I wish I could remember the excellent youtube on excess deaths I watched – it showed how deaths from a vast array of issues, unrelated to the virus illness, rocketed up. Automobile deaths were one, although traffic was reduced. Drug overdoses shot up, exceeding covid deaths in that region of USA South (it was high there before too, but not as much – my guess would be the extra cash), but the amazing bit was that such a broad spectrum of deaths were seemingly related to lock down response, but not covid.
When you take USA states which locked down and compare to those which did not you get a baseline of virus deaths that are just from the virus and so could not be avoided, and this needs to be studied to show the numbers of excess deaths which are then the fault of Lockdown, and not the virus. My guess is the lockdown kills many more than it saves, let alone the economic burden which will wreck the future of the young, wreck the pensions, made housing too high for first time buyers, then destroyed small business owners, and the education system, and mental health + physical health from closing the medical industry to non-covid issues.
At the start of the Lockdowns UNICEF (UN Childrens agency) said the West locking down would cause the deaths of 1.3 million third world children by reduced economic demand from the West causing their parents to lose their income.
I believe Lockdown Kills, not Saves.
Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago
Many of us have argued heatedly and repeatedly since the inception of lockdowns that they would be responsible for more deaths than Covid. Some time ago last year the estimates were already that another 100 million had been tipped into poverty by lockdowns… and poverty often means death. The Guardian lives in a bubble.
J Bryant
2 years ago
Thank you for this article and for the authors continuing to provide a reasoned counterargument to the mainstream view regarding lockdowns. They might pay a professional price for their actions.
The question now is how will this type of article, its analysis and conclusions, be distributed beyond niche markets such as Unherd? This type of information is being censored by Big Tech and the MSM.
This was the headline for a Telegraph article this week:
‘The cost of lockdown is high, but the cost of letting coronavirus rip through a population is even higher, research has found.‘
I wasn’t at all happy with it. We just seem to be assailed with propaganda from people with agendas. Is there anyone giving us unbiased factual information? I despair! However, my inclinations do lie with the conclusions of this article.
We know the IFR of Covid more or less and we know what happens when it ‘rips’ through populations without hard lockdowns – witness South Africa second wave (ie it just rose and then fell), so I cannot imagine what ‘research’ the Telegraph was referring to that could approximate the millions of lives, livelihoods and futures lost to lockdowns.
You have to remember that the DT’s Global Health Security team received some £15m from the Gates Foundation, therefore, despite a sprinkling of resistance articles from some of their top journalists, it only looks at the issue from the required perspective.
John Snowball
2 years ago
I live in Goa in India and I am fully behind this article, – except that the estimate of ten million migrant workers is almost certainly an underestimate, it’s probably closer to fifty million.
Goa is India’s smallest state with a population of about 1.6 million. Literacy levels are high, English is very widely spoken (a key issue in the type of employment available), and the per capita income in the state is just about the highest of any state in India.
The result is that very few locals want to do menial, manual, or low grade jobs. Virtually all these jobs are filled by non-Goans, mainly from the poorer, high population density states of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, and Madhya Pradesh, amongst others. Many are from the north-eastern states, well over a thousand miles away. Their families remained in their villages, and the bread winner sent most of his earnings to them.
Goa has (had!!) a thriving tourist and hospitality sector, it is one of the two main drivers of the local economy.
The lockdown, which was India wide, shut down the sector almost totally. Overnight well over 100,000 people found that they had no job, no money, and nowhere to live. They were often reduced to begging for a few rupees to be able to eat, and somehow get home to their village. The desperation on their faces was harrowing. The problem was that they couldn’t easily get home either, because the buses and trains were shut down too. No help was forthcoming from government. A large proportion of them started to walk in the hope that someone would give them a lift, even though they lived, in many cases, hundreds of miles away. Unsurprisingly, there was an increase in bicycle theft.
For the middle classes, not just in India but world wide, lockdown is not much more than an inconvenience. For the poor it has been devastating, and it is they who have borne the brunt of the catastrophe that is lockdown. The 4.5 million estimated excess deaths are a result of the destruction in the economy, not Covid itself.
