as a wedge issue, it is perfectly engineered to create conflicts in the Labour Party
This. This farcical feud just heightens the accurate and I think widely held sense that the left is completely detached from the rest of us.
The likely view of everyone else is that Britain should have no view on Palestine, if it’s a big deal it’s only because Labour let in too many Muslims, it doesn’t excuse the left’s anti-semitism, we don’t care about Kashmir either, and if you do, you’re in the wrong country so please clear off to the right one.
That this is even a discussion point proves that the left is unfit to govern and always has been. It’s a fault line wholly within and wholly created by previous leftism and I am incensed that British hustings feature the irrelevant and thoroughly nasty preoccupations of revolting bigots.
Last edited 2 years ago by Jon Redman
Francis MacGabhann
2 years ago
“An anti-Semitic Zionist” seems like a contradiction in terms, but it becomes much easier to understand when you remember that both Zionists and anti-Semites share the same aim — the removal of Jews from non-Jewish society. The issue is clouded these days by the “tick box” mentality of the left as they smear anyone even centrist and moderate in their politics. Are you right wing? Then you’re ; Racist – check. Greedy – check. “Wrong side of history” – check. And, of course, anti-Semite – check.
Semite, member of a people speaking any of a group of related languages presumably derived from a common language, Semitic (seeSemitic languages). The term came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians, and Aramaean tribes. Mesopotamia, the western coast of the Mediterranean, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Horn of Africa have all been proposed as possible sites for the prehistoric origins of Semitic-speaking peoples, but no location has been definitively established. So an anti-semite doesn’t like Arabs either. Curious
GA Woolley
2 years ago
Mr Lloyd mistakes rallying cries for motivation. Palestine is just one of many ’causes’ contrived to give Islam an excuse for ‘defensive’ war. It is, of course, by far the most important, because of the involvement of the Jews, Islam’s primary ideological enemy. But if the Palestine question didn’t exist, there would be no shortage of other rallying cries, because the underlying motivation is intrinsic to the religion.
David B
2 years ago
Ironically, one of his quotes that stuck with me is “Nothing matters much, and few things matter at all.” Palestine must be one of those Few Things.
Anna Bramwell
2 years ago
I dont think Balfour offered a national home in the Ottoman Empire in 1917, in World War 1, through absent mindedness. After all, he would have expected it to upset the Arabs, who, disunited as they were, might well have wanted to keep all of Palestine. Maybe he decided they were not a factor on the war. Maybe he thought that a Jewish national home would be a thorn in the side of the Ottoman Empire. It would be interesting to know more.
This.
This farcical feud just heightens the accurate and I think widely held sense that the left is completely detached from the rest of us.
The likely view of everyone else is that Britain should have no view on Palestine, if it’s a big deal it’s only because Labour let in too many Muslims, it doesn’t excuse the left’s anti-semitism, we don’t care about Kashmir either, and if you do, you’re in the wrong country so please clear off to the right one.
That this is even a discussion point proves that the left is unfit to govern and always has been. It’s a fault line wholly within and wholly created by previous leftism and I am incensed that British hustings feature the irrelevant and thoroughly nasty preoccupations of revolting bigots.
“An anti-Semitic Zionist” seems like a contradiction in terms, but it becomes much easier to understand when you remember that both Zionists and anti-Semites share the same aim — the removal of Jews from non-Jewish society. The issue is clouded these days by the “tick box” mentality of the left as they smear anyone even centrist and moderate in their politics. Are you right wing? Then you’re ; Racist – check. Greedy – check. “Wrong side of history” – check. And, of course, anti-Semite – check.
Semite, member of a people speaking any of a group of related languages presumably derived from a common language, Semitic (see Semitic languages). The term came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians, and Aramaean tribes. Mesopotamia, the western coast