Another great essay by Poppy. Why is she still only a trainee? That makes no sense, I can’t tell any difference between her articles and anyone else’s.
Having worked in tech my feeling is that Apple is less exposed to this trend than Google, Facebook or Twitter. This stuff comes primarily from people who went straight from being new grads into the Valley firms. They’ve never known anything except a fantastically easy life. Their output rides on the success of much older projects so even mediocre work ends up being used by everyone, they are very well paid, their colleagues are all mostly competent and so on. The normal rigors of working life are unknown to them, so they look for other challenges to grant meaning and goals.
Most successful tech firms are by this point overwhelmingly dominated by this young cohort, but it wasn’t always so. When I joined one of these firms many years ago the workforce was primarily (very) experienced hands from around the industry, with many different backgrounds. I was teased for being the youngest team member because in my department at the time, there actually weren’t any people who had come straight from university except me.
This ended due to a culture of hiring without any connection to need. Hiring was seen as an end in and of itself, not a means. So these firms and especially Google just never … stopped … growing. They couldn’t grow forever by hiring experienced people because the software industry just isn’t that big (~21 million engineers worldwide), so they ended up heavily relying on the flow of new grads.
Apple has never been quite so obsessed as the others with needless hiring. They aren’t that good at it for one: within the industry it’s an open secret that they aren’t an especially attractive employer. Their workforce is mostly loyal old hands as a consequence, indeed, at least 10 years ago it was another open secret that there was really only one competent team at Apple whom Jobs kept moving around between projects, hence why progress on macOS stopped a few years before the iPhone came out, and the iPhone stalled before the iPad came out. Also, they were historically always based in Cupertino and didn’t see much reason to expand their (non retail) employee base outside that area, where as especially Google did aggressively expand internationally so they could keep hiring even after exhausting the available pool of experienced engineers in the USA. Their donut shaped HQ is a good example of this “we’re big enough” mentality – a donut being of course an attractive looking shape that cannot be expanded. Contrast with the sprawling Google and Facebook “campuses” and the difference is obvious.
So you have a combination of an older, more experienced workforce that’s seen both good times and bad, and a company that’s less able to influence people via control of information, which is fundamentally what draws the left to genuinely internet-based firms (third open secret, Apple is relatively bad at running online services). Given all this I would expect #appletoo to stay a fringe phenomenon. The others on the other hand, do need to worry about extremism amongst the workforce. They need to worry a lot.
“Another great essay by Poppy. Why is she still only a trainee? That makes no sense, I can’t tell any difference between her articles and anyone else’s.”
Agreed. She seems to have gone up the learning curve very fast. Pretty soon we’ll be reading about ‘Unherd Too’ which aims to displace the ‘pale, male, and stale’ from the top spots at Unherd. Freddie S look out! 🙂
edit – I tried to say I wish her thumbnail was happier as it sets a kind of world weary vibe to me, and so on the story a little – but I suppose that is inappropriate, I like your writing – sorry.
I agree with your comment, but the author points out the real reason behind this pseudo-unionizing:
“this means the weaponisation of marginalised identities to mark yourself out from the competition — and freeing up more senior positions by harshly enforcing the ideological line you have set out. The similarity of the branding #AppleToo to #MeToo is no coincidence: employees are desperate to oust the ‘pale, male and stale’ from their coveted positions, cloaked in the language of victimhood.”
Ultimately it’s an attempt at a power grab. But we have to take these childish people seriously because they, and their cohorts at Facebook etc, will control the digital landscape in the future.
Totally agree – this is a “survival of the fittest” competitive strategy that has already had great success in breaking up old established cabals. Little to do with equality and rights and lots to do with claiming the top spot.
Pete Marsh
2 years ago
’employees are desperate to oust the ‘pale, male and stale’ from their coveted positions, cloaked in the language of victimhood.’
So it’s ‘good’ racism then! And they’ll get jobs that they maybe wouldn’t have got under the ruthless meritocracy that made Silicon Valley in the first place.
The Chinese and other US competitors have got another thing to laugh at.
Last edited 2 years ago by Pete Marsh
Scott Norman Rosenthal
2 years ago
This is no joke. Society fro Disability Studies. The venerable Poetry Foundation in Chicago. This included replacing the beautifully compsed photograph at their site with a vapid White and Red computer logo. The list goes on and on. Seniority, experience, hard work mean nothing.
The movement is heavily Marxist influenced. The interconnectedness is astounding.
Richard Lyon
2 years ago
There are four mega-trends that are collectively driving the decline of the west: the rise of non-democratic capitalism, the abandonment of growth (as expressed in Net Zero goals), the rise of corrosive technologies, and ideological decadence.
This lot are both the victims of- and drivers of- the last two. Their attention spans and the quality of their discourse have been destroyed by social media, which has driven them to tribalism, extremism, and intolerance. From there they are easy prey to purveyors of pseudo-scientific theories of “power” and the role of radical scepticism, that values the suppression of free speech and the replacement of the rule of law by mob rule.
The only way to tackle this would have been for Cook to have been as ruthless with his narcissistic, entitled children-staff as he is with those who compete with Apple. I doubt he will.
Rod McLaughlin
2 years ago
It was the workers more than the bosses at Google whose demands led to the sacking of James Damore, for producing a memo stating that PART of the reason for the underrepresentation of women in software engineering MAY BE the AVERAGE woman’s lack of interest in ‘thing’ based careers rather than ‘people’ oriented ones. Backed up by peer-reviewed scientific research. https://firedfortruth.com/ “We may all be nostalgic for the simpler days of cold, hard, market capitalism.”
When American companies stood up to their workers’ demands!
