Good riddance to be honest and this from someone who has been reading The Guardian for 50 years and has always voted Labour unless a Lib Dem would be the better option to oust a Tory. I have no problem with John Harris and Aditya Chakrabortty but Owen is beyond the pale.
I’m sure his mummy , whose shadow he still lives under, cares about his utterings. Kind of like the parental delight you experience when you are convinced your child’s first word was something amazing but everyone else just heard a loud burping sound.
UnHerd Reader
1 month ago
“Jones didn’t only trumpet his resignation in his podcast: in a 1,300-word whinge for the Guardian he complained that the party had become a “hostile environment” for those on the Left, and that he and his comrades felt like “pariahs”. This is a dizzying double standard.”
It maybe, but its very true that Left wingers, critical thinkers, etc, are being marginalised or even booted out of the party, some are cranks who probably are best in a far left sect, but many aren’t, and are a loss.
Starmer does have to get rid of the Socialists though. He wouldn’t want to damage his election prospects by leaving too many nut-job Left Wingers in the Party.
Dave Weeden
1 month ago
Just when many people think Labour will romp home at the next election, Owen Jones backs a campaign which “will target the seats of senior Labour MPs.” There is no rational explanation for this behaviour. He MUST be a Tory sleeper agent. (Except none of them could run a whelk stall, and they’re all totally indiscreet.)
He’s right that Starmer is untrustworthy and doesn’t possess any principles, but by this point he’s said so many bad things about Sir Keir that at least one or two of them would be true just by chance. Still, we can now look forward to ‘Russell Brand [or blokeish celeb du jour] has endorsed “We Deserve Better” and the Tories and Labour should be worried” appearing in the Guardian before October.
If wee nerdy lad is to target the seats of senior Labour MP’s and Galloway’s mates are doing a save HAMAS run as well, it may not be an easy shoe in for Labour. Given that Pixie Balls-Cooper declined to answer if Labour would pay the WASPI victims having made an impassioned denouncement of the Tories. It would appear we should rename it a General Defection, if/when it arrives.
Katharine Eyre
1 month ago
Labour’s not doing well on the whole “broad church” thing these days.
You can’t represent the working poor and millionaire public sector and media professionals at the same time. The interests of these two groups are diametrically opposed.
Starmer has realised this (with nudging from Blair). Expect ever higher taxation and regulation of small business with the rent-seeking middle class bought off with rising house prices, fat contracts for the corporates and GDP growth driven entirely by mass immigration. The Blair formula in short.
I love this. Yes, those fools are tearing themselves apart. They’ll still get elected because of Tory fatigue but all they’ll do is argue among themselves.
Nik Jewell
1 month ago
I suspect he won’t be the last. There must be many in the media class who are now thinking, ‘I’ve been batting for Labour against the Tories for years, now I’m going to have to defend them and their policies once they are in power’.
I am old enough to remember when Labour represented the WORKING class. An old Labour councillor told me that when he first joined the party its membership consisted of factory workers, shop workers and agricultural workers. He said he was the only councillor in his party who had actually come up through the trade union movement, but now he was outnumbered by the hard left who had never done a day on a shop floor in their life.
Mike Downing
1 month ago
Oh no, not a hissy fit from Talcum X ?
Now he’s left Labour, he’ll have more time to look for those ‘broody lesbians ‘ to make a baby with. BLESS.
We can have a whip round ( ooeeer) so he can bring succour ( or should that be ‘sucker’?) to those Hamas tunnel-dwellers under A&E departments in Gaza.
Just the sight of his ‘Queers for Palestine ‘ flag is bound to cheer them up – or at least give them some target practice.
But what will be left if you do that?
A couple of dozen people tops.
Paddy Taylor
1 month ago
Owen Jones, Talcum X, the increasingly ludicrous Marxist schoolboy- vying only with James O’Brien as the most objectionable media voice of the Left..
Anyone who wants to see Labour lose should mourn wee Owen’s departure from the party. He is political Kryptonite. Every candidate he endorsed in 2019 went on to lose. He fanboyed Corbyn to a record defeat, yet still insists “we won the argument”, the poor lad is as delusional as he is infuriating. Owen made it his personal mission to see Boris lose his seat in Uxbridge, and appeared many times in support of his Labour opponent. The result of all Owen’s effort? – Boris nearly doubled his majority!
Tyler Durden
1 month ago
He represented the Socialist Worker Party faction and their work in electing Jeremy Corbyn, the SWP being obsessed with Israel and originally established by an expatriated campaigned for the 1970s Palestinian intifada.
