December 21, 2021 - 1:30pm
Even people who tend to oppose censorship can agree that the law should protect us from severe forms of misrepresentation. I should not be able to declare that someone kidnaps, tortures and executes puppies, for example, without being compelled to provide evidence.
It has often been argued, on the other hand, that British libel laws are too prohibitive. Even after a landmark case in 2010 led to their partial relaxation, British laws remain very “claimant friendly” and the UK is an attractive destination for libel tourism.
Yesterday, the British television presenter Rachel Riley won a libel suit against Laura Murray, former head of complaints for the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn. Mr Justice Nicklin awarded Ms Riley £10,000 damages.
It all started in 2019 when Jeremy Corbyn was struck with an egg while visiting a mosque. Riley, an outspoken opponent of Mr Corbyn, uploaded a screenshot of a tweet that Owen Jones had posted when Nick Griffin, former leader of the British National Party, had been struck with an egg. “I think sound life advice is, if you don’t want eggs thrown at you, don’t be a Nazi,” Jones had said. “Good advice,” Riley quipped.
Murray responded by saying that Riley had claimed: “Corbyn deserves to be violently attacked because he is a Nazi. This woman is as dangerous as she is stupid. Nobody should engage with her. Ever.”
Now, there is a good case to be made that this was an overreaction. But I do not think it is unfair to suggest that the initial tweet was provocative in its mischievous ambiguity. As it happens, neither does the judge. Riley’s tweet, Nicklin ruled:
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SubscribeUtter tosh and bad for the UK, bad for the world, bad for free speech and freedom of thought.
I believe that there is a football hooligan currently incarcerated because of racist abuse–I don’t approve, wouldn’t do it, but it is not and should never be a real crime.
If Rachel Riley wants to engage in spirited debate–give it a go. But to sue and win over such ridiculousness sets an extremely bad precedent.
I was once the subject of a bar complaint in an appeal because I wrote that the court below’s decision or reasoning was “intellectually dishonest.” This is a phrase that is used perhaps millions of times in court documents and court opinions; it is rather anodyne if you ask me. But someone–likely a judge–made a complaint against me. I “won” in that the complaint was dismissed but I lost in the time and money (many thousands of dollars) it took to defend the case. I ended up being quoted in The New York Times as an example of the “thin skins” that judges have. Utterly disgusting, bullying behaviour. And by bullying, I mean that if a judge makes a secret (this is a clue) complaint that is utterly unfounded, knowing that this will create a “case” that must be responded to, that is bullying. In my defense and if memory serves, I was quoted as saying “I said it. I meant it. I stand behind it.”
Judgements from the bench are frequently riddled with intellectual dishonesty. It’s a consequence of trying to make the facts and law fit a predetermined and inappropriate outcome.
If the complainant’s name is secret how are you to know to avoid in future.
I admit that Murray seems to have misread or mischaracterised Riley’s tweet and added that “this woman is dangerous as well as stupid and no one should engage with her”. As you would only need a moment’s reflection to conclude that Riley was nether dangerous nor stupid for her tweet, and you would yourself have to be rather stupid to be influenced adversely by Murray’s response, I entirely agree that it seems a storm in a teacup that was not worth £10,000. It seems that hurt feelings now command more than physical damage. I seem to remember PC Moth was awarded £10,000 by a Tribunal for her hurt feelings at being told she should drink less coke to lose weight by a PS.
I live in hope of having my feelings hurt by a stupid tweet or careless word. Perhaps I should join Twitter to see if my number comes up.
“Now, there is a good case to be made that this was an overreaction”
RR appears to have made a good case that this “overreaction” was a libel.
It seems an overreaction to me, at least with the facts as presented.
I’m all for free speech, but accusing people of being Nazis (with all the historical implications that word implies) when they’re not is slander. I hope personally a few more judgements of this nature will make people stop and think before throwing out baseless accusations against others.
You’re free to criticise and ridicule people’s beliefs, but you can’t accuse them of being something they’re clearly not
But it was RR that introduced the N word in relation to Corbyn and made what to me is an obvious comparison.
RR was never called a Nazi.
To me her post seemed a rebuttal to Owen Jones about the egging of politicians
That’s certainly one way to look at it. What’s sauce for the goose, and all that…
It is often alleged that it is too common nowadays for people to label others as ‘racist’, ‘islamophobic’, ‘transphobic’ or ‘fascist’ without any thought for accuracy or consequence.
If this is (or becomes) socially unacceptable then how is this corrected? Perhaps it needs a flood of court cases?
As a lawyer, this seems to me to be a very odd decision. What exactly is the libel? How do you get a clearly libelous accusation, worth ten grand, out of this tortuous chain of events? Being extremely rude (‘dangerous and stupid’) is offensive but hardly libelous, surely. If this is libelous what about Riley’s own contribution? Sounds just as bad to me!
I’ve read this article a couple of times now and read through the comments. And my brain is definitely hurting. No matter what angle I look at it this, it hurts my head. This is about as much as I can gleen:
If 1 is true, it is because JC is self-evidently not a nazi and therefore OJ’s tweet is factually inaccurate.
If 2 is true, it is because JC is a nazi and RR is mocking JC by using OJ’s apparently “good advice.”
I think it’s entirely reasonable to draw either conclusion from the minimal context that is available in this article and likely at the time of the tweet.
However, more reasonable conclusions can be drawn:
I have no feelings of sympathy for any of the three actos in this, and I believe that Rachel Riley has discovered how to monetise internet trolling.
This article, the comments below including my time, is far more time and effor than this deserves. An exchange that would have been at home on 4chan, conducted by people acting as children really should be treated as such and ignored by everyone.
Looks like nested bullet points don’t work.
Indeed.
I still don’t get why RR got £10k, though. Do you?
No, I don’t. I always thought it was necessary to demonstrate that your reputation is tangibly damaged by an allegation and the award is supposed to reflect the amount of damage done.
Considering that being accused of being a nazi by the likes of Laura Murray or Owen Jones carries about as much weight as being called a stinky face by a 2 year old, I’m a bit at a loss.
Ok, i am stupid. But what ahs she been given £10000 for??
RR implies that JC is a Nazi and deserves to be egged
LM replies that she RR is mad and no one should engage with her.
RR gets £10000???
WTF!!
Not given but won in a court of law. And you have the facts wrong.
RR criticises Owen Jones for defending egging as a legitimate response to politicians with whom he disagrees whilst condemning egging against those politicians with whom he agrees. ie accuses him of hypocrisy.
LM then claims that this criticism of hypocrisy amounts to support for the politician with whom Owen Jones disagreed and whom he thought legitimate to throw eggs at.
That was a deliberate distortion aimed at defaming RR.
The court heard the facts and decided that LM had deliberately tried to damage RR’s reputation and awarded damages.
I have re-read the information given and I can’t find what you are saying.
Not implying you are wrong (lest I find myself in court), but the article is not complete, then.
In any case, awarding 10k for that still sounds ludicrous.
I quite agree. Assuming one can follow the facts, I am unclear as to what the fuss is all about. The Judge had a world of discretion to decide the matter and concluded it was an attempt to damage the claimant’s reputation. That the Judge said claimant’s reponse was open to interpretation has nothing at all to do with the issue and was simply an aside that implied, it seems to me, that the Judge thought the respondent should get out more.
A very good April Fool’s article. Odd having it in December, but, hey ho…
Sounds like the judge thought RR rather thin skinned and made what looks like a technical award as defamation was proven. Does anyone know what costs were awarded?
In all this debate around Rachel Riley and Laura Murray, have we all lost sight of Owen Jones being a completely hypocritical t**t?