This is an ugly hitpiece on a journalist whose biases indeed might not be on Mr Ogden’s ‘side’, but such is the case for every bit of reporting on the BBC, CNN or other Western outlets.
The proxy war in Ukraine is a war. There are sides. Mr Phillips is a mouthpiece for the Russians. Mr Ogden is a mouthpiece for the West. I don’t need to read UnHerd to know that. And this journalistic ‘doxing’ effort is particularly filthy.
Indeed, I feel dirty for having read this ‘article’.
Britain, via it’s elected parliament, has determined that Russia is a violent aggressor attempting to rebuild a past imperium by the use of force. The nation is therefore fully behind the Ukraine and very active in supporting the Ukraine’s efforts in facing off the Russian army. Graham Phillips is a British national effectively working for the ‘other side’. He is entitled to do this but must be prepared to suffer the consequences.
Comparing Phillips to Lord Haw-Haw is a bit rich. How many have ever heard a Phillips video?
I agree with your general drift, but are we ‘at war’ with Russia? If we were, then you could judge this obscure geezer’s actions against legal standards for treasonable activity, etc etc, and take appropriate action. But we’re not, so the only consequences are general opprobrium and articles like this. As is the modern way, we feel a bit better, he gets the publicity he’s after, everyone’s a winner.
Well in the first instance, parliament is wrong, not for the first time (remember Iraq). Secondly, I am not bound by the decision of a gang of idiots. They are supposed to serve my interests not vice versa. When I vote I don’t grant the government carte blanche to do anything it wishes. I don’t agree with any government which prioritises overseas adventures over the welfare and concerns of the electorate and wasting taxpayers money on pointless exercises (eg Afganistan). Democracy? We are occasionally allowed to express an opinion on the conduct of a previous government, by which time the damage has already occurred. Voting is an act of faith equivalent to tossing a double headed coin in the vain hope the the result will be tails.
This article is a disgraceful, ad hominem attack on someone who holds a different opinion to the author. It is not objective debate. Perhaps the author may have some skeletons in his cupboard. At the height of WWII no attempt was made to jam the broadcasts of Lord Haw Haw and it was not illegal to listen. It was left to the judgement of the general public to subject it to ridicule. By contrast our government has banned the broadcasts of RT, Sputnik etc to ensure the opposing points of view cannot be heard. So much for free speech.
If you want to read an objective Op-ed you could do worse than read the following. https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/08/patrick-lawrence-the-casualties-of-empire/
The govt is not elected to serve your individual interests but the interests of the nation as a whole, and they are guided, generally, by what they put in their manifesto. If you don’t want a govt that has interests abroad, find or start a party that agrees with you and get elected. Oh, and you are indeed ‘bound by their decisions’, this being a parliamentary democracy, though ‘bound’ has different implications in different parts of the polity.
It is impossible to form a new political party with any prospect of getting a member elected, let alone the party achieving political power. Thus your argument is a non sequitur in the controversial issue being discussed..
I said some weeks ago that Boris had become the Lord Haw Haw for Saint Zelensky, coming on tv day after day telling us that zelensky and all Ukrainians are heroes and are thrashing the Russians.
I wondered, if the Ukrainian army (including the batt who wear WW2 german army badges) are doing so well, why do they need more and more, better weapons?
,
Agreed this is sly and snide piece of “journalism”
Jeanie K
2 years ago
WRT the last paragraph concerning the flying of flags. I am sickened by the fact that most members of our House of Commons couldn’t wait to fly the Ukrainian flag and get lapel badges in blue and yellow. The first to do it were the ones who derided English People for flying the St George flag of England ( “Lady” Nugent).
In an unusual (for me) display of fairness toward the ghastly Thornberry, she is correctly styled ‘Lady’ as she is one (‘Nugee’ by the way). However she prefers not to use it, being a lefty.
Alan Prior
2 years ago
What a disgusting piece of so-called journalism & bang in line with the woke attitudes of today – you don’t agree with me therefore you should be stripped of your citizenship & deported. Now all of us agree with the avalanche of right-wing propaganda that is passing for objective reporting on the situation in Ukraine. And before you decide that I have no right to an opinion because I disagree with you, I lived for a number of years in Russia & travelled extensively in Ukraine on business so just maybe I actually have more knowledge than you do about what is going on
G P
1 year ago
What a shit piece….from a wannabe liked student of state sanctioned propaganda that says kill all them over there and don’t dare ask why or even care!
Geraldine Robgers
1 year ago
This is truly a vile hit piece of an article that shames, a usually excellent Unherd. Tim Ogden’s poor use of English makes it doubly shameful for Unherd to allow him to publish under their name..
Last edited 1 year ago by Geraldine Robgers
Neven Curlin
2 years ago
I was glad to read the last paragraph and see that Tim Ogden and Lord Haw-Haw are on the same page.
Andrew F
2 years ago
I am not fan of Russia but Putin’s way of dealing with traitors is much to be recommended.