However, the Labour Party left after this fiasco is also a disaster, lacking any updated political identity other than what they’ve borrowed from the US Democrats and standing on a single platform of a Europhilia with secret economic plans to align with Frankfurt and have a go at entering the euro single currency again.
Tombs, well named, I moved back to Italy three years ago, and I live incomparably better than I did in the UK. You are an idiot who knows nothing whatsoever of anything outside his “salesmen not wanted” welcome mat.
Michael K
1 month ago
Is there a pressure group or something a Labour member can get involved with to try to push for change? The party seems infested with woke activists and incompetent middle managers terrified of questioning anything.
I genuinely feel politically homeless.
It is always good to see someone seeing the light late in the day rather than never seeing it at all. However, Jones helped to bring Starmer to where he is by not helping to repudiate the hysterical campaign about “anti-semitism” which was used to undermine Corbyn, and with it the socialist policies he advanced.
Has all the hypocrites accusing Jones of hypocrisy are clearly confessing by projecting.
He has been principled in exposing and documenting Israel’s genocide over many months. He is the opposite of the Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB KC.
Oh he is a real person, more’s the pity. His article in the G is pure spite because he can’t get what’s on his shopping list for Labour’s manifesto pledges. Cleaning windows is about all he’s fit for, but like many lefties, he’s got ideas above his ability level.
Yes, he’s real. I heard him speak and met him. Not impressed
Richard C
1 month ago
Jone’s departure is clearly a boost for the Labour Party as some wary Lib Dems and Red Tories – that is, the Conservative parliamentary party – will now see it as a safer home for them.
Being wrong on pretty much everything didn’t stop Biden from becoming President and it hasn’t cost Jone’s his job so maybe that’s the way of the future in the media classes, as it is in the political?
UnHerd Reader
1 month ago
Mr Jones has a phenomenal talent for self-promotion. What’s astonishing – and is one of the many reasons I stopped buying and even reading the paper – is how willing the Guardian has been to encourage him in these endeavours.
exactly, he was once a decent voice for the working class until he realised they had no interest in bringing about the next marxist revolution at which point he took agin them big time in favour of more potentially revolutionary sectors like trans
Wild Mare
1 month ago
Any chance of him retiring to a Trappist monastery?
Alex Lekas
1 month ago
whenever someone utters things like war crimes, oppression, and genocide, it’s a good indication that they are parroting talking points and have nothing useful to say. One could reasonably question the extent to which the Israeli govt is pursuing retribution for October 7, but it’s poor form to act as if that day never happened.
How is it retribution? Hamas have said they are prepared to have a re run of Ocotober 07th. Only a fool wouldn’t take their enemy serious when they tell yiu their intentions. Perhaps the citizens of Gaza who cheered and spat at the body of murdered young women should reflect on their part in all this. As should those who built the tunnels and shelter Hamas in civilian spaces.
UnHerd Reader
1 month ago
More time now to play with his plastic hammers and sickles.
John Lammi
1 month ago
Does he ever tell the truth?
Shrunken Genepool
1 month ago
I think you mean the tip of the iceberg
Alistair Scott
1 month ago
I’ve always thought Rod Liddle’s renaming of Jones as Squealer was painfully accurate.
Catherine Conroy
1 month ago
Great article, thanks.
I’d love to see the back of both Starmer and Jones, duplicitous careerists.
The Guardian, sinking more deeply into identity politics bullshit.
James Kirk
1 month ago
My Dad was Sunday Mirror Labour. Mum was Sunday Times Tory. He hated Wilson, ‘Does he want to give it away to Heath??’ he’d rage. ‘Scanlon? He’ll get industry shut down!’
Mum hated Thatcher. Poor me. I’ve never given Labour a thought beyond wondering who could vote for Prescots, Rayners, Corbyns, Abbotts, Lammys. Take Starmer and his blind eye to chilld grooming. Tories? I can’t bear the Ellwoods, Tugendhats. Social climbers and Remainers who quote democracy only when it suits. Not even meritocrats.
Talcum X, love it. Deport him to N. Korea.
Good riddance to be honest and this from someone who has been reading The Guardian for 50 years and has always voted Labour unless a Lib Dem would be the better option to oust a Tory. I have no problem with John Harris and Aditya Chakrabortty but Owen is beyond the pale.
Who cares what Owen Jones thinks?
I’m sure his mummy , whose shadow he still lives under, cares about his utterings. Kind of like the parental delight you experience when you are convinced your child’s first word was something amazing but everyone else just heard a loud burping sound.
