I am now quite convinced that religious belief is necessary for the human condition. The ancients realised this and we moderns have rejected that wisdom. I now accept, unlike my younger self, that a Divine is needed to lend perspective. If we, as an alternative, worship things made by ourselves we lead shallow inconsequential lives. Deep down many know that the modern ‘religions’ (populated by wealthy kids of all ages with little to do) stick in the craw and are unsatisfying.
“….is obviously not the way forward, but nor is an aggressively secular policy that seeks to cleanse the public square of any hint of a higher power..” Yes.
I found my higher power after years of rejecting its existence. I had a predictable story. My wife died at 46. Face with raising three school age children I decided to rely on self will and alcohol. It did not go well. After four years of resistance, my higher power came in the form of AA. Whilst this does not apply to everyone, the sense of something bigger to help us through the most painful parts of human existence was what I had lacked in my educated ‘modern’ scientific view of the world.
It appears entirely reasonable to suggest that belief and happiness are completely consistent. But it has to be a form of traditional belief. Not a foundationless one we invented yesterday.
“self will and alcohol” – Isn’t this self-contradictory? One either has self-mastery of the will, such as how much one choose to drink, or one is an alcoholic, I don’t really see how the two are compatible.
Glad things are working out for you Paul. I came to the same conclusion as you after fifty years.
Francis MacGabhann
2 years ago
The trick, I think, is knowledge in depth. Religion is old wisdom, and if you study something like the history of Catholicism, you’ll know there’s nothing new under the sun. Nietzsche? Pelagian heresy. Trans movement? Gnosticism. You’re not going to get that strumming your tinny guitar at a Novus Ordo Mass or propping up that old rugged Cross. It’s a scandal that the Church is expending all its energy trying to bury what it spent 2000 years building.
Last edited 2 years ago by Francis MacGabhann
Andrew D
2 years ago
If you believe your life has a meaning you’re more likely to be happy than if you believe life is essentially meaningless. Pretty obvious really.
AC Harper
2 years ago
Hmm. Delve down into the questionnaire used and it starts off asking about religiosity and only then asks about wellbeing. The order of questions may be important and influence the outcome of the survey(s). Plus there is some possible bias in that only the people interested in filling out such a survey had their results included. Were the wellbeing questions alone offered to non-believers as a control? (Not obviously)
Just as assuming away the human soul and its spiritual needs is an ideological choice, so too is the assumption that believing in the human soul and spiritual needs is associated with wellbeing. More work needs to be done.
Josef Oskar
2 years ago
Approach to religion requires being humble and serious study. It should come as no surprise that the famous phrase:
“Love thy brother like thyself” is coming from the book of Leviticus ( the Hebrew Bible) 8’th century BC
as are many of today’s basic principles of our civilization which are taken for granted by everyone, “seculars” included.
He who saves one life saves the world entire, is an old jewish saying that was adopted, and they don’t know it, by Islam.
Respect thy father and mother is the fifth commandment. By the way in hebrew the word dibrot is not commandments, wrongly translated, but sayings. nobody is commanding you to observe them, it is your own responsibility.
It is one’s responsibility to choose between right and wrong.
I can go on for many , many lines but I hope I have delivered the messagge.
Sue Whorton
2 years ago
I found the term religiosity problematic so looked it up in an English and then American dictionary. UK calls religiosity excessive. American, the practice of devotion. Divided by a common language once again. I am someone of faith. I find it very irksome to be told that I believe in a literal bible. ( started mainly in 19 th Century. Previous generations thought the Bible was allegorical. I find it irksome to be told that faith is merely a crutch or the opium of the people. I find it horrendous that peoples’ beliefs can be used to control. Those control narratives also include atheistic states too. Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin? There is so much history and psychology in ancient writing. Instead, we tend to be told forms of magical thinking both religious and secular. If you pray hard enough, sacrifice enough etc. then you will get what you want instead of actually looking at what , for example, the Lord’s Prayer says. In context, the teaching urges the avoidance of virtue signaling by praying in secret for God’s will to be done , to forgive others and ourselves and to be grateful for the means of life on a daily basis. I found that a good way to negotiate the transition to becoming an adult.
Raymond Inauen
2 years ago
This is a complex issue, and to call religion the prescribed antidepressant for people with depression or other social problems would be a huge leap of faith. People with depression or other problems like addictions of any kind need help, but most of all they need to find a way out that helps them stand on their own two feet and not on some new crutch. Otherwise, they are easy prey for manipulation and may become addicted again and eventually not learn to stand on their own two feet. Religion promises things it cannot deliver, and even if many enjoy the communal aspect of their community, the moment a person tries to leave it, they will feel rejected again. Most religions understand this and have built their communities around the human need for community and a reason why we exist.
