France continues to blunder on, failing to face up to reality. Universal retirement at 62 ! With no pensions funds to pay for it. Totally unsustainable.
Much as I despise Macron, he’s doing the right thing here. Except that 64 is still much too low these days.
Indeed, in America most of us will be fortunate to retire at 65 (or 67?) and have enough in savings, never mind the complete debacle that is Social Security! But protestations contre le gouvernement, no?
Indeed, in America most of us will be fortunate to retire at 65 (or 67?) and have enough in savings, never mind the complete debacle that is Social Security! But protestations contre le gouvernement, no?
Peter B
1 year ago
France continues to blunder on, failing to face up to reality. Universal retirement at 62 ! With no pensions funds to pay for it. Totally unsustainable.
Much as I despise Macron, he’s doing the right thing here. Except that 64 is still much too low these days.
Tony Price
1 year ago
I concur with what I imagine the majority of the Unherd commentariat will say, which is that pension reform, in France and elsewhere, is necessary as lifespan has greatly outrun the current system. But some serious thought needs to be given to that as it ain’t quite so simple. After c.60 most people do slow down, both mentally and physically) and those who have had a predominantly manual working life (and not many of those read Unherd I would surmise) really are pretty stuffed by then. Our minds and bodies are simply not made to live as long as modern medical practice now allows them to do, so they wear out. Provision has to be made somehow to keep people working longer but much more easily. I am not wise enough to come up with the answer, but I suspect it involves more state intervention and easy job provision, perhaps not a popular path on here so please come up with an alternative strategy.
I’ve spent my life on building sites and not many lads make it to 60 still doing the manual stuff. The bodies start to break down mid 40’s, so we either shift into the office or get out of the trades completely. The few old boys still grafting on site are usually held together with pins and tape
I’ve spent my life on building sites and not many lads make it to 60 still doing the manual stuff. The bodies start to break down mid 40’s, so we either shift into the office or get out of the trades completely. The few old boys still grafting on site are usually held together with pins and tape
Tony Price
1 year ago
I concur with what I imagine the majority of the Unherd commentariat will say, which is that pension reform, in France and elsewhere, is necessary as lifespan has greatly outrun the current system. But some serious thought needs to be given to that as it ain’t quite so simple. After c.60 most people do slow down, both mentally and physically) and those who have had a predominantly manual working life (and not many of those read Unherd I would surmise) really are pretty stuffed by then. Our minds and bodies are simply not made to live as long as modern medical practice now allows them to do, so they wear out. Provision has to be made somehow to keep people working longer but much more easily. I am not wise enough to come up with the answer, but I suspect it involves more state intervention and easy job provision, perhaps not a popular path on here so please come up with an alternative strategy.
Peter B
1 year ago
So where is this “European military architecture” of which you speak ?
And what is this low visibility outfit actually doing ? For example, on its own doorstep in Ukraine ?
If I may, I suggest that the Poles have a much better understanding of who underwrites European security than the French. And are doing a lot more about actually defending European interests right now. As they did in WWII.
Finally, Europe is not – today – the core of Western civilisation. Western civilisation includes the entire Anglosphere (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ), plus many other countries beyond Europe (Japan, South Korea, Singapore). Doubtless I missed quite a few. But most of these are faster growing (economically and in population) than Europe which is in terminal relative decline. And has no plan to do anything to reverse that. We can all wish that weren’t true. But we must deal with the facts as they are.
Peter B
1 year ago
So where is this “European military architecture” of which you speak ?
And what is this low visibility outfit actually doing ? For example, on its own doorstep in Ukraine ?
If I may, I suggest that the Poles have a much better understanding of who underwrites European security than the French. And are doing a lot more about actually defending European interests right now. As they did in WWII.
Finally, Europe is not – today – the core of Western civilisation. Western civilisation includes the entire Anglosphere (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ), plus many other countries beyond Europe (Japan, South Korea, Singapore). Doubtless I missed quite a few. But most of these are faster growing (economically and in population) than Europe which is in terminal relative decline. And has no plan to do anything to reverse that. We can all wish that weren’t true. But we must deal with the facts as they are.