“Jones didn’t only trumpet his resignation in his podcast: in a 1,300-word whinge for the Guardian he complained that the party had become a “hostile environment” for those on the Left, and that he and his comrades felt like “pariahs”. This is a dizzying double standard.”
It maybe, but its very true that Left wingers, critical thinkers, etc, are being marginalised or even booted out of the party, some are cranks who probably are best in a far left sect, but many aren’t, and are a loss.
Starmer does have to get rid of the Socialists though. He wouldn’t want to damage his election prospects by leaving too many nut-job Left Wingers in the Party.
Just when many people think Labour will romp home at the next election, Owen Jones backs a campaign which “will target the seats of senior Labour MPs.” There is no rational explanation for this behaviour. He MUST be a Tory sleeper agent. (Except none of them could run a whelk stall, and they’re all totally indiscreet.)
He’s right that Starmer is untrustworthy and doesn’t possess any principles, but by this point he’s said so many bad things about Sir Keir that at least one or two of them would be true just by chance. Still, we can now look forward to ‘Russell Brand [or blokeish celeb du jour] has endorsed “We Deserve Better” and the Tories and Labour should be worried” appearing in the Guardian before October.
The ‘rational explanation’ for Owen’s behaviour is straightforward: ocean-going narcissism.
If you will forgive me, I feel ‘rational explanation’ may be overegging the pudding.
let’s hope there’s an iceberg
‘ocean-going narcissism’ – beautiful phrase.
I often wondered if Corbyn was a mole. Starmer’s injected dozens in to make up.
If wee nerdy lad is to target the seats of senior Labour MP’s and Galloway’s mates are doing a save HAMAS run as well, it may not be an easy shoe in for Labour. Given that Pixie Balls-Cooper declined to answer if Labour would pay the WASPI victims having made an impassioned denouncement of the Tories. It would appear we should rename it a General Defection, if/when it arrives.
Labour’s not doing well on the whole “broad church” thing these days.
The current culture rewards one-cause obsessives who are an awkward fit in a ‘broad church’, left or right.
You can’t represent the working poor and millionaire public sector and media professionals at the same time. The interests of these two groups are diametrically opposed.
Starmer has realised this (with nudging from Blair). Expect ever higher taxation and regulation of small business with the rent-seeking middle class bought off with rising house prices, fat contracts for the corporates and GDP growth driven entirely by mass immigration. The Blair formula in short.
The only broad church in Westminster is the Catholic cathedral.
Is it possible to have a broad church when it comes to socialism?
I love this. Yes, those fools are tearing themselves apart. They’ll still get elected because of Tory fatigue but all they’ll do is argue among themselves.
I suspect he won’t be the last. There must be many in the media class who are now thinking, ‘I’ve been batting for Labour against the Tories for years, now I’m going to have to defend them and their policies once they are in power’.
I am old enough to remember when Labour represented the WORKING class. An old Labour councillor told me that when he first joined the party its membership consisted of factory workers, shop workers and agricultural workers. He said he was the only councillor in his party who had actually come up through the trade union movement, but now he was outnumbered by the hard left who had never done a day on a shop floor in their life.
Oh no, not a hissy fit from Talcum X ?
Now he’s left Labour, he’ll have more time to look for those ‘broody lesbians ‘ to make a baby with. BLESS.
We can have a whip round ( ooeeer) so he can bring succour ( or should that be ‘sucker’?) to those Hamas tunnel-dwellers under A&E departments in Gaza.
Just the sight of his ‘Queers for Palestine ‘ flag is bound to cheer them up – or at least give them some target practice.
If there’s to be a ‘whip round’ may I bid £100 to administer the first 100 lashes!
Good. Labour needs to be purged of rubbish like this.
But what will be left if you do that?
A couple of dozen people tops.
Owen Jones, Talcum X, the increasingly ludicrous Marxist schoolboy- vying only with James O’Brien as the most objectionable media voice of the Left..
Anyone who wants to see Labour lose should mourn wee Owen’s departure from the party. He is political Kryptonite. Every candidate he endorsed in 2019 went on to lose. He fanboyed Corbyn to a record defeat, yet still insists “we won the argument”, the poor lad is as delusional as he is infuriating. Owen made it his personal mission to see Boris lose his seat in Uxbridge, and appeared many times in support of his Labour opponent. The result of all Owen’s effort? – Boris nearly doubled his majority!
He represented the Socialist Worker Party faction and their work in electing Jeremy Corbyn, the SWP being obsessed with Israel and originally established by an expatriated campaigned for the 1970s Palestinian intifada.
