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Peter B
Peter B
1 year ago

Yet another poll and analysis which simply ignores the well understood fact that young people’s views don’t stay the same as they grow older and accumulate greater experience and responsibilities.
I’m still not really a monarchist, but I’ve slowly drifted from being strongly republican to “this is the least worst option, so there’s no point changing” over two decades. I can’t believe this is unique.
You do sometimes wonder if the people doing this research are themselves too young and inexperienced to be aware of these things.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Ditto

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Can’t say I’m less of a republican as I get older but the last thing this country needs right now is a presidential election.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Dalton
polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

Even King Harry and Queen Meghan would be preferable to President Blair.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Oh good grief, the prospect of King Harry and Queen Meghan would turn me into a raging republican on the spot.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

I didn’t say that I welcomed the prospect, but Blair- dear God.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

I didn’t say that I welcomed the prospect, but Blair- dear God.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Oh good grief, the prospect of King Harry and Queen Meghan would turn me into a raging republican on the spot.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

So: No President Corbyn for you then

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

Even King Harry and Queen Meghan would be preferable to President Blair.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

So: No President Corbyn for you then

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Constitutional monarchy is the best option anyone has come up with so far. I’m open to other systems, but not any that exist at the moment; presidential systems are generally terrible.

Josh Allan
Josh Allan
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

The YouGov polls from ten years ago put support for the monarchy as more or less the same in all age groups. It’s only recently the young opinion has shifted (though the Unherd poll suggests this shift is less dramatic than YouGov would have you think).

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

I’ve gone from practically summoning the tumbrels when I was 16 to organising a Coronation party aged 50.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

I’ve always been a monarchist. As I’ve grown older, I’ve grown both more critical of it and yet more aware of the advantages. Especially during the most intense Brexit years, I felt it was a huge advantage to have state representatives that were removed from the political fray.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Exactly my point above which I posted before reading yours about a settled opinion. I too pointed out (as you have) none of the similar articles I have read seem to understand “opinions change”

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Ditto

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Can’t say I’m less of a republican as I get older but the last thing this country needs right now is a presidential election.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Dalton
Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Constitutional monarchy is the best option anyone has come up with so far. I’m open to other systems, but not any that exist at the moment; presidential systems are generally terrible.

Josh Allan
Josh Allan
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

The YouGov polls from ten years ago put support for the monarchy as more or less the same in all age groups. It’s only recently the young opinion has shifted (though the Unherd poll suggests this shift is less dramatic than YouGov would have you think).

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

I’ve gone from practically summoning the tumbrels when I was 16 to organising a Coronation party aged 50.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

I’ve always been a monarchist. As I’ve grown older, I’ve grown both more critical of it and yet more aware of the advantages. Especially during the most intense Brexit years, I felt it was a huge advantage to have state representatives that were removed from the political fray.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter B

Exactly my point above which I posted before reading yours about a settled opinion. I too pointed out (as you have) none of the similar articles I have read seem to understand “opinions change”

Peter B
Peter B
1 year ago

Yet another poll and analysis which simply ignores the well understood fact that young people’s views don’t stay the same as they grow older and accumulate greater experience and responsibilities.
I’m still not really a monarchist, but I’ve slowly drifted from being strongly republican to “this is the least worst option, so there’s no point changing” over two decades. I can’t believe this is unique.
You do sometimes wonder if the people doing this research are themselves too young and inexperienced to be aware of these things.

John Dellingby
John Dellingby
1 year ago

Even as someone who has never held republican views on this issue, the older I’ve got, the more I’ve seen the benefits of constitutional monarchy in action. Out of all our institutions, it’s pretty much the only one that is capable of broadly unifying people and has respect from the public. How anyone thinks another politician will be able to achieve that is beyond me.

As people get older and see how abysmal most of our politicians are, they realise this.

John Dellingby
John Dellingby
1 year ago

Even as someone who has never held republican views on this issue, the older I’ve got, the more I’ve seen the benefits of constitutional monarchy in action. Out of all our institutions, it’s pretty much the only one that is capable of broadly unifying people and has respect from the public. How anyone thinks another politician will be able to achieve that is beyond me.

As people get older and see how abysmal most of our politicians are, they realise this.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

Doesn’t augur well for Queen Nicola then?

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

She wont be Queen – she (may) be “President for Life” or some other such title. Doubtless interfering in the day to day running of Scotlands elected executive.

She would not be able to help herself.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

She wont be Queen – she (may) be “President for Life” or some other such title. Doubtless interfering in the day to day running of Scotlands elected executive.

She would not be able to help herself.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago

Doesn’t augur well for Queen Nicola then?

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

Well, the alternative of an elected head of state is not exactly without drawbacks, is it?

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

Well, the alternative of an elected head of state is not exactly without drawbacks, is it?

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago

I get exasperated when I read things like this. It is cheap journalism and tries to make points which are not really there. It shows one thing – that Scotland sees itself as independent of the British system. But didn’t we already know that?
If Scotland had a sensible leader, one who didn’t stand out as an idiot, one who didn’t go chasing the latest fashions, one who led the country without making independence a personal thing, one who led by being totally innocuous, one who irritated no-one, … then Scotland would be a lot closer to independence. They need someone like, er, that bloke in Wales.
The point about the monarchy being less popular than in 2019 needs no discussion at all.
The point about age shows only that young people don’t know. Surely, a healthy attitude.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago

I get exasperated when I read things like this. It is cheap journalism and tries to make points which are not really there. It shows one thing – that Scotland sees itself as independent of the British system. But didn’t we already know that?
If Scotland had a sensible leader, one who didn’t stand out as an idiot, one who didn’t go chasing the latest fashions, one who led the country without making independence a personal thing, one who led by being totally innocuous, one who irritated no-one, … then Scotland would be a lot closer to independence. They need someone like, er, that bloke in Wales.
The point about the monarchy being less popular than in 2019 needs no discussion at all.
The point about age shows only that young people don’t know. Surely, a healthy attitude.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

Its hardly surprising many younger people “dont know” whether Monarchy is a good thing.

I think your article (as do many similar ones) appear to make a presumption that “the block thinking of the young” will move through their lives. It doesn’t. People change their minds.

The reason I believe there are fewer older “dont knows” is that block has had a great deal of experience of “life” and perhaps are more sure than anything of their settled opinion.

No one is saying Royals can do no wrong – or dont screw up on occasion (they are human) – but seeing the continuing shenanigans of “here to day gone tomorrow” (to coin a phrase) politicians – its just possible older generation’s prefer the powerless stability of a Monarch – especially in the form of our much admired late Queen

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  rob drummond

The alternative to a monarchy is unthinkable.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
1 year ago
Reply to  rob drummond

The alternative to a monarchy is unthinkable.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

Its hardly surprising many younger people “dont know” whether Monarchy is a good thing.

I think your article (as do many similar ones) appear to make a presumption that “the block thinking of the young” will move through their lives. It doesn’t. People change their minds.

The reason I believe there are fewer older “dont knows” is that block has had a great deal of experience of “life” and perhaps are more sure than anything of their settled opinion.

No one is saying Royals can do no wrong – or dont screw up on occasion (they are human) – but seeing the continuing shenanigans of “here to day gone tomorrow” (to coin a phrase) politicians – its just possible older generation’s prefer the powerless stability of a Monarch – especially in the form of our much admired late Queen