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Paul T
Paul T
1 year ago

I am no constitutional expert, but surely the UK government can declare that a Scottish Gender Recognition Certificate is not recognised in other parts of the UK. If this doesn’t help Scottish women who are furious about having their rights taken away, then Scottish women should stop voting for the SNP and vote in a different devolved government. Am I missing something?

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul T

Difficult to disagree, after all at the next round of elections the SNP will win again, so why should they change course?

Last edited 1 year ago by Arkadian X
Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul T

That would be the politically intelligent approach to take for the Tories – let Scots ‘enjoy’ becoming an attraction for sex tourists and the SNP vote should decline; and killing two birds with one stone, get the bonus of seeing Starmer and the Labour supporters of trans activists squirming, and losing women’s votes, as they defend this extremist position.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul T

The UK has a list of countries whose gender recognition certificates are not recognised. However, adding Scotland to this list would amount to accepting that Scotland is another country. Would that not be a win for Sturgeon?

Jeni England
Jeni England
1 year ago

It is another country, has a slightly differnt legal system etc, it just also happens to be part of a union of four countries.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeni England

It is not another country. It is just one country.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeni England

It is not another country. It is just one country.

Jeni England
Jeni England
1 year ago

It is another country, has a slightly differnt legal system etc, it just also happens to be part of a union of four countries.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul T

Difficult to disagree, after all at the next round of elections the SNP will win again, so why should they change course?

Last edited 1 year ago by Arkadian X
Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul T

That would be the politically intelligent approach to take for the Tories – let Scots ‘enjoy’ becoming an attraction for sex tourists and the SNP vote should decline; and killing two birds with one stone, get the bonus of seeing Starmer and the Labour supporters of trans activists squirming, and losing women’s votes, as they defend this extremist position.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul T

The UK has a list of countries whose gender recognition certificates are not recognised. However, adding Scotland to this list would amount to accepting that Scotland is another country. Would that not be a win for Sturgeon?

Paul T
Paul T
1 year ago

I am no constitutional expert, but surely the UK government can declare that a Scottish Gender Recognition Certificate is not recognised in other parts of the UK. If this doesn’t help Scottish women who are furious about having their rights taken away, then Scottish women should stop voting for the SNP and vote in a different devolved government. Am I missing something?

Methadras Aszlosis
Methadras Aszlosis
1 year ago

The circus of the absurd continues and will continue until this nonsense is confronted directly for the fraudulent weaponized ideology that it is. The world is now going to have to confront that lunatic and insane people are driving public policy and that politicians are seemingly in a zombie like state going with it.

Normal thinking people are so distracted that they either don’t care via apathy, don’t know how to confront this lunacy, or simply wish it to continue for fear of being cancelled. Fearlessness in the face of this mind virus needs to be demanded.

Methadras Aszlosis
Methadras Aszlosis
1 year ago

The circus of the absurd continues and will continue until this nonsense is confronted directly for the fraudulent weaponized ideology that it is. The world is now going to have to confront that lunatic and insane people are driving public policy and that politicians are seemingly in a zombie like state going with it.

Normal thinking people are so distracted that they either don’t care via apathy, don’t know how to confront this lunacy, or simply wish it to continue for fear of being cancelled. Fearlessness in the face of this mind virus needs to be demanded.

Andrew Buckley
Andrew Buckley
1 year ago

This seemed to me to be yet another attempt to push how different Westminster and Holyrood are to further the cause for independence.
Hot on the heels of another referendum request/court judgement. I expect there will be more of the same down the line.
Sturgeon and SNP seem to spend far more time fabricating “issues” with Westminster than actually governing!

Andrew Buckley
Andrew Buckley
1 year ago

This seemed to me to be yet another attempt to push how different Westminster and Holyrood are to further the cause for independence.
Hot on the heels of another referendum request/court judgement. I expect there will be more of the same down the line.
Sturgeon and SNP seem to spend far more time fabricating “issues” with Westminster than actually governing!

Stuart McCarthy
Stuart McCarthy
1 year ago

And since convictions for sexual offences will be no bar to transition in Sturgeon’s Gorbals paradise, the bloke in a dress next to you in the ladies’ room could be a caring rapist.

Stuart McCarthy
Stuart McCarthy
1 year ago

And since convictions for sexual offences will be no bar to transition in Sturgeon’s Gorbals paradise, the bloke in a dress next to you in the ladies’ room could be a caring rapist.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

It would be good to see the Tory Party standing up for women (and men who don’t wish to lie about people’s sexuality) and oppose this malign bill however they chose to proceed tactically. The important thing is to stand for decency and oppose an ideology of deliberate lies.

Anyone who has seen the YouTube interview by Jordan Peterson of Chloe Cole who decided to de-transition after being led towards surgical mutilation and testosterone treatment from the age of 13 would need a heart of stone to wish to see more of this barbarism perpetrated on young men and women.

Of course one should have sympathy for people troubled over their sexual identity but erasing the truth in the name of purported kindness to a few at the expense of confusion and risk to the many is not the way to proceed.

I can’t think of a better way for the Tory party to secure the moral high ground and the gratitude of many who are not their natural supporters from those Parties that wish to enshrine deliberate untruth into legislation.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

It would be good to see the Tory Party standing up for women (and men who don’t wish to lie about people’s sexuality) and oppose this malign bill however they chose to proceed tactically. The important thing is to stand for decency and oppose an ideology of deliberate lies.

Anyone who has seen the YouTube interview by Jordan Peterson of Chloe Cole who decided to de-transition after being led towards surgical mutilation and testosterone treatment from the age of 13 would need a heart of stone to wish to see more of this barbarism perpetrated on young men and women.

