Self-generated images mean that no adult was physically present in the room when the images were taken, usually on a webcam or phone or tablet camera.
Just to be clear – are the figures given for this the numbers of images taken by children of themselves (presumably naked, or part naked) at the instigation of an adult who was grooming them for that purpose? That is, it does not include images being exchanged by children of roughly the same age. I’m not saying that the latter are not of concern, but they are different to the former.
When this is not clear, there is always a concern that numbers are being inflated by leaving readers to assume the worst case.
I presume they were taken by adult “groomers” and wound up on p*rn sites? If the photos were shared between children I would be aghast to find that any third party (including this watchdog group) could access them.
It just isn’t clear from the article. And I think it needs to be. The images seem to have been generated by the children themselves. So what was the context?
There appears to have been a “report” of some kind to the organisation. But did this include parents or teachers reporting activity between children and adolescents, in which adults were not actually involved?
Last edited 2 years ago by David Morley
GA Woolley
2 years ago
Of course we can also reasonably blame lockdowns.’ Really? I guess that more also takes place in the evenings, and in school holidays. Does that mean we should also ‘blame’ evenings and school holidays?
Obviously lockdowns are a perfectly normal thing to do in Western society, and they couldn’t possibly cause or worsen any psychological issues. That is excluding depression, anxiety disorders, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and other neurological diseases – but that’s off-topic.
David Morley
2 years ago
Last month pop star Billie Eilish bravely spoke out about how watching porn from the age of 11 had “destroyed [her] brain” and “devastated” her views about sex.
It’s not quite clear in what sense Ms Eilish’s brain has been destroyed, but this habit of blaming a cause outside of oneself for one’s own hang ups and psychological problems is nothing new. We’ve all met messed up people, they all have theories as to why they are messed up, from bad parents to the patriarchy, but that is no proof they are right. Perhaps Ms Eilish is just struggling with an encounter with some of the darker aspects of her own sexuality, and is having a hard job accepting them.
Well, it has been said that if you stare into a porn movie for too long, the porn movie eventually stares back.
David Morley
2 years ago
Re the headline – if the viewing of all pornography tripled during the lockdown (seems likely), this is complete non-news.
Ian Stewart
2 years ago
No doubt we’ll find out in 10-20 years, or more, all the kids that have been groomed and abused using the internet. Then they’ll decide the harm is so great that people have to be identifiable on social media.
Yeah but it’s technically difficult to guarantee. Like money laundering, it’s easy to get round anonymity rules – they’re just for the plebs who won’t break the law and stupid criminals.
The technical problems are immense, but this won’t stop ministers from pushing it. It’s the kind of idea that will tick a lot of boxes. Some private sector companies will over promise government with a solution that won’t work and make a lot of money while the government will claim to be combatting all kinds of online crimes. Meanwhile, the subservient sections of the press will laud it as the right thing to do, even if it it doesn’t fix the problems and merely pushes them even further underground.
Michael K
2 years ago
Yeah well maybe we shouldn’t be locking people in for weeks to protect them from “the sniffles” and then wonder why everything is going down the drain. If staying locked in at home was such a fun thing to do, we would have made a yearly holiday out of it long ago.
On a side note, nobody should take pop stars’ comments on life seriously. They don’t live in the real world, and they’re usually just throwing temper tantrums to get attention. Basically there’s nobody who could give worse advice out there.
Andrew D
2 years ago
Yet more evidence of the harm wrought by lockdown, far greater than that caused by the virus. Also further evidence, if it were needed, of man’s depravity.
The anti-gun lobby argues that the proliferation of gun violence in the US is a consequence of the proliferation of guns. This is (to me) self-evident. In the light of this article, what’s worse – to give a child a smart phone, or an AK47?
I grew up on a farm in the 1940’s, from memory largely unsupervised, where the vehicles, guns, blades, tools, livestock and powered implements had “limitless potential” for serious damage to kids. I and all my schoolmates got loads of bites, stings, cuts, kicks and bruises but we all survived just fine. Phones ?? ……. are you kidding?
You’re not aware of the thousands of cases of abuse just by one individual to kids all over the world using their smartphones, some of whom subsequently committed suicide? Yeah guns are much more harmful!
Or… do you think those kids deserved it? Some kind of Darwinian weeding out of the innocent and naive?
All children are brought into this world innocent and naive. I and my peers had authoritative, inculcating and disciplining fathers, grandfathers and male primary school teachers: without these guides and role models children tragically remain vulnerable.