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
I agree with you, that the French should raise their retirement age to at least 65 years as most other European nations already have.
But your second point that the US is finished is very much exaggerated. The increase of Latinos is not a big deal, as a matter of fact most of them oppose wokeness and have conservative views about family. If DeSantis becomes President, it is because the Latino vote will increase on his side. As Reagan once said: Latinos are Republican, they just don’t know it yet.
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Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
I agree with you, that the French should raise their retirement age to at least 65 years as most other European nations already have.
But your second point that the US is finished is very much exaggerated. The increase of Latinos is not a big deal, as a matter of fact most of them oppose wokeness and have conservative views about family. If DeSantis becomes President, it is because the Latino vote will increase on his side. As Reagan once said: Latinos are Republican, they just don’t know it yet.
Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
Bruno Lucy
1 year ago
This life expectancy increase theory is seriously getting under my skin.
A man of 60 today is not going to see his life expectancy increase…..this is total and utter nonsense. On the other hand, he is going to have to work 2 more years.with the health he has …..today.
When one speaks about life expectancy……..it is …..at birth.
What should be taken into account is life expectancy in good health…….and France is doing poorly………compared to Scandinavia. The USA in that department is a horror show and a happy one for the pharmaceutical industry.
The attitude in France has always been “ the doctor will fix it “ almost no prevention policy unlike countries like Sweden for example.
Medical students prefer to be radiologists or skin doctor, public health is the least chosen curriculum.
Seen from Sweden what’s going on in France is just surreal.
What’s your point? People are living longer, so in order to pay for the pension then people either need to work longer or increase taxes on an already overburdened younger generation
If older people dropped working hours so that two older people shared one job, i.e working half-time, that income would probably be enough to keep them off the pension but still able to support themselves – most having paid off the mortgage by then.
If older people dropped working hours so that two older people shared one job, i.e working half-time, that income would probably be enough to keep them off the pension but still able to support themselves – most having paid off the mortgage by then.
What’s your point? People are living longer, so in order to pay for the pension then people either need to work longer or increase taxes on an already overburdened younger generation
Bruno Lucy
1 year ago
This life expectancy increase theory is seriously getting under my skin.
A man of 60 today is not going to see his life expectancy increase…..this is total and utter nonsense. On the other hand, he is going to have to work 2 more years.with the health he has …..today.
When one speaks about life expectancy……..it is …..at birth.
What should be taken into account is life expectancy in good health…….and France is doing poorly………compared to Scandinavia. The USA in that department is a horror show and a happy one for the pharmaceutical industry.
The attitude in France has always been “ the doctor will fix it “ almost no prevention policy unlike countries like Sweden for example.
Medical students prefer to be radiologists or skin doctor, public health is the least chosen curriculum.
Seen from Sweden what’s going on in France is just surreal.
M. M.
1 year ago
Peter Allen wrote, “They are furious at the way he bypassed a parliamentary vote on raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 last week, and instead pushed through the hugely unpopular measure by emergency decree.”
As the French lifespan increases, the retirement age must also increase because the additional years of life require additional goods and services, which must be produced by the French themselves.
President Emmanuel Macron understands this fact, so he is determined to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, which is still too low. By contrast, the Japanese retirement age is 70.
The choice for the French is either to plan ahead by raising the retirement age now or to wait until national bankruptcy forces raising it in the future. The French electorate wants the second option, and Macron should give it to them so that they can learn the painful lesson of the national bankruptcy.
Macron has exhibited great foresight on another important issue: establishing a European military architecture that is independent of the United States and its proxy, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture (as the American population is swelled by anti-Western migrants from primarily Latin America and secondarily South Asia), and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, 40% of the residents are currently Hispanic. Most residents of the state already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
In other words, by 2040, the non-Western United States will cease being an ally of Western nations like France. The non-Western American government will implement policies that harm French interests.
