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Mike Michaels
Mike Michaels
11 months ago

All of my leftie friends who ridicule my stance on the WEF, Great Replacement, 9/11, Ukraine, Covid etc funnily enough all happened to believe in the greatest conspiracy theory of the last 7 years, that of the fabled “Russian Collusion”. Only difference is mine came true.

Mike Michaels
Mike Michaels
11 months ago

All of my leftie friends who ridicule my stance on the WEF, Great Replacement, 9/11, Ukraine, Covid etc funnily enough all happened to believe in the greatest conspiracy theory of the last 7 years, that of the fabled “Russian Collusion”. Only difference is mine came true.

Michael Drucker
Michael Drucker
11 months ago

Hold on a minute.
Can someone clarify please?
70% of Democrats believe that Trump colluded with Russia.
Is this before or after the release of the Durham report ?
If Before, I’m shocked it’s such a low number.
If After. Oh boy.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
11 months ago

It all depends on what you mean by ‘colluded’, does it not? AFAIAC it is established fact that Russian intelligence actively aided the Trump campaign (those hacked emails) that Trump welcomed their activities (he said it openly) and that various staffers had some kind of contact with Russian middlemen. Worth an investigation, I’d say. But already the Mueller report – you do not need to wait for Durham – said that there was not evidence of any co-conspiracy or active collusion from the Trump side. Which closes the criminal case. What you think of a president who is happy to have enemy intelligence services interfere in US elections to help him win is up to individual ethics, I guess.

Aldo Maccione
Aldo Maccione
11 months ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Talking about ethics, is it better when the US media interfere ? Is any interference an issue or just foreign one ? Just asking for a friend.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
11 months ago
Reply to  Aldo Maccione

Well, the idea of democracy is that the people in a society collectively decide on a government that suits them, and then live with the consequences. There are arguments about some actors having disproportionate influence, be it media, academic elites, or billionaire donors. A lot of the campaign donations happening in the US would be seen as illegal corruption in many other countries, for instance. But as long as it is all within the country, you could say people are sorting it out between them. The media, be it Fox News or the New York Times are part of society, as is the readership that sustains them, so how can you talk about ‘interference’? Foreign influence is another matter. Here we are no longer talking about a society sorting out how to balance competing interests, but about an external group trying to run someone else’s country for their own gain.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
11 months ago
Reply to  Aldo Maccione

Well, the idea of democracy is that the people in a society collectively decide on a government that suits them, and then live with the consequences. There are arguments about some actors having disproportionate influence, be it media, academic elites, or billionaire donors. A lot of the campaign donations happening in the US would be seen as illegal corruption in many other countries, for instance. But as long as it is all within the country, you could say people are sorting it out between them. The media, be it Fox News or the New York Times are part of society, as is the readership that sustains them, so how can you talk about ‘interference’? Foreign influence is another matter. Here we are no longer talking about a society sorting out how to balance competing interests, but about an external group trying to run someone else’s country for their own gain.

Aldo Maccione
Aldo Maccione
11 months ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Talking about ethics, is it better when the US media interfere ? Is any interference an issue or just foreign one ? Just asking for a friend.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
11 months ago

It all depends on what you mean by ‘colluded’, does it not? AFAIAC it is established fact that Russian intelligence actively aided the Trump campaign (those hacked emails) that Trump welcomed their activities (he said it openly) and that various staffers had some kind of contact with Russian middlemen. Worth an investigation, I’d say. But already the Mueller report – you do not need to wait for Durham – said that there was not evidence of any co-conspiracy or active collusion from the Trump side. Which closes the criminal case. What you think of a president who is happy to have enemy intelligence services interfere in US elections to help him win is up to individual ethics, I guess.

Michael Drucker
Michael Drucker
11 months ago

Hold on a minute.
Can someone clarify please?
70% of Democrats believe that Trump colluded with Russia.
Is this before or after the release of the Durham report ?
If Before, I’m shocked it’s such a low number.
If After. Oh boy.

Matt Hindman
Matt Hindman
11 months ago

The FBI was never worthy of trust. Their history of abuse goes back over an entire century. They were never truly a law enforcement organization. Their purpose was always to go against any domestic movements or organizations the the powers in Washington do not like. These abuses are well documented but it seems people forget over and over.

Last edited 11 months ago by Matt Hindman
Matt Hindman
Matt Hindman
11 months ago

The FBI was never worthy of trust. Their history of abuse goes back over an entire century. They were never truly a law enforcement organization. Their purpose was always to go against any domestic movements or organizations the the powers in Washington do not like. These abuses are well documented but it seems people forget over and over.

Last edited 11 months ago by Matt Hindman
UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

These guys are mere lapdogs to the real bad guys – the NSA, CIA, and DHS, MI6.

If the above did the job they are created to do thay would not go about overthrowing odd governments and suppressing political dissidents – but filling Gitmo with the Davos Crowd, the Social Media Monsters, the Black Rock, Vanguard, Microsoft Monsters – Soros, Fink, Bezos, half of DC, et al. The Campaign Contribution Monsters who Own the Uniparty (the Democrats and Republicans and Labour and Conservative… all Uniparty, all owned) WHO, WEF, FED, ECB, BoE, BIS, and on and on

You know – the enemy of mankind, the ones ‘Dr Evil’ was Modeled on…… But no – they do not do that. We are done, it is us they suppress….

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

So which political model would you go for? Mussolini’s? XI’s? Putin’s? Kim Young Un’s? Or would you be satisfied with just the Erdogan lightweight dictatorship model?

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

So which political model would you go for? Mussolini’s? XI’s? Putin’s? Kim Young Un’s? Or would you be satisfied with just the Erdogan lightweight dictatorship model?

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

These guys are mere lapdogs to the real bad guys – the NSA, CIA, and DHS, MI6.

If the above did the job they are created to do thay would not go about overthrowing odd governments and suppressing political dissidents – but filling Gitmo with the Davos Crowd, the Social Media Monsters, the Black Rock, Vanguard, Microsoft Monsters – Soros, Fink, Bezos, half of DC, et al. The Campaign Contribution Monsters who Own the Uniparty (the Democrats and Republicans and Labour and Conservative… all Uniparty, all owned) WHO, WEF, FED, ECB, BoE, BIS, and on and on

You know – the enemy of mankind, the ones ‘Dr Evil’ was Modeled on…… But no – they do not do that. We are done, it is us they suppress….

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Ultimately, the FBI is there to serve its own interests. It will align with the Dems if that is convenient, which is the case right now. It will align with the GOP, if that is convenient. Change needs to come at the top. What that looks like, I have no idea.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Ultimately, the FBI is there to serve its own interests. It will align with the Dems if that is convenient, which is the case right now. It will align with the GOP, if that is convenient. Change needs to come at the top. What that looks like, I have no idea.

Emre S
Emre S
11 months ago

I recommend the movie “Inherent Vice” – very underrated for sure.

Emre S
Emre S
11 months ago

I recommend the movie “Inherent Vice” – very underrated for sure.

Justin Clark
Justin Clark
11 months ago

thought CIA was worsererer …. https://youtu.be/nA0OXZuaG0g