Vince B
2 years ago
An innate advantage of being religious, or deeply spiritual, is the knowledge/faith that there is meaning to this life and all its trials and triumphs – even if one can’t identify what that meaning is. That can take a person a long way in life.
On the other hand, I can’t imagine how empty, how existentially terrifying, it must be to live a life convinced that we are nothing but electrified meat, pursuing pleasure while avoiding pain, until the lights go out.
Well you grow up and decide without being told by a book that you should care for people you love and act generally altruistically. At the same time you’re not anguishing over absurd dogma that is self evidently not true. You don’t have dark nights of the soul because of some guilt you’re supposed to have. You don’t see war and destruction as ‘evil’. It comes from evolutionary animalistic impulses. That doesn’t make it better of course. You hate bad things but you don’t wonder why God allows it or assume it’s part of his plan like Patriarch Cyril in Russia and you don’t spend your time praying that something might or might not happen and justifying it as God’s will when it does or doesn’t. That would lead to despising one’s self wouldn’t it?
Ian Barton
2 years ago
If you are one of the many secular people who have strong ethics – and routinely do good deeds for others – then there is no gap for a religion to fill.
Maybe this is the correlation you are looking for.
A lot of people haven’t discovered how good it feels to do stuff for others in “the group” which is a highly successful factor in group survival/evolution.
There are many today who are doing good things, unfortunately they seem to be keen to do it for the pat on the back (virtue signalling) rather than the warm fuzzy feeling from being a decent sort.
Terence Fitch
2 years ago
Which one should I choose? They all have different beliefs and all claim to be correct. Perhaps Unherd is making some humorous point by publishing this next to the article about Patriarch Cyril endorsing Putin?
Last edited 2 years ago by Terence Fitch
Prashant Kotak
2 years ago
“… research shows that religiosity is linked to positive well-being…”
Absolutely. So are magic mushrooms.
“…Prescribing religion like a course of anti-depressants is obviously not the way forward…” a and the second part of that is not explored, why not just prescripe anti depressants, if they work out well for some?
To say “…nor is an aggressively secular policy that seeks to cleanse the public square of any hint of a higher power..”, well no doubt both the taliban and Big Pres Xi would agree with you.
I think you may be conflating happiness with meaning. Anti-depressants, ice cream and pizza can support the former, but a spirtual basis for living provides the latter.
I am now quite convinced that religious belief is necessary for the human condition. The ancients realised this and we moderns have rejected that wisdom. I now accept, unlike my younger self, that a Divine is needed to lend perspective. If we, as an alternative, worship things made by ourselves we lead shallow inconsequential lives. Deep down many know that the modern ‘religions’ (populated by wealthy kids of all ages with little to do) stick in the craw and are unsatisfying.
“….is obviously not the way forward, but nor is an aggressively secular policy that seeks to cleanse the public square of any hint of a higher power..”
Yes.
I found my higher power after years of rejecting its existence. I had a predictable story. My wife died at 46. Face with raising three school age children I decided to rely on self will and alcohol. It did not go well. After four years of resistance, my higher power came in the form of AA. Whilst this does not apply to everyone, the sense of something bigger to help us through the most painful parts of human existence was what I had lacked in my educated ‘modern’ scientific view of the world.
It appears entirely reasonable to suggest that belief and happiness are completely consistent. But it has to be a form of traditional belief. Not a foundationless one we invented yesterday.
“self will and alcohol” – Isn’t this self-contradictory? One either has self-mastery of the will, such as how much one choose to drink, or one is an alcoholic, I don’t really see how the two are compatible.
Glad things are working out for you Paul. I came to the same conclusion as you after fifty years.
The trick, I think, is knowledge in depth. Religion is old wisdom, and if you study something like the history of Catholicism, you’ll know there’s nothing new under the sun. Nietzsche? Pelagian heresy. Trans movement? Gnosticism. You’re not going to get that strumming your tinny guitar at a Novus Ordo Mass or propping up that old rugged Cross. It’s a scandal that the Church is expending all its energy trying to bury what it spent 2000 years building.
If you believe your life has a meaning you’re more likely to be happy than if you believe life is essentially meaningless. Pretty obvious really.
Hmm. Delve down into the questionnaire used and it starts off asking about religiosity and only then asks about wellbeing. The order of questions may be important and influence the outcome of the survey(s). Plus there is some possible bias in that only the people interested in filling out such a survey had their results included. Were the wellbeing questions alone offered to non-believers as a control? (Not obviously)
Just as assuming away the human soul and its spiritual needs is an ideological choice, so too is the assumption that believing in the human soul and spiritual needs is associated with wellbeing.