However, the Labour Party left after this fiasco is also a disaster, lacking any updated political identity other than what they’ve borrowed from the US Democrats and standing on a single platform of a Europhilia with secret economic plans to align with Frankfurt and have a go at entering the euro single currency again.
And that is bad because?
If you’re Italian you must know why.
Tombs, well named, I moved back to Italy three years ago, and I live incomparably better than I did in the UK. You are an idiot who knows nothing whatsoever of anything outside his “salesmen not wanted” welcome mat.
Is there a pressure group or something a Labour member can get involved with to try to push for change? The party seems infested with woke activists and incompetent middle managers terrified of questioning anything.
I genuinely feel politically homeless.
I suspect many on the right would share your concern.
Hold your nose and give Tice a chance. Plenty of their candidates have dirty fingernails. Labour have well and truly pulled the ladder up.
there is, Its called The Conservative Party.
It is always good to see someone seeing the light late in the day rather than never seeing it at all. However, Jones helped to bring Starmer to where he is by not helping to repudiate the hysterical campaign about “anti-semitism” which was used to undermine Corbyn, and with it the socialist policies he advanced.
I think it was more IRA, Hamas and by inference ISIS that Jones ‘forgot’ about.
Israel’s attack on Gaza? Who attacked who on October 7th?
Has all the hypocrites accusing Jones of hypocrisy are clearly confessing by projecting.
He has been principled in exposing and documenting Israel’s genocide over many months. He is the opposite of the Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB KC.
The number of people who don’t understand what the word genocide means is quite amazing!
and simultaneously depressing and frightening
Is ‘Owen Jones’ a real person, has anyone seen him in the flesh? Prehaps I could employ him to clean my windows.
Oh he is a real person, more’s the pity. His article in the G is pure spite because he can’t get what’s on his shopping list for Labour’s manifesto pledges. Cleaning windows is about all he’s fit for, but like many lefties, he’s got ideas above his ability level.
when your ability level is as low as his, every idea falls into that category
Yes, he’s real. I heard him speak and met him. Not impressed
Jone’s departure is clearly a boost for the Labour Party as some wary Lib Dems and Red Tories – that is, the Conservative parliamentary party – will now see it as a safer home for them.
Being wrong on pretty much everything didn’t stop Biden from becoming President and it hasn’t cost Jone’s his job so maybe that’s the way of the future in the media classes, as it is in the political?
Mr Jones has a phenomenal talent for self-promotion. What’s astonishing – and is one of the many reasons I stopped buying and even reading the paper – is how willing the Guardian has been to encourage him in these endeavours.
exactly, he was once a decent voice for the working class until he realised they had no interest in bringing about the next marxist revolution at which point he took agin them big time in favour of more potentially revolutionary sectors like trans
Any chance of him retiring to a Trappist monastery?
whenever someone utters things like war crimes, oppression, and genocide, it’s a good indication that they are parroting talking points and have nothing useful to say. One could reasonably question the extent to which the Israeli govt is pursuing retribution for October 7, but it’s poor form to act as if that day never happened.
It is not retribution, the response is to destroy a barbaric army that has declared it intends to commit further genocide.
How is it retribution? Hamas have said they are prepared to have a re run of Ocotober 07th. Only a fool wouldn’t take their enemy serious when they tell yiu their intentions. Perhaps the citizens of Gaza who cheered and spat at the body of murdered young women should reflect on their part in all this. As should those who built the tunnels and shelter Hamas in civilian spaces.
More time now to play with his plastic hammers and sickles.
Does he ever tell the truth?
I think you mean the tip of the iceberg
I’ve always thought Rod Liddle’s renaming of Jones as Squealer was painfully accurate.
Great article, thanks.
I’d love to see the back of both Starmer and Jones, duplicitous careerists.
The Guardian, sinking more deeply into identity politics bullshit.
My Dad was Sunday Mirror Labour. Mum was Sunday Times Tory. He hated Wilson, ‘Does he want to give it away to Heath??’ he’d rage. ‘Scanlon? He’ll get industry shut down!’
Mum hated Thatcher. Poor me. I’ve never given Labour a thought beyond wondering who could vote for Prescots, Rayners, Corbyns, Abbotts, Lammys. Take Starmer and his blind eye to chilld grooming. Tories? I can’t bear the Ellwoods, Tugendhats. Social climbers and Remainers who quote democracy only when it suits. Not even meritocrats.
Talcum X, love it. Deport him to N. Korea.