The choice for the Europeans is either to plan ahead by severing ties to NATO now or to wait until American hostility (toward Western civilization) forces this severing in the future. Some Eastern Europeans (like the Poles) want the second option, but Macron should adamantly oppose it because the security of Europe impacts not only Eastern Europe but but also impacts the the rest of Europe. Europe is the core of Western civilization.
Peter Allen wrote, “They are furious at the way he bypassed a parliamentary vote on raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 last week, and instead pushed through the hugely unpopular measure by emergency decree.”
As the French lifespan increases, the retirement age must also increase because the additional years of life require additional goods and services, which must be produced by the French themselves.
President Emmanuel Macron understands this fact, so he is determined to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, which is still too low. By contrast, the Japanese retirement age is 70.
The choice for the French is either to plan ahead by raising the retirement age now or to wait until national bankruptcy forces raising it in the future. The French electorate wants the second option, and Macron should give it to them so that they can learn the painful lesson of the national bankruptcy.
Macron has exhibited great foresight on another important issue: establishing a European military architecture that is independent of the United States and its proxy, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture (as the American population is swelled by anti-Western migrants from primarily Latin America and secondarily South Asia), and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, 40% of the residents are currently Hispanic. Most residents of the state already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
In other words, by 2040, the non-Western United States will cease being an ally of Western nations like France. The non-Western American government will implement policies that harm French interests.
The choice for the Europeans is either to plan ahead by severing ties to NATO now or to wait until American hostility (toward Western civilization) forces this severing in the future. Some Eastern Europeans (like the Poles) want the second option, but Macron should adamantly oppose it because the security of Europe impacts not only Eastern Europe but but also impacts the the rest of Europe. Europe is the core of Western civilization.
France continues to blunder on, failing to face up to reality. Universal retirement at 62 ! With no pensions funds to pay for it. Totally unsustainable.
Much as I despise Macron, he’s doing the right thing here. Except that 64 is still much too low these days.
Indeed, in America most of us will be fortunate to retire at 65 (or 67?) and have enough in savings, never mind the complete debacle that is Social Security! But protestations contre le gouvernement, no?
Well if you Yanks, and especially the richer ones, paid European tax rates then maybe you would have a social welfare system worthy of the name.
Well if you Yanks, and especially the richer ones, paid European tax rates then maybe you would have a social welfare system worthy of the name.
Indeed, in America most of us will be fortunate to retire at 65 (or 67?) and have enough in savings, never mind the complete debacle that is Social Security! But protestations contre le gouvernement, no?
France continues to blunder on, failing to face up to reality. Universal retirement at 62 ! With no pensions funds to pay for it. Totally unsustainable.
Much as I despise Macron, he’s doing the right thing here. Except that 64 is still much too low these days.
I concur with what I imagine the majority of the Unherd commentariat will say, which is that pension reform, in France and elsewhere, is necessary as lifespan has greatly outrun the current system. But some serious thought needs to be given to that as it ain’t quite so simple. After c.60 most people do slow down, both mentally and physically) and those who have had a predominantly manual working life (and not many of those read Unherd I would surmise) really are pretty stuffed by then. Our minds and bodies are simply not made to live as long as modern medical practice now allows them to do, so they wear out. Provision has to be made somehow to keep people working longer but much more easily. I am not wise enough to come up with the answer, but I suspect it involves more state intervention and easy job provision, perhaps not a popular path on here so please come up with an alternative strategy.
