A belligerent and rebarbative former alcoholic whose demeanour suggests that his head is akin to an upturned bucket full of angry wasps, full of unwarranted moral certitude, sees himself and others of his ilk in a Jesuitical role?
Dear God, how awful would that be?
More indoctrination. There won’t be debate. How can you debate anything when you can’t even agree on pro-nouns
Lancastrian Oik
11 months ago
A belligerent and rebarbative former alcoholic whose demeanour suggests that his head is akin to an upturned bucket full of angry wasps, full of unwarranted moral certitude, sees himself and others of his ilk in a Jesuitical role?
Dear God, how awful would that be?
Alphonse Pfarti
11 months ago
I thought that the overriding ‘big issues’ of climate catastrophism and pronouns were already rammed down kids’ throats by our education system.
Alphonse Pfarti
11 months ago
I thought that the overriding ‘big issues’ of climate catastrophism and pronouns were already rammed down kids’ throats by our education system.
Stephen Walsh
11 months ago
I always liked Rory Stewart. I didn’t agree with most of what he said, but I thought he was an admirable figure. I wasn’t impressed that he chickened out of defending Penrith and the Border in the 2019 general election, but preferred to be yet another London political wannabe. But it was only when he started a podcast with Alastair Campbell that I realised Stewart was a complete waste of space.
Precisely! A “complete waste of rations”, as The Black Watch would have said.
For others, “nice BUT wet” will suffice.
Stephen Walsh
11 months ago
I always liked Rory Stewart. I didn’t agree with most of what he said, but I thought he was an admirable figure. I wasn’t impressed that he chickened out of defending Penrith and the Border in the 2019 general election, but preferred to be yet another London political wannabe. But it was only when he started a podcast with Alastair Campbell that I realised Stewart was a complete waste of space.
Last edited 11 months ago by Stephen Walsh
polidori redux
11 months ago
Why is The Media promoting this wretched man? We are approaching rock bottom.
Because they/he thinks that he has left it long enough for us all to forget about scientists hanging from trees, sexed up dossiers for invasions on evidence from a student’s dissertation that displaced 000’s in the Middle East, lots of body bags etc etc. Gen Z doesn’t care and the London set didn’t care at the time anyway
Because they/he thinks that he has left it long enough for us all to forget about scientists hanging from trees, sexed up dossiers for invasions on evidence from a student’s dissertation that displaced 000’s in the Middle East, lots of body bags etc etc. Gen Z doesn’t care and the London set didn’t care at the time anyway
polidori redux
11 months ago
Why is The Media promoting this wretched man? We are approaching rock bottom.
Andrew Raiment
11 months ago
I’m always amazed at the people who studied philosophy or PPE at university who couldn’t recognise an informal fallacy in their own argument.
You mean like Boris Johnson AR? I assume you knew.
Andrew Raiment
11 months ago
I’m always amazed at the people who studied philosophy or PPE at university who couldn’t recognise an informal fallacy in their own argument.
Simon Neale
11 months ago
“…And today, it’s year two who are getting the sexed-up dossier. Kelly, stop talking and pay attention!”
Simon Neale
11 months ago
“…And today, it’s year two who are getting the sexed-up dossier. Kelly, stop talking and pay attention!”
AC Harper
11 months ago
“Campbell’s enthusiasm for the idea of a highly engaged youth is more than a little weird.”
Unless your political party is considering allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They need ‘educating’ don’t they?
AC Harper
11 months ago
“Campbell’s enthusiasm for the idea of a highly engaged youth is more than a little weird.”
Unless your political party is considering allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They need ‘educating’ don’t they?
Andrew Horsman
11 months ago
Shouldn’t grammar and dialectic come before rhetoric? Or is that also to be inverted?
Andrew Horsman
11 months ago
Shouldn’t grammar and dialectic come before rhetoric? Or is that also to be inverted?
Albert Potato
11 months ago
The men in white coats should have picked him up years ago under a Section 136 and delivered him into a ‘place of safety’, minus the padding.
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
I don’t get it. If kids truly engage in debate at school, how could this possibly be bad? I don’t care whose idea it is. Simply teaching students the basics of debate – that there are two sides to an issue – would be a monumental step forward from the indoctrination taking place today.
Who would oversee the overwhelmingly left-biased teachers and activist organisations that will wheedle their way in, to ensure they’re actually teaching both sides to issues rather than this just being yet another place to indoctrinate the children?