Of course one should have sympathy for people troubled over their sexual identity but erasing the truth in the name of purported kindness to a few at the expense of confusion and risk to the many is not the way to proceed.

I can’t think of a better way for the Tory party to secure the moral high ground and the gratitude of many who are not their natural supporters from those Parties that wish to enshrine deliberate untruth into legislation.

cara williams
cara williams
1 year ago

we have self ID n new zealand and it’s a nightmare. people need to take this very seriously. it’s not only about women’s spaces, and the chemical and surgical mutilation of healthy children, it’s an ideology that rapidly permeates through culture robbing people of reality and goodness.

cara williams
cara williams
1 year ago

we have self ID n new zealand and it’s a nightmare. people need to take this very seriously. it’s not only about women’s spaces, and the chemical and surgical mutilation of healthy children, it’s an ideology that rapidly permeates through culture robbing people of reality and goodness.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

There might be 27,000 trans people in Scotland, – maybe. And what percentage of those people support a law that allows sex offenders to automatically change their gender? Utter madness.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

There might be 27,000 trans people in Scotland, – maybe. And what percentage of those people support a law that allows sex offenders to automatically change their gender? Utter madness.

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

The Dress Act was repealed in 1782. Since that date, there has been no legal restriction in Scotland on men wearing skirts. So the new Gender Recognition Act would seem to be entirely unnecessary.

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

The Dress Act was repealed in 1782. Since that date, there has been no legal restriction in Scotland on men wearing skirts. So the new Gender Recognition Act would seem to be entirely unnecessary.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

Why should ministers help the SNP by issuing a Section 35 order?
Let devolution take its course. The GRC would only be valid in Scotland and if the Scots don’t like the Scottish law they can vote for a different party.
The decision on what to do seems like a “no brainier.”

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

“The GRC would only be valid in Scotland.”
Not true. Unless the UK Government takes some action it will be as valid in England as any other Scottish certification.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

“The GRC would only be valid in Scotland.”
Not true. Unless the UK Government takes some action it will be as valid in England as any other Scottish certification.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

Why should ministers help the SNP by issuing a Section 35 order?
Let devolution take its course. The GRC would only be valid in Scotland and if the Scots don’t like the Scottish law they can vote for a different party.
The decision on what to do seems like a “no brainier.”

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago

Real men don’t want to become women. And, biological men never can. Scotland the Brave has become Scotland the Utterly Insane.

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago

Real men don’t want to become women. And, biological men never can. Scotland the Brave has become Scotland the Utterly Insane.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

…under the rubric of ‘being kind’,…
And is that unbridled “empathy” and “compassion”? And if so, who uncorked that bottle of emotion?

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

…under the rubric of ‘being kind’,…
And is that unbridled “empathy” and “compassion”? And if so, who uncorked that bottle of emotion?

Simon McQueenie
Simon McQueenie
1 year ago

Great news. And now Drakeford says that he’d be in favour of implementing the same legislation in Wales if the Senedd had the power to do so.

BBC News – Mark Drakeford backs Scottish gender recognition move
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64228256

Last edited 1 year ago by Simon McQueenie
Simon McQueenie
Simon McQueenie
1 year ago

Great news. And now Drakeford says that he’d be in favour of implementing the same legislation in Wales if the Senedd had the power to do so.

BBC News – Mark Drakeford backs Scottish gender recognition move
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64228256

Last edited 1 year ago by Simon McQueenie
Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it once more: Scots are weird.There. I said it, so you don’t have to.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
1 year ago

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it once more: Scots are weird.There. I said it, so you don’t have to.

Dennis Anderson
Dennis Anderson
1 year ago

I am now ashamed to call myself a Scotsman. Dennis in Hereford

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

“That would limit the damage, but it won’t help Scottish women who are furious about having their rights taken away.”
Precisely what rights are being taken away?

Stuart McCarthy
Stuart McCarthy
1 year ago

Stuart McCarthy
The rights include not having blokes in a dress in the ladies’ room.

Andrew Buckley
Andrew Buckley
1 year ago

The right to stand in Court and accuse John of raping you and not have Joanna saying she didn’t do it!

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

The right of a rape victim to request a medical examination by a female doctor.

Alison Wren
Alison Wren
1 year ago

The right of a woman in prison to have a cell mate of the same sex… hence one who couldn’t possibly have been a rapist of adults or children

Simon McQueenie
Simon McQueenie
1 year ago

The right to not compete at sport against people who have been through male puberty. Safety and Fairness vs Inclusion.

Johan Grönwall
Johan Grönwall
1 year ago

The right not to have a wo-man changing clothes in the womens dressing room together with your young daughter.

Gorka Sillero
Gorka Sillero
1 year ago

you didn’t think this one through, did you?

Stuart McCarthy
Stuart McCarthy
1 year ago

Stuart McCarthy
The rights include not having blokes in a dress in the ladies’ room.

Andrew Buckley
Andrew Buckley
1 year ago

The right to stand in Court and accuse John of raping you and not have Joanna saying she didn’t do it!

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

The right of a rape victim to request a medical examination by a female doctor.

Alison Wren
Alison Wren
1 year ago

The right of a woman in prison to have a cell mate of the same sex… hence one who couldn’t possibly have been a rapist of adults or children

Simon McQueenie
Simon McQueenie
1 year ago

The right to not compete at sport against people who have been through male puberty. Safety and Fairness vs Inclusion.

Johan Grönwall
Johan Grönwall
1 year ago

The right not to have a wo-man changing clothes in the womens dressing room together with your young daughter.

Gorka Sillero
Gorka Sillero
1 year ago

you didn’t think this one through, did you?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

“That would limit the damage, but it won’t help Scottish women who are furious about having their rights taken away.”
Precisely what rights are being taken away?