I’ve spent my life on building sites and not many lads make it to 60 still doing the manual stuff. The bodies start to break down mid 40’s, so we either shift into the office or get out of the trades completely. The few old boys still grafting on site are usually held together with pins and tape
I’ve spent my life on building sites and not many lads make it to 60 still doing the manual stuff. The bodies start to break down mid 40’s, so we either shift into the office or get out of the trades completely. The few old boys still grafting on site are usually held together with pins and tape
I concur with what I imagine the majority of the Unherd commentariat will say, which is that pension reform, in France and elsewhere, is necessary as lifespan has greatly outrun the current system. But some serious thought needs to be given to that as it ain’t quite so simple. After c.60 most people do slow down, both mentally and physically) and those who have had a predominantly manual working life (and not many of those read Unherd I would surmise) really are pretty stuffed by then. Our minds and bodies are simply not made to live as long as modern medical practice now allows them to do, so they wear out. Provision has to be made somehow to keep people working longer but much more easily. I am not wise enough to come up with the answer, but I suspect it involves more state intervention and easy job provision, perhaps not a popular path on here so please come up with an alternative strategy.
So where is this “European military architecture” of which you speak ?
And what is this low visibility outfit actually doing ? For example, on its own doorstep in Ukraine ?
If I may, I suggest that the Poles have a much better understanding of who underwrites European security than the French. And are doing a lot more about actually defending European interests right now. As they did in WWII.
Finally, Europe is not – today – the core of Western civilisation. Western civilisation includes the entire Anglosphere (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ), plus many other countries beyond Europe (Japan, South Korea, Singapore). Doubtless I missed quite a few. But most of these are faster growing (economically and in population) than Europe which is in terminal relative decline. And has no plan to do anything to reverse that. We can all wish that weren’t true. But we must deal with the facts as they are.
So where is this “European military architecture” of which you speak ?
And what is this low visibility outfit actually doing ? For example, on its own doorstep in Ukraine ?
If I may, I suggest that the Poles have a much better understanding of who underwrites European security than the French. And are doing a lot more about actually defending European interests right now. As they did in WWII.
Finally, Europe is not – today – the core of Western civilisation. Western civilisation includes the entire Anglosphere (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ), plus many other countries beyond Europe (Japan, South Korea, Singapore). Doubtless I missed quite a few. But most of these are faster growing (economically and in population) than Europe which is in terminal relative decline. And has no plan to do anything to reverse that. We can all wish that weren’t true. But we must deal with the facts as they are.
I agree with you, that the French should raise their retirement age to at least 65 years as most other European nations already have.
But your second point that the US is finished is very much exaggerated. The increase of Latinos is not a big deal, as a matter of fact most of them oppose wokeness and have conservative views about family. If DeSantis becomes President, it is because the Latino vote will increase on his side. As Reagan once said: Latinos are Republican, they just don’t know it yet.
I agree with you, that the French should raise their retirement age to at least 65 years as most other European nations already have.
But your second point that the US is finished is very much exaggerated. The increase of Latinos is not a big deal, as a matter of fact most of them oppose wokeness and have conservative views about family. If DeSantis becomes President, it is because the Latino vote will increase on his side. As Reagan once said: Latinos are Republican, they just don’t know it yet.
This life expectancy increase theory is seriously getting under my skin.
A man of 60 today is not going to see his life expectancy increase…..this is total and utter nonsense. On the other hand, he is going to have to work 2 more years.with the health he has …..today.
When one speaks about life expectancy……..it is …..at birth.
What should be taken into account is life expectancy in good health…….and France is doing poorly………compared to Scandinavia. The USA in that department is a horror show and a happy one for the pharmaceutical industry.
The attitude in France has always been “ the doctor will fix it “ almost no prevention policy unlike countries like Sweden for example.
Medical students prefer to be radiologists or skin doctor, public health is the least chosen curriculum.
Seen from Sweden what’s going on in France is just surreal.
What’s your point? People are living longer, so in order to pay for the pension then people either need to work longer or increase taxes on an already overburdened younger generation
If older people dropped working hours so that two older people shared one job, i.e working half-time, that income would probably be enough to keep them off the pension but still able to support themselves – most having paid off the mortgage by then.
If older people dropped working hours so that two older people shared one job, i.e working half-time, that income would probably be enough to keep them off the pension but still able to support themselves – most having paid off the mortgage by then.
