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Alex Mitchell
Alex Mitchell
3 years ago

Nottingham city centre is reasonably well served with older buildings. It is instructive to note the Trip to Jerusalem and others carved into the rock are still serviceable after hundreds of years but the Broad Marsh lasted 40ish. A city centre park would be a good idea. Certainly more worthwhile than more shops.

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Mitchell

The answer is so clear, build shiny new ‘Khrushchyovka’.You know, the Stalinist housing apartment complexes so incompatible with healthy human society, but will cheaply house large amounts of low income folk and still look the same no matter how neglected or graffiti covered, gotta warehouse those economically inactive people somewhere.

Barry Coombes
Barry Coombes
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Mate, I don’t think they were ever shiny, they picked up the nickname “khrushchyoba” more or less straight away because they were worse quality than the nice Stalinist apartment complexes (classy external architecture, high ceilings, no piss in the stairwells) you seem not to like. I lived in a khrushchyovka for a couple of years: it was fine. I was on the top floor and there was no lift, but it’s good for your fitness and I still run up the stairs at work 20 years later.

They’ve more or less wiped them out in Moscow, not because they were incompatible with healthy human society, but because they, as 5 storey buildings, were taking up space that could be filled by a 30 storey building. Many people were unhappy that their small scale khrushchyovka was being demolished for more faceless dehumanising towerblocks and they’d get dumped in a new flat somewhere on the outskirts..

David George
David George
3 years ago

“Modernism, on the other hand, begins with a city and ends in a wilderness”
A great metaphor for post modernism?

Kiran Grimm
Kiran Grimm
3 years ago

There is (to my mind at least) a noticable parallel between urban planning and social engineering. Both start from a position of distrust, distaste and even contempt for tradition and both wish to impose intellectually devised systems on the population with as little input as they can get away with from those whose lives will be most affected by the creation of this “new and improved” world.

Neil Papadeli
Neil Papadeli
3 years ago
Reply to  Kiran Grimm

And both seem to have a habit of ‘throwing the baby out with the bath-water’. Or, at least, not caring what happened to the baby.

David J
David J
3 years ago

For Nottingham read Leicester, at least as it was through the 1970s.
I used to visit my parents there every few months, and each time another bit of handsome old Leicester had been bulldozed.
The apogee of hideosity was a shiny red-tile fish market, glowering down from its hulking seven-stories directly onto a fine 1500s half-timbered shop. I believe it was the oldest commercial property in the city.
But things change at last ““ that ugly fish market has been demolished!

Robin Williamson
Robin Williamson
3 years ago
Reply to  David J

So…just the rest of Leicester to go, then?

James Moss
James Moss
3 years ago

Lets be honest, it was an eyesore when it was first built – the anchor tenant was the Co-op! There were never enough retailers to fill both it and the Victoria Centre, of which it was always the ugly cousin. Bear in mind though, the buildings it replaced were yet more horrible (basicly, slums).

Lewis Eliot
Lewis Eliot
3 years ago

Oi! Modernism isn’t the same as modernity. Try Harder.

Eric Crow
Eric Crow
3 years ago

A return to nature seems preferable to another round of expansive, top-down central planning which only seems to sap our spirit further. We’ve been failing to transfuse lifeblood into our culture for 70 years now, we can’t prolong the fall forever.

Maybe the wetlands will do us some good and will raise a generation who aren’t pathologised into thinking the state can cure all ills. Perhaps they’ll even take it upon themselves to drain the swamp of their own volition!

Nah, what am I thinking? This time we’ll do it better, right? How hard can it be to get right? This time, less concrete and more solar panels! That’s sure to spark the dynamism we so desperately need…

Ellie Gladiataurus
Ellie Gladiataurus
3 years ago

How about a tastefully executed new housing project?

We’re always being told about the great need for affordable housing.

Dave H
Dave H
3 years ago

The retail-and-dining focused development that was due to open in Southampton recently, in similar circumstances after a derelict shopping centre has been knocked down, has been changed to a more housing-focused plan in light of changing economic conditions.

Could work in Notts too.

Sportinguista zoeeavidigal
Sportinguista zoeeavidigal
3 years ago

I suppose it would always provide somewhere for the street drinkers to congregate. Always supposing they didn’t end up in the ponds. They’ll likely go with housing in the end which is ironic as that was what was there before as the slums of Narrow Marsh. I can’t feel much investment in it as likely we’ll leave before long and we never visit the town centre much anyway, it feels somewhat soulless these days.

johntshea2
johntshea2
3 years ago

And cancel Christmas! Oh wait, right city but wrong century…

blanes
blanes
3 years ago

Ahh yes, Rewilding. Part of UN Agenda 21 https://onlinelibrary.wiley
https://thesovereigner.net/

Warren Alexander
Warren Alexander
3 years ago

Good modern buildings will last. Bad ones won’t. The trick is to know which is which before they are built.