Just to be clear – are the figures given for this the numbers of images taken by children of themselves (presumably naked, or part naked) at the instigation of an adult who was grooming them for that purpose?
That is, it does not include images being exchanged by children of roughly the same age.
I’m not saying that the latter are not of concern, but they are different to the former.
When this is not clear, there is always a concern that numbers are being inflated by leaving readers to assume the worst case.
I presume they were taken by adult “groomers” and wound up on p*rn sites? If the photos were shared between children I would be aghast to find that any third party (including this watchdog group) could access them.
It just isn’t clear from the article. And I think it needs to be. The images seem to have been generated by the children themselves. So what was the context?
There appears to have been a “report” of some kind to the organisation. But did this include parents or teachers reporting activity between children and adolescents, in which adults were not actually involved?
Of course we can also reasonably blame lockdowns.’ Really? I guess that more also takes place in the evenings, and in school holidays. Does that mean we should also ‘blame’ evenings and school holidays?
Obviously lockdowns are a perfectly normal thing to do in Western society, and they couldn’t possibly cause or worsen any psychological issues. That is excluding depression, anxiety disorders, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and other neurological diseases – but that’s off-topic.
It’s not quite clear in what sense Ms Eilish’s brain has been destroyed, but this habit of blaming a cause outside of oneself for one’s own hang ups and psychological problems is nothing new.
We’ve all met messed up people, they all have theories as to why they are messed up, from bad parents to the patriarchy, but that is no proof they are right.
Perhaps Ms Eilish is just struggling with an encounter with some of the darker aspects of her own sexuality, and is having a hard job accepting them.
Well, it has been said that if you stare into a porn movie for too long, the porn movie eventually stares back.
Re the headline – if the viewing of all pornography tripled during the lockdown (seems likely), this is complete non-news.
No doubt we’ll find out in 10-20 years, or more, all the kids that have been groomed and abused using the internet. Then they’ll decide the harm is so great that people have to be identifiable on social media.
Isn’t that already in the works?
Yeah but it’s technically difficult to guarantee. Like money laundering, it’s easy to get round anonymity rules – they’re just for the plebs who won’t break the law and stupid criminals.
The technical problems are immense, but this won’t stop ministers from pushing it. It’s the kind of idea that will tick a lot of boxes. Some private sector companies will over promise government with a solution that won’t work and make a lot of money while the government will claim to be combatting all kinds of online crimes. Meanwhile, the subservient sections of the press will laud it as the right thing to do, even if it it doesn’t fix the problems and merely pushes them even further underground.
Yeah well maybe we shouldn’t be locking people in for weeks to protect them from “the sniffles” and then wonder why everything is going down the drain. If staying locked in at home was such a fun thing to do, we would have made a yearly holiday out of it long ago.
On a side note, nobody should take pop stars’ comments on life seriously. They don’t live in the real world, and they’re usually just throwing temper tantrums to get attention. Basically there’s nobody who could give worse advice out there.
Yet more evidence of the harm wrought by lockdown, far greater than that caused by the virus. Also further evidence, if it were needed, of man’s depravity.
The anti-gun lobby argues that the proliferation of gun violence in the US is a consequence of the proliferation of guns. This is (to me) self-evident. In the light of this article, what’s worse – to give a child a smart phone, or an AK47?
If it is fitted with a full magazine and the safety lever mid-position, then the AK47 is by far the worst.
My question was rhetorical…
You can see someone using a gun to shoot just people in range….a smartphone has limitless potential and you won’t know it’s damage your kids.
I grew up on a farm in the 1940’s, from memory largely unsupervised, where the vehicles, guns, blades, tools, livestock and powered implements had “limitless potential” for serious damage to kids. I and all my schoolmates got loads of bites, stings, cuts, kicks and bruises but we all survived just fine. Phones ?? ……. are you kidding?
Ahh – but perhaps you were free of that most dangerous of all risks to children – over anxious parents.
You’re not aware of the thousands of cases of abuse just by one individual to kids all over the world using their smartphones, some of whom subsequently committed suicide? Yeah guns are much more harmful!
Or… do you think those kids deserved it? Some kind of Darwinian weeding out of the innocent and naive?
All children are brought into this world innocent and naive. I and my peers had authoritative, inculcating and disciplining fathers, grandfathers and male primary school teachers: without these guides and role models children tragically remain vulnerable.
Both are terrible. The AK47 kills your body, while the smartphone kills your soul.