I don’t like the idea of politicians being able to revoke anyone’s citizenship, no matter what they do.
Shamima Begum?
This is an ugly hitpiece on a journalist whose biases indeed might not be on Mr Ogden’s ‘side’, but such is the case for every bit of reporting on the BBC, CNN or other Western outlets.
The proxy war in Ukraine is a war. There are sides. Mr Phillips is a mouthpiece for the Russians. Mr Ogden is a mouthpiece for the West. I don’t need to read UnHerd to know that. And this journalistic ‘doxing’ effort is particularly filthy.
Indeed, I feel dirty for having read this ‘article’.
Britain, via it’s elected parliament, has determined that Russia is a violent aggressor attempting to rebuild a past imperium by the use of force. The nation is therefore fully behind the Ukraine and very active in supporting the Ukraine’s efforts in facing off the Russian army. Graham Phillips is a British national effectively working for the ‘other side’. He is entitled to do this but must be prepared to suffer the consequences.
Comparing Phillips to Lord Haw-Haw is a bit rich. How many have ever heard a Phillips video?
I agree with your general drift, but are we ‘at war’ with Russia? If we were, then you could judge this obscure geezer’s actions against legal standards for treasonable activity, etc etc, and take appropriate action. But we’re not, so the only consequences are general opprobrium and articles like this. As is the modern way, we feel a bit better, he gets the publicity he’s after, everyone’s a winner.
I wonder what happened to Lord Haw Haw
He was hanged.
Well in the first instance, parliament is wrong, not for the first time (remember Iraq). Secondly, I am not bound by the decision of a gang of idiots. They are supposed to serve my interests not vice versa. When I vote I don’t grant the government carte blanche to do anything it wishes. I don’t agree with any government which prioritises overseas adventures over the welfare and concerns of the electorate and wasting taxpayers money on pointless exercises (eg Afganistan). Democracy? We are occasionally allowed to express an opinion on the conduct of a previous government, by which time the damage has already occurred. Voting is an act of faith equivalent to tossing a double headed coin in the vain hope the the result will be tails.
This article is a disgraceful, ad hominem attack on someone who holds a different opinion to the author. It is not objective debate. Perhaps the author may have some skeletons in his cupboard. At the height of WWII no attempt was made to jam the broadcasts of Lord Haw Haw and it was not illegal to listen. It was left to the judgement of the general public to subject it to ridicule. By contrast our government has banned the broadcasts of RT, Sputnik etc to ensure the opposing points of view cannot be heard. So much for free speech.
If you want to read an objective Op-ed you could do worse than read the following.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/08/patrick-lawrence-the-casualties-of-empire/
The govt is not elected to serve your individual interests but the interests of the nation as a whole, and they are guided, generally, by what they put in their manifesto. If you don’t want a govt that has interests abroad, find or start a party that agrees with you and get elected. Oh, and you are indeed ‘bound by their decisions’, this being a parliamentary democracy, though ‘bound’ has different implications in different parts of the polity.
It is impossible to form a new political party with any prospect of getting a member elected, let alone the party achieving political power. Thus your argument is a non sequitur in the controversial issue being discussed..
I said some weeks ago that Boris had become the Lord Haw Haw for Saint Zelensky, coming on tv day after day telling us that zelensky and all Ukrainians are heroes and are thrashing the Russians.
I wondered, if the Ukrainian army (including the batt who wear WW2 german army badges) are doing so well, why do they need more and more, better weapons?
,
They are winning through dogged determination and the better weapons you would deprive them of.
Agreed this is sly and snide piece of “journalism”
WRT the last paragraph concerning the flying of flags. I am sickened by the fact that most members of our House of Commons couldn’t wait to fly the Ukrainian flag and get lapel badges in blue and yellow. The first to do it were the ones who derided English People for flying the St George flag of England ( “Lady” Nugent).
In an unusual (for me) display of fairness toward the ghastly Thornberry, she is correctly styled ‘Lady’ as she is one (‘Nugee’ by the way). However she prefers not to use it, being a lefty.
What a disgusting piece of so-called journalism & bang in line with the woke attitudes of today – you don’t agree with me therefore you should be stripped of your citizenship & deported. Now all of us agree with the avalanche of right-wing propaganda that is passing for objective reporting on the situation in Ukraine. And before you decide that I have no right to an opinion because I disagree with you, I lived for a number of years in Russia & travelled extensively in Ukraine on business so just maybe I actually have more knowledge than you do about what is going on
What a shit piece….from a wannabe liked student of state sanctioned propaganda that says kill all them over there and don’t dare ask why or even care!
This is truly a vile hit piece of an article that shames, a usually excellent Unherd. Tim Ogden’s poor use of English makes it doubly shameful for Unherd to allow him to publish under their name..
I was glad to read the last paragraph and see that Tim Ogden and Lord Haw-Haw are on the same page.
I am not fan of Russia but Putin’s way of dealing with traitors is much to be recommended.