What’s your point? People are living longer, so in order to pay for the pension then people either need to work longer or increase taxes on an already overburdened younger generation
This life expectancy increase theory is seriously getting under my skin.
A man of 60 today is not going to see his life expectancy increase…..this is total and utter nonsense. On the other hand, he is going to have to work 2 more years.with the health he has …..today.
When one speaks about life expectancy……..it is …..at birth.
What should be taken into account is life expectancy in good health…….and France is doing poorly………compared to Scandinavia. The USA in that department is a horror show and a happy one for the pharmaceutical industry.
The attitude in France has always been “ the doctor will fix it “ almost no prevention policy unlike countries like Sweden for example.
Medical students prefer to be radiologists or skin doctor, public health is the least chosen curriculum.
Seen from Sweden what’s going on in France is just surreal.
Peter Allen wrote, “They are furious at the way he bypassed a parliamentary vote on raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 last week, and instead pushed through the hugely unpopular measure by emergency decree.”
As the French lifespan increases, the retirement age must also increase because the additional years of life require additional goods and services, which must be produced by the French themselves.
President Emmanuel Macron understands this fact, so he is determined to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, which is still too low. By contrast, the Japanese retirement age is 70.
The choice for the French is either to plan ahead by raising the retirement age now or to wait until national bankruptcy forces raising it in the future. The French electorate wants the second option, and Macron should give it to them so that they can learn the painful lesson of the national bankruptcy.
Macron has exhibited great foresight on another important issue: establishing a European military architecture that is independent of the United States and its proxy, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture (as the American population is swelled by anti-Western migrants from primarily Latin America and secondarily South Asia), and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, 40% of the residents are currently Hispanic. Most residents of the state already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
In other words, by 2040, the non-Western United States will cease being an ally of Western nations like France. The non-Western American government will implement policies that harm French interests.
The choice for the Europeans is either to plan ahead by severing ties to NATO now or to wait until American hostility (toward Western civilization) forces this severing in the future. Some Eastern Europeans (like the Poles) want the second option, but Macron should adamantly oppose it because the security of Europe impacts not only Eastern Europe but but also impacts the the rest of Europe. Europe is the core of Western civilization.
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Peter Allen wrote, “They are furious at the way he bypassed a parliamentary vote on raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 last week, and instead pushed through the hugely unpopular measure by emergency decree.”
As the French lifespan increases, the retirement age must also increase because the additional years of life require additional goods and services, which must be produced by the French themselves.
President Emmanuel Macron understands this fact, so he is determined to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64, which is still too low. By contrast, the Japanese retirement age is 70.
The choice for the French is either to plan ahead by raising the retirement age now or to wait until national bankruptcy forces raising it in the future. The French electorate wants the second option, and Macron should give it to them so that they can learn the painful lesson of the national bankruptcy.
Macron has exhibited great foresight on another important issue: establishing a European military architecture that is independent of the United States and its proxy, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
By 2040, the United States will cease being a Western nation, due to open borders. By 2040, most Americans will reject Western culture (as the American population is swelled by anti-Western migrants from primarily Latin America and secondarily South Asia), and Hispanic culture will dominate. In California, 40% of the residents are currently Hispanic. Most residents of the state already reject Western culture, and Hispanic culture dominates.
In other words, by 2040, the non-Western United States will cease being an ally of Western nations like France. The non-Western American government will implement policies that harm French interests.
The choice for the Europeans is either to plan ahead by severing ties to NATO now or to wait until American hostility (toward Western civilization) forces this severing in the future. Some Eastern Europeans (like the Poles) want the second option, but Macron should adamantly oppose it because the security of Europe impacts not only Eastern Europe but but also impacts the the rest of Europe. Europe is the core of Western civilization.
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USA will be finished much sooner than 2040. There will then be less trouble and wars in the World.
USA will be finished much sooner than 2040. There will then be less trouble and wars in the World.