It would be a good thing if schools were actually going to two sides to the issues they’re debating… but we all know they won’t.
If they learn the basics of debating – that there are two sides to each issue – I can’t see how it hurts students. These are skills that will benefit them outside the classroom and possibly make them aware of when they are being indoctrinated inside the classroom.
If they learn the basics of debating – that there are two sides to each issue – I can’t see how it hurts students. These are skills that will benefit them outside the classroom and possibly make them aware of when they are being indoctrinated inside the classroom.
Campbell isn’t referring to “students” – he’s referring to children at primary school. They’re not “studying”, they’re intended to be acquiring the means to allow them to study.
Who would oversee the overwhelmingly left-biased teachers and activist organisations that will wheedle their way in, to ensure they’re actually teaching both sides to issues rather than this just being yet another place to indoctrinate the children?
It would be a good thing if schools were actually going to two sides to the issues they’re debating… but we all know they won’t.
Campbell isn’t referring to “students” – he’s referring to children at primary school. They’re not “studying”, they’re intended to be acquiring the means to allow them to study.
It would be debate in the same way as a struggle session in 1960s Beijing.
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
I don’t get it. If kids truly engage in debate at school, how could this possibly be bad? I don’t care whose idea it is. Simply teaching students the basics of debate – that there are two sides to an issue – would be a monumental step forward from the indoctrination taking place today.
j watson
11 months ago
Oh lordy, should have known it was that time again for UnHerd to wheel out an article about Campbell/Blair/Guardian. Definitely got to be an end of month subscription renewal curve behind this regularity. Obviously this Author’s turn said the Editor in Chief.
Nonetheless somehow AC has a Best Seller on the Bookshelves and a leading Podcast. That has got to be painful for many. He’s always worn his Left tribalism on his sleeve and his pugilistic style certainly entertaining especially when his guns are turned on some deserved tripe. The Right got a problem with youth too. It can’t connect and it’s policy biases have increased the inter-generational divide with no plans or proposals to abate this either. It’s best bet is that apathy (aside from some ID politics, which is a distraction from real issues) amongst the young keeps them docile. AC knows that’s the game and tries to fight against it. That’s why this particular issue winds up the Right.
As regards Author’s contention that ‘Brexit was a dramatic case of political conviction retaking territory that the sensible, grown-up tendency had thought settled’ – he should have added ‘…aided by lies, mendacity and stupidity that has so clearly unravelled such that the grown-up tendency is now trying to sort out the juvenile mess’.
j watson
11 months ago
Oh lordy, should have known it was that time again for UnHerd to wheel out an article about Campbell/Blair/Guardian. Definitely got to be an end of month subscription renewal curve behind this regularity. Obviously this Author’s turn said the Editor in Chief.
Nonetheless somehow AC has a Best Seller on the Bookshelves and a leading Podcast. That has got to be painful for many. He’s always worn his Left tribalism on his sleeve and his pugilistic style certainly entertaining especially when his guns are turned on some deserved tripe. The Right got a problem with youth too. It can’t connect and it’s policy biases have increased the inter-generational divide with no plans or proposals to abate this either. It’s best bet is that apathy (aside from some ID politics, which is a distraction from real issues) amongst the young keeps them docile. AC knows that’s the game and tries to fight against it. That’s why this particular issue winds up the Right.
As regards Author’s contention that ‘Brexit was a dramatic case of political conviction retaking territory that the sensible, grown-up tendency had thought settled’ – he should have added ‘…aided by lies, mendacity and stupidity that has so clearly unravelled such that the grown-up tendency is now trying to sort out the juvenile mess’.
A belligerent and rebarbative former alcoholic whose demeanour suggests that his head is akin to an upturned bucket full of angry wasps, full of unwarranted moral certitude, sees himself and others of his ilk in a Jesuitical role?
Dear God, how awful would that be?
As a fellow Lancastrian oik i applaud your linguistic facility, put to good use in the battle against the forces of weevil.
A round of applause for just how good a takedown this is.
More indoctrination. There won’t be debate. How can you debate anything when you can’t even agree on pro-nouns
As a fellow Lancastrian oik i applaud your linguistic facility, put to good use in the battle against the forces of weevil.
A round of applause for just how good a takedown this is.
More indoctrination. There won’t be debate. How can you debate anything when you can’t even agree on pro-nouns
A belligerent and rebarbative former alcoholic whose demeanour suggests that his head is akin to an upturned bucket full of angry wasps, full of unwarranted moral certitude, sees himself and others of his ilk in a Jesuitical role?
