made up of reactionary Blimps and concrete thinkers playing splitting games – though not you Paddy, I’ve enjoyed your comments, intelligent and interesting…except this thread.
OK I’ll edit my comment for clarification – “None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war in Europe“. I didn’t realise it was necessary to keep adding that clause, given that the subject matter was about ‘war in Europe’ – so sorry for the confusion. Thank you though for the plethora of comments pointing out the widepsread view that the Union has helped achieve peace in Europe. Again, none said that it had done so for all time – that would be a weird and stupid thing to claim…but Ian Stewart claimed it nonetheless as part of a strawan argument.
Why were you so upset at my challenge of this obviously cheap shot – “But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.”? Just let it be. Brexit has happened, you won. However, it is not delivering: the predicted problems are manifesting, the predicted benefits not – and the polling figures have gone back firmly to where they have been for pretty much the whole time – in support of staying. As a loser Remainer I am infuriated by Brexiters taking any excuse to keep knocking the EU, and moaning about remainers – years after they’ve won – all rather odd. It increasingly looks like some people are trying to defend [themselves] from these clear & muliple signs of failure and inverted snobbery. They cannot possible have made a mistake, oh no. That’s the exclusive territory of remainers/labour/impure Tories/immigrants/Soros/trans people/atheists/Islington metropolitans(how very ’90s… showing thier age perhaps?), and of course, last but not least the Great Twin Satans – ‘The Elite’ and ‘The MSM’. This is why I’ll shortly be leaving Unherd for the FT – whilst the articles are generally good, they rotatate around the same few subjects ad nauseam; and for reasons not clear to me the commentariat is increasingly made up of reactionary Blimps and concrete thinkers playing splitting games – though not you Paddy, I’ve enjoyed your comments, intelligent and interesting…except this thread.
Ended all war – who said that?
Ian stewart wrote: But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.
There. … In Europe...
is it clearer now?
on a separate note, every time I’ve glanced at this page, you have been down-voted and other posters upvoted. then I look back again and you seem to be in positive numbers, up from minus 7 or something, and posters with 8 or 9 votes seem to be at 1 or 2.
How many sock puppet accounts are you managing?
It’s amazing that they could misspell NATO that many times.
None of this says, or implies, anywhere, the original claim I contested – that the EU said it had ended all war – presumably because that is a stupid claim, which Ian Stewart made and you supported.
(deleted as posted twice)
I presume you have access to the internet?
Google can be your friend here.
“The EU is the biggest peacemaking institution ever created in human history,” said Herman Van Rompuy, the president of the European council,
“The European Union is the Most Successful Peace Project in History” – Jean Claude Juncker
“Recent generations are the lucky ones, having known 70 years of peace and stability. We owe this in large measure to the EU, originally set up to bind one-time enemies together. It has been, and remains, a force for peace and stability in Europe” – Guy Verhofstadt
“A Union guaranteeing peace in Europe” – Martin Schulz
The EU needs to return to its roots | Mary Kaldor | The Guardian : From the beginning, the EU was a peace project. It was designed, initially, after Europe’s great civil war, to prevent another war on European soil and later to overcome the cold war divide. Indeed, a huge achievement of recent years has been the peaceful integration of the new eastern members.
The EU’s part in 70 years of peace in Europe | Letters | The Guardian
It was always lost on Brexiteers – but the EU is fundamentally about peace | Rafael Behr | The Guardian
The EU and the causes of peace in our time | European Union | The Guardian
Bingo!
Not only subsumed into a single pan-European state, But – ethnically, culturally, and socially cleansed of the ‘Four Olds’ (as under Mao): old ideas, old customs, old culture, and old habits of mind – and with a 5th, old ethnicity.
It is social engineering of the most radical kind, a Davos kind led by Satan’s little helper Yuval Harari, which he named ‘Homo Deus‘, tomorrow’s man, a creature right from Revelations 13:16….
Ah, so sorry – I just assumed that nobody, pro or agin the EU, would ever claim that it had ended all wars for all time – especially outside it’s jurisdiction. That would be a very odd thing, fantastically stupid, to believe. Btw – has anyone made such a claim, let alone ‘The EU’ or ‘remainers’?
Anyhow, your lecture about eliding the EU with the continent is a bit rich given the comment I was responding to, which elided an opinion (which was perhaps never even said by any EU politician), with the whole of ‘the EU’, and thence onto all Brexiters. Brexit won, and as we are slowly finding out, we are all slowly losing – I wonder if that is related to why some Brexiters keep trying to justify their vote.
And once again a Remainer elides the EU with Europe. They aren’t the same thing. One is a continent of nations, with all their rich cultural differences. The other is a bureaucratic trade organisation with imperial pretensions that would wish to see all those divergent nations subsumed into a single pan-European state.
The EU always claimed to have ended war in Europe – though the peoples of the former Yugoslavia (and, since, elsewhere) might have a word or two to say about that.
Neither country is in the EU. Aren’t you Brexiteers tired of winning yet?
But there can’t be another war in Europe. The Remainers said the EU ended all wars there.
Normies: ‘Nato is only a defensive alliance.’
Still waiting for their answer about which NATO country Serbia supposedly attacked in 1999.
To answer a different question: Nato attacked the one committing genocide.
I see you believe NATO and western media propaganda too.
I saw the photographs and videos, and I have actually visited both sides and spoken with locals too. That was enough for me to know genocide was attempted by Serbia.
I saw the photographs and videos, and I have actually visited both sides and spoken with locals too. That was enough for me to know genocide was attempted by Serbia.
I see you believe NATO and western media propaganda too.
To answer a different question: Nato attacked the one committing genocide.
Normies: ‘Nato is only a defensive alliance.’
Still waiting for their answer about which NATO country Serbia supposedly attacked in 1999.
How do you say ‘reconquista’ in Serbian?
How do you say ‘reconquista’ in Serbian?
Well done the Serbs.. no woke nonsense there…
No – it’s a change of licence plate rather than gender that has them threatening war.
No – it’s a change of licence plate rather than gender that has them threatening war.
Well done the Serbs.. no woke nonsense there…
Are we to anticipate NATO interference in Serbia/Kosova while it’s interference in Ukraine is still ongoing ? Here’s another chance for that “defensive” organisation to justify its existence, warmongering in areas which do not concern it.
Are we to anticipate NATO interference in Serbia/Kosova while it’s interference in Ukraine is still ongoing ? Here’s another chance for that “defensive” organisation to justify its existence, warmongering in areas which do not concern it.
Dear America. Stop causing trouble in Europe.
Dear America. Stop causing trouble in Europe.