When the history of Covid comes to be written, it is the politicians across the world (aided and abetted by the media), whose panicked and hysterical reactions have caused so much devastation, who will be held to account. Unfortunately, nothing will happen to them. They (and the media) will all continue with their comfortable lives and escape prison sentences.
Heartbreaking. I feel so angry with those who are comfortable with lockdowns and think only of their precious ‘safety’ and actually feel righteous in doing so.
Christian Filli
2 years ago
And now we have Mitch McConnell threatening the American population with more lockdowns as a way of coercing vaccination. Pretty clear who is sponsoring him, and where his allegiances lie.
That Big Tobacco lobbied and got government to be on their side, and killed great many people that way is not surprising, Big Tobacco was never a benevolent industry.
That Big Pharma, and the entire Medical Industrial Complex, has done the exact same, with as many deaths likely, does seem surprising; one thinks of Medical as a ‘Caring’ business. But it is shown now to just be another industry 100% driven for profits, and just as ready to buy political favors at the expense of lives for money.
“But it (pharma) is shown now to just be another industry 100% driven for profits”. Check out the case of Purdue Pharma and the Sackler family for the veracity of that statement. Horrifying! Fully chronicled in the book “Empire of Pain” by Patrick Radden Keefe.
Hardee Hodges
2 years ago
The lockdowns were to reduce the impact on stressed heathcare systems. Perhaps in pandemic terms we need to rethink what minimal care can be done by less skilled staff rather than depend on institutions. Tent cities can be erected quickly and staffed by community helpers. We need to think of how we operate without excessive restrictions when the only factor involved is keeping a degree of isolation for the infected.
William McKinney
2 years ago
We know that governments and health authorities globally have obsessively attributed death to COVID, however slim the connection, focusing on recording WITH rather than FROM COVID deaths. It seems doubtful to me that the authorities – especially the public health authority – in India would been much different in this regard and that they too would likely have encouraged recording deaths as COVID where possible. So, while they certainly will have missed COVID-related deaths, the idea that they missed 90% of them would seem a tad preposterous, especially given that the symptoms of the 4 million would have been fairly obvious at the time.
I wish I could remember the excellent youtube on excess deaths I watched – it showed how deaths from a vast array of issues, unrelated to the virus illness, rocketed up. Automobile deaths were one, although traffic was reduced. Drug overdoses shot up, exceeding covid deaths in that region of USA South (it was high there before too, but not as much – my guess would be the extra cash), but the amazing bit was that such a broad spectrum of deaths were seemingly related to lock down response, but not covid.
When you take USA states which locked down and compare to those which did not you get a baseline of virus deaths that are just from the virus and so could not be avoided, and this needs to be studied to show the numbers of excess deaths which are then the fault of Lockdown, and not the virus. My guess is the lockdown kills many more than it saves, let alone the economic burden which will wreck the future of the young, wreck the pensions, made housing too high for first time buyers, then destroyed small business owners, and the education system, and mental health + physical health from closing the medical industry to non-covid issues.
At the start of the Lockdowns UNICEF (UN Childrens agency) said the West locking down would cause the deaths of 1.3 million third world children by reduced economic demand from the West causing their parents to lose their income.
I believe Lockdown Kills, not Saves.
Many of us have argued heatedly and repeatedly since the inception of lockdowns that they would be responsible for more deaths than Covid. Some time ago last year the estimates were already that another 100 million had been tipped into poverty by lockdowns… and poverty often means death. The Guardian lives in a bubble.
Thank you for this article and for the authors continuing to provide a reasoned counterargument to the mainstream view regarding lockdowns. They might pay a professional price for their actions.
The question now is how will this type of article, its analysis and conclusions, be distributed beyond niche markets such as Unherd? This type of information is being censored by Big Tech and the MSM.
That’s the multi-million dollar question.
This was the headline for a Telegraph article this week:
‘The cost of lockdown is high, but the cost of letting coronavirus rip through a population is even higher, research has found.‘
I wasn’t at all happy with it. We just seem to be assailed with propaganda from people with agendas. Is there anyone giving us unbiased factual information? I despair! However, my inclinations do lie with the conclusions of this article.