Dear God, how awful would that be?
I thought that the overriding ‘big issues’ of climate catastrophism and pronouns were already rammed down kids’ throats by our education system.
I thought that the overriding ‘big issues’ of climate catastrophism and pronouns were already rammed down kids’ throats by our education system.
I always liked Rory Stewart. I didn’t agree with most of what he said, but I thought he was an admirable figure. I wasn’t impressed that he chickened out of defending Penrith and the Border in the 2019 general election, but preferred to be yet another London political wannabe. But it was only when he started a podcast with Alastair Campbell that I realised Stewart was a complete waste of space.
Yes I was shocked to see him shred his reputation by associating with the Gorbals Goebbels.
Precisely! A “complete waste of rations”, as The Black Watch would have said.
For others, “nice BUT wet” will suffice.
Yes I was shocked to see him shred his reputation by associating with the Gorbals Goebbels.
Precisely! A “complete waste of rations”, as The Black Watch would have said.
For others, “nice BUT wet” will suffice.
I always liked Rory Stewart. I didn’t agree with most of what he said, but I thought he was an admirable figure. I wasn’t impressed that he chickened out of defending Penrith and the Border in the 2019 general election, but preferred to be yet another London political wannabe. But it was only when he started a podcast with Alastair Campbell that I realised Stewart was a complete waste of space.
Why is The Media promoting this wretched man? We are approaching rock bottom.
Because he’s got a Bestselling Book and Podcast PR. It’s a dreadful world isn’t it.
My, you collect downvotes by the bucketload don’t you?
Has it occured to you that you might have a problem?
Toadying to Campbell again Watson! It’s becoming quite a habit with you.
My, you collect downvotes by the bucketload don’t you?
Has it occured to you that you might have a problem?
Toadying to Campbell again Watson! It’s becoming quite a habit with you.
Because he used to be The Media’s de facto boss.
Because they/he thinks that he has left it long enough for us all to forget about scientists hanging from trees, sexed up dossiers for invasions on evidence from a student’s dissertation that displaced 000’s in the Middle East, lots of body bags etc etc. Gen Z doesn’t care and the London set didn’t care at the time anyway
It was a rhetoricsl question, but upticked for a good answer.
Apologies for the rant, very generous PR. The man should be a pariah yet is treated like a font of wisdom.
Apologies for the rant, very generous PR. The man should be a pariah yet is treated like a font of wisdom.
It was a rhetoricsl question, but upticked for a good answer.
Because he’s got a Bestselling Book and Podcast PR. It’s a dreadful world isn’t it.
Because he used to be The Media’s de facto boss.
Because they/he thinks that he has left it long enough for us all to forget about scientists hanging from trees, sexed up dossiers for invasions on evidence from a student’s dissertation that displaced 000’s in the Middle East, lots of body bags etc etc. Gen Z doesn’t care and the London set didn’t care at the time anyway
Why is The Media promoting this wretched man? We are approaching rock bottom.
I’m always amazed at the people who studied philosophy or PPE at university who couldn’t recognise an informal fallacy in their own argument.
You mean like Boris Johnson AR? I assume you knew.
Yep, him too… and Cameron.
Yep, him too… and Cameron.
You mean like Boris Johnson AR? I assume you knew.
I’m always amazed at the people who studied philosophy or PPE at university who couldn’t recognise an informal fallacy in their own argument.
“…And today, it’s year two who are getting the sexed-up dossier. Kelly, stop talking and pay attention!”
“…And today, it’s year two who are getting the sexed-up dossier. Kelly, stop talking and pay attention!”
“Campbell’s enthusiasm for the idea of a highly engaged youth is more than a little weird.”
Unless your political party is considering allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They need ‘educating’ don’t they?
“Campbell’s enthusiasm for the idea of a highly engaged youth is more than a little weird.”
Unless your political party is considering allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. They need ‘educating’ don’t they?
Shouldn’t grammar and dialectic come before rhetoric? Or is that also to be inverted?
Shouldn’t grammar and dialectic come before rhetoric? Or is that also to be inverted?
The men in white coats should have picked him up years ago under a Section 136 and delivered him into a ‘place of safety’, minus the padding.