More work needs to be done.
Approach to religion requires being humble and serious study. It should come as no surprise that the famous phrase:
“Love thy brother like thyself” is coming from the book of Leviticus ( the Hebrew Bible) 8’th century BC
as are many of today’s basic principles of our civilization which are taken for granted by everyone, “seculars” included.
He who saves one life saves the world entire, is an old jewish saying that was adopted, and they don’t know it, by Islam.
Respect thy father and mother is the fifth commandment. By the way in hebrew the word dibrot is not commandments, wrongly translated, but sayings. nobody is commanding you to observe them, it is your own responsibility.
It is one’s responsibility to choose between right and wrong.
I can go on for many , many lines but I hope I have delivered the messagge.
I found the term religiosity problematic so looked it up in an English and then American dictionary. UK calls religiosity excessive. American, the practice of devotion. Divided by a common language once again. I am someone of faith. I find it very irksome to be told that I believe in a literal bible. ( started mainly in 19 th Century. Previous generations thought the Bible was allegorical. I find it irksome to be told that faith is merely a crutch or the opium of the people. I find it horrendous that peoples’ beliefs can be used to control. Those control narratives also include atheistic states too. Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin? There is so much history and psychology in ancient writing. Instead, we tend to be told forms of magical thinking both religious and secular. If you pray hard enough, sacrifice enough etc. then you will get what you want instead of actually looking at what , for example, the Lord’s Prayer says. In context, the teaching urges the avoidance of virtue signaling by praying in secret for God’s will to be done , to forgive others and ourselves and to be grateful for the means of life on a daily basis. I found that a good way to negotiate the transition to becoming an adult.
This is a complex issue, and to call religion the prescribed antidepressant for people with depression or other social problems would be a huge leap of faith. People with depression or other problems like addictions of any kind need help, but most of all they need to find a way out that helps them stand on their own two feet and not on some new crutch. Otherwise, they are easy prey for manipulation and may become addicted again and eventually not learn to stand on their own two feet. Religion promises things it cannot deliver, and even if many enjoy the communal aspect of their community, the moment a person tries to leave it, they will feel rejected again. Most religions understand this and have built their communities around the human need for community and a reason why we exist.
An innate advantage of being religious, or deeply spiritual, is the knowledge/faith that there is meaning to this life and all its trials and triumphs – even if one can’t identify what that meaning is. That can take a person a long way in life.
On the other hand, I can’t imagine how empty, how existentially terrifying, it must be to live a life convinced that we are nothing but electrified meat, pursuing pleasure while avoiding pain, until the lights go out.
Well you grow up and decide without being told by a book that you should care for people you love and act generally altruistically. At the same time you’re not anguishing over absurd dogma that is self evidently not true. You don’t have dark nights of the soul because of some guilt you’re supposed to have. You don’t see war and destruction as ‘evil’. It comes from evolutionary animalistic impulses. That doesn’t make it better of course. You hate bad things but you don’t wonder why God allows it or assume it’s part of his plan like Patriarch Cyril in Russia and you don’t spend your time praying that something might or might not happen and justifying it as God’s will when it does or doesn’t. That would lead to despising one’s self wouldn’t it?
If you are one of the many secular people who have strong ethics – and routinely do good deeds for others – then there is no gap for a religion to fill.
Maybe this is the correlation you are looking for.
A lot of people haven’t discovered how good it feels to do stuff for others in “the group” which is a highly successful factor in group survival/evolution.
There are many today who are doing good things, unfortunately they seem to be keen to do it for the pat on the back (virtue signalling) rather than the warm fuzzy feeling from being a decent sort.
Which one should I choose? They all have different beliefs and all claim to be correct. Perhaps Unherd is making some humorous point by publishing this next to the article about Patriarch Cyril endorsing Putin?
“… research shows that religiosity is linked to positive well-being…”
Absolutely. So are magic mushrooms.
“…Prescribing religion like a course of anti-depressants is obviously not the way forward…” a and the second part of that is not explored, why not just prescripe anti depressants, if they work out well for some?
To say “…nor is an aggressively secular policy that seeks to cleanse the public square of any hint of a higher power..”, well no doubt both the taliban and Big Pres Xi would agree with you.
You’re right. I’m sure Vladimir Putin feels much better about himself because of his advanced religiosity.
I think you may be conflating happiness with meaning. Anti-depressants, ice cream and pizza can support the former, but a spirtual basis for living provides the latter.