In this sense, Poor Things should be welcomed as a shameless ode to Promethean creation and Dionysian hedonism.
Because if there’s anything this world needs more of right now, it’s antinomianism in pursuit of personal hedonism.
This one is just a w**k fantasy dressed up. A baby in grown woman’s body and this woman explores her sexuality as rebellion? Yawn. Well if she was fat and ugly, masturbating at the dinner table will not be that cute and sexy, nor will prostitution be such a lark.
Odd how being sexual is always portrayed as “being rebellious” when actually NOT being sexual is the rebellion
Martin Bollis
4 months ago
I genuinely wonder whether it is some innate part of the human condition to seek freedom. Freedom from physical want or oppression, obviously, but once we’re a couple of levels up Maslow’s hierarchy we seek social bonds. Surely for those to work some common understanding (aka rules) is necessary. At that point we limit our freedom voluntarily.
Much ‘freedom seeking’ today looks a lot more like a power grab.
Have you ever compared Locke’s social contract theory to Rousseau?
Everywhere societies adopt a respect for individual rights like personal property (Locke) over collective rights (Rousseau), freedom follows. If you’re going to see the world through a collective lens of group oppression you will become a tyrant. If you see people as unique individuals each having inherent value than you will value your neighbor and respect boundaries.
Marx’s scientific Promethianism comes from Rousseau’s theories about collective justice. All the dystopian stuff we’re seeing is only possible when people see fellow humans as test subjects for “Science” that must relinquish their individuality for the “greater good.”
I’d reconceive “seeking freedom” as seeking not be to lured into false beliefs; freedom, therefore, from subservience.
A “power grab” leads to subservience: living to maintain a position of power which, once acquired, becomes a burden to be maintained/endured. That’s why i feel sorry for those seeking ‘elite’ status; they’re living their lives within a delusion, and then they die.
Trying to conceive of what might constitute true freedom requires a new mythology. Promethean and Dionysian expressions of freedom don’t quite hack it for me.
Benedict Waterson
4 months ago
Stealing fire from the gods means that you get punished by the gods. There is no end solution for ‘humanity’s struggle for freedom,’ just the endless pursuit of a mirage.
In this sense, Poor Things should be welcomed as a shameless ode to Promethean creation and Dionysian hedonism.
Because if there’s anything this world needs more of right now, it’s antinomianism in pursuit of personal hedonism.
Antinomianism, my new ‘go to’ word. Thanks for that.
That is a Petersonian quote there!
This one is just a w**k fantasy dressed up. A baby in grown woman’s body and this woman explores her sexuality as rebellion? Yawn. Well if she was fat and ugly, masturbating at the dinner table will not be that cute and sexy, nor will prostitution be such a lark.
Odd how being sexual is always portrayed as “being rebellious” when actually NOT being sexual is the rebellion
I genuinely wonder whether it is some innate part of the human condition to seek freedom. Freedom from physical want or oppression, obviously, but once we’re a couple of levels up Maslow’s hierarchy we seek social bonds. Surely for those to work some common understanding (aka rules) is necessary. At that point we limit our freedom voluntarily.
Much ‘freedom seeking’ today looks a lot more like a power grab.
Have you ever compared Locke’s social contract theory to Rousseau?
Everywhere societies adopt a respect for individual rights like personal property (Locke) over collective rights (Rousseau), freedom follows. If you’re going to see the world through a collective lens of group oppression you will become a tyrant. If you see people as unique individuals each having inherent value than you will value your neighbor and respect boundaries.
Marx’s scientific Promethianism comes from Rousseau’s theories about collective justice. All the dystopian stuff we’re seeing is only possible when people see fellow humans as test subjects for “Science” that must relinquish their individuality for the “greater good.”
I’d reconceive “seeking freedom” as seeking not be to lured into false beliefs; freedom, therefore, from subservience.
A “power grab” leads to subservience: living to maintain a position of power which, once acquired, becomes a burden to be maintained/endured. That’s why i feel sorry for those seeking ‘elite’ status; they’re living their lives within a delusion, and then they die.
Trying to conceive of what might constitute true freedom requires a new mythology. Promethean and Dionysian expressions of freedom don’t quite hack it for me.
Stealing fire from the gods means that you get punished by the gods. There is no end solution for ‘humanity’s struggle for freedom,’ just the endless pursuit of a mirage.