I don’t get it. If kids truly engage in debate at school, how could this possibly be bad? I don’t care whose idea it is. Simply teaching students the basics of debate – that there are two sides to an issue – would be a monumental step forward from the indoctrination taking place today.
Who would oversee the overwhelmingly left-biased teachers and activist organisations that will wheedle their way in, to ensure they’re actually teaching both sides to issues rather than this just being yet another place to indoctrinate the children?
It would be a good thing if schools were actually going to two sides to the issues they’re debating… but we all know they won’t.
Do you seriously think any students will be taught, or allowed to argue, that there are two sides to every issue?
Will anyone be allowed to argue that trans-women are not women? That abortion is morally wrong? That more taxes are not the solution to every problem?
If they learn the basics of debating – that there are two sides to each issue – I can’t see how it hurts students. These are skills that will benefit them outside the classroom and possibly make them aware of when they are being indoctrinated inside the classroom.
If they learn the basics of debating – that there are two sides to each issue – I can’t see how it hurts students. These are skills that will benefit them outside the classroom and possibly make them aware of when they are being indoctrinated inside the classroom.
Campbell isn’t referring to “students” – he’s referring to children at primary school. They’re not “studying”, they’re intended to be acquiring the means to allow them to study.
And this isn’t a good thing?
And this isn’t a good thing?
It would be debate in the same way as a struggle session in 1960s Beijing.
Who would oversee the overwhelmingly left-biased teachers and activist organisations that will wheedle their way in, to ensure they’re actually teaching both sides to issues rather than this just being yet another place to indoctrinate the children?
It would be a good thing if schools were actually going to two sides to the issues they’re debating… but we all know they won’t.
Do you seriously think any students will be taught, or allowed to argue, that there are two sides to every issue?
Will anyone be allowed to argue that trans-women are not women? That abortion is morally wrong? That more taxes are not the solution to every problem?
Campbell isn’t referring to “students” – he’s referring to children at primary school. They’re not “studying”, they’re intended to be acquiring the means to allow them to study.
It would be debate in the same way as a struggle session in 1960s Beijing.
I don’t get it. If kids truly engage in debate at school, how could this possibly be bad? I don’t care whose idea it is. Simply teaching students the basics of debate – that there are two sides to an issue – would be a monumental step forward from the indoctrination taking place today.
Oh lordy, should have known it was that time again for UnHerd to wheel out an article about Campbell/Blair/Guardian. Definitely got to be an end of month subscription renewal curve behind this regularity. Obviously this Author’s turn said the Editor in Chief.
Nonetheless somehow AC has a Best Seller on the Bookshelves and a leading Podcast. That has got to be painful for many. He’s always worn his Left tribalism on his sleeve and his pugilistic style certainly entertaining especially when his guns are turned on some deserved tripe. The Right got a problem with youth too. It can’t connect and it’s policy biases have increased the inter-generational divide with no plans or proposals to abate this either. It’s best bet is that apathy (aside from some ID politics, which is a distraction from real issues) amongst the young keeps them docile. AC knows that’s the game and tries to fight against it. That’s why this particular issue winds up the Right.
As regards Author’s contention that ‘Brexit was a dramatic case of political conviction retaking territory that the sensible, grown-up tendency had thought settled’ – he should have added ‘…aided by lies, mendacity and stupidity that has so clearly unravelled such that the grown-up tendency is now trying to sort out the juvenile mess’.
Oh lordy, should have known it was that time again for UnHerd to wheel out an article about Campbell/Blair/Guardian. Definitely got to be an end of month subscription renewal curve behind this regularity. Obviously this Author’s turn said the Editor in Chief.
Nonetheless somehow AC has a Best Seller on the Bookshelves and a leading Podcast. That has got to be painful for many. He’s always worn his Left tribalism on his sleeve and his pugilistic style certainly entertaining especially when his guns are turned on some deserved tripe. The Right got a problem with youth too. It can’t connect and it’s policy biases have increased the inter-generational divide with no plans or proposals to abate this either. It’s best bet is that apathy (aside from some ID politics, which is a distraction from real issues) amongst the young keeps them docile. AC knows that’s the game and tries to fight against it. That’s why this particular issue winds up the Right.
As regards Author’s contention that ‘Brexit was a dramatic case of political conviction retaking territory that the sensible, grown-up tendency had thought settled’ – he should have added ‘…aided by lies, mendacity and stupidity that has so clearly unravelled such that the grown-up tendency is now trying to sort out the juvenile mess’.