We know the IFR of Covid more or less and we know what happens when it ‘rips’ through populations without hard lockdowns – witness South Africa second wave (ie it just rose and then fell), so I cannot imagine what ‘research’ the Telegraph was referring to that could approximate the millions of lives, livelihoods and futures lost to lockdowns.
You have to remember that the DT’s Global Health Security team received some £15m from the Gates Foundation, therefore, despite a sprinkling of resistance articles from some of their top journalists, it only looks at the issue from the required perspective.
I live in Goa in India and I am fully behind this article, – except that the estimate of ten million migrant workers is almost certainly an underestimate, it’s probably closer to fifty million.
Goa is India’s smallest state with a population of about 1.6 million. Literacy levels are high, English is very widely spoken (a key issue in the type of employment available), and the per capita income in the state is just about the highest of any state in India.
The result is that very few locals want to do menial, manual, or low grade jobs. Virtually all these jobs are filled by non-Goans, mainly from the poorer, high population density states of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, and Madhya Pradesh, amongst others. Many are from the north-eastern states, well over a thousand miles away. Their families remained in their villages, and the bread winner sent most of his earnings to them.
Goa has (had!!) a thriving tourist and hospitality sector, it is one of the two main drivers of the local economy.
The lockdown, which was India wide, shut down the sector almost totally. Overnight well over 100,000 people found that they had no job, no money, and nowhere to live. They were often reduced to begging for a few rupees to be able to eat, and somehow get home to their village. The desperation on their faces was harrowing. The problem was that they couldn’t easily get home either, because the buses and trains were shut down too. No help was forthcoming from government. A large proportion of them started to walk in the hope that someone would give them a lift, even though they lived, in many cases, hundreds of miles away. Unsurprisingly, there was an increase in bicycle theft.
For the middle classes, not just in India but world wide, lockdown is not much more than an inconvenience. For the poor it has been devastating, and it is they who have borne the brunt of the catastrophe that is lockdown. The 4.5 million estimated excess deaths are a result of the destruction in the economy, not Covid itself.
When the history of Covid comes to be written, it is the politicians across the world (aided and abetted by the media), whose panicked and hysterical reactions have caused so much devastation, who will be held to account. Unfortunately, nothing will happen to them. They (and the media) will all continue with their comfortable lives and escape prison sentences.
Heartbreaking. I feel so angry with those who are comfortable with lockdowns and think only of their precious ‘safety’ and actually feel righteous in doing so.
And now we have Mitch McConnell threatening the American population with more lockdowns as a way of coercing vaccination. Pretty clear who is sponsoring him, and where his allegiances lie.
That Big Tobacco lobbied and got government to be on their side, and killed great many people that way is not surprising, Big Tobacco was never a benevolent industry.
That Big Pharma, and the entire Medical Industrial Complex, has done the exact same, with as many deaths likely, does seem surprising; one thinks of Medical as a ‘Caring’ business. But it is shown now to just be another industry 100% driven for profits, and just as ready to buy political favors at the expense of lives for money.
“But it (pharma) is shown now to just be another industry 100% driven for profits”.
Check out the case of Purdue Pharma and the Sackler family for the veracity of that statement. Horrifying! Fully chronicled in the book “Empire of Pain” by Patrick Radden Keefe.
The lockdowns were to reduce the impact on stressed heathcare systems. Perhaps in pandemic terms we need to rethink what minimal care can be done by less skilled staff rather than depend on institutions. Tent cities can be erected quickly and staffed by community helpers. We need to think of how we operate without excessive restrictions when the only factor involved is keeping a degree of isolation for the infected.
We know that governments and health authorities globally have obsessively attributed death to COVID, however slim the connection, focusing on recording WITH rather than FROM COVID deaths. It seems doubtful to me that the authorities – especially the public health authority – in India would been much different in this regard and that they too would likely have encouraged recording deaths as COVID where possible. So, while they certainly will have missed COVID-related deaths, the idea that they missed 90% of them would seem a tad preposterous, especially given that the symptoms of the 4 million would have been fairly obvious at the time.