If I were a scriptwriter, I’d redo Marlon Brando’s On The Waterfront, with the hero an employee of a tech company resisting pressure to conform to critical race and gender reeducation.
Another great essay by Poppy. Why is she still only a trainee? That makes no sense, I can’t tell any difference between her articles and anyone else’s.
Having worked in tech my feeling is that Apple is less exposed to this trend than Google, Facebook or Twitter. This stuff comes primarily from people who went straight from being new grads into the Valley firms. They’ve never known anything except a fantastically easy life. Their output rides on the success of much older projects so even mediocre work ends up being used by everyone, they are very well paid, their colleagues are all mostly competent and so on. The normal rigors of working life are unknown to them, so they look for other challenges to grant meaning and goals.
Most successful tech firms are by this point overwhelmingly dominated by this young cohort, but it wasn’t always so. When I joined one of these firms many years ago the workforce was primarily (very) experienced hands from around the industry, with many different backgrounds. I was teased for being the youngest team member because in my department at the time, there actually weren’t any people who had come straight from university except me.
This ended due to a culture of hiring without any connection to need. Hiring was seen as an end in and of itself, not a means. So these firms and especially Google just never … stopped … growing. They couldn’t grow forever by hiring experienced people because the software industry just isn’t that big (~21 million engineers worldwide), so they ended up heavily relying on the flow of new grads.
Apple has never been quite so obsessed as the others with needless hiring. They aren’t that good at it for one: within the industry it’s an open secret that they aren’t an especially attractive employer. Their workforce is mostly loyal old hands as a consequence, indeed, at least 10 years ago it was another open secret that there was really only one competent team at Apple whom Jobs kept moving around between projects, hence why progress on macOS stopped a few years before the iPhone came out, and the iPhone stalled before the iPad came out. Also, they were historically always based in Cupertino and didn’t see much reason to expand their (non retail) employee base outside that area, where as especially Google did aggressively expand internationally so they could keep hiring even after exhausting the available pool of experienced engineers in the USA. Their donut shaped HQ is a good example of this “we’re big enough” mentality – a donut being of course an attractive looking shape that cannot be expanded. Contrast with the sprawling Google and Facebook “campuses” and the difference is obvious.
So you have a combination of an older, more experienced workforce that’s seen both good times and bad, and a company that’s less able to influence people via control of information, which is fundamentally what draws the left to genuinely internet-based firms (third open secret, Apple is relatively bad at running online services). Given all this I would expect #appletoo to stay a fringe phenomenon. The others on the other hand, do need to worry about extremism amongst the workforce. They need to worry a lot.
“Another great essay by Poppy. Why is she still only a trainee? That makes no sense, I can’t tell any difference between her articles and anyone else’s.”
Agreed. She seems to have gone up the learning curve very fast. Pretty soon we’ll be reading about ‘Unherd Too’ which aims to displace the ‘pale, male, and stale’ from the top spots at Unherd. Freddie S look out! 🙂
edit – I tried to say I wish her thumbnail was happier as it sets a kind of world weary vibe to me, and so on the story a little – but I suppose that is inappropriate, I like your writing – sorry.
She’s good on Twitter as well.
I agree with your comment, but the author points out the real reason behind this pseudo-unionizing:
“this means the weaponisation of marginalised identities to mark yourself out from the competition — and freeing up more senior positions by harshly enforcing the ideological line you have set out. The similarity of the branding #AppleToo to #MeToo is no coincidence: employees are desperate to oust the ‘pale, male and stale’ from their coveted positions, cloaked in the language of victimhood.”
Ultimately it’s an attempt at a power grab. But we have to take these childish people seriously because they, and their cohorts at Facebook etc, will control the digital landscape in the future.
Totally agree – this is a “survival of the fittest” competitive strategy that has already had great success in breaking up old established cabals. Little to do with equality and rights and lots to do with claiming the top spot.
’employees are desperate to oust the ‘pale, male and stale’ from their coveted positions, cloaked in the language of victimhood.’
So it’s ‘good’ racism then! And they’ll get jobs that they maybe wouldn’t have got under the ruthless meritocracy that made Silicon Valley in the first place.
The Chinese and other US competitors have got another thing to laugh at.
This is no joke. Society fro Disability Studies. The venerable Poetry Foundation in Chicago. This included replacing the beautifully compsed photograph at their site with a vapid White and Red computer logo. The list goes on and on. Seniority, experience, hard work mean nothing.
The movement is heavily Marxist influenced. The interconnectedness is astounding.
There are four mega-trends that are collectively driving the decline of the west: the rise of non-democratic capitalism, the abandonment of growth (as expressed in Net Zero goals), the rise of corrosive technologies, and ideological decadence.
This lot are both the victims of- and drivers of- the last two. Their attention spans and the quality of their discourse have been destroyed by social media, which has driven them to tribalism, extremism, and intolerance. From there they are easy prey to purveyors of pseudo-scientific theories of “power” and the role of radical scepticism, that values the suppression of free speech and the replacement of the rule of law by mob rule.
The only way to tackle this would have been for Cook to have been as ruthless with his narcissistic, entitled children-staff as he is with those who compete with Apple. I doubt he will.
It was the workers more than the bosses at Google whose demands led to the sacking of James Damore, for producing a memo stating that PART of the reason for the underrepresentation of women in software engineering MAY BE the AVERAGE woman’s lack of interest in ‘thing’ based careers rather than ‘people’ oriented ones. Backed up by peer-reviewed scientific research. https://firedfortruth.com/
“We may all be nostalgic for the simpler days of cold, hard, market capitalism.”
When American companies stood up to their workers’ demands!
If I were a scriptwriter, I’d redo Marlon Brando’s On The Waterfront, with the hero an employee of a tech company resisting pressure to conform to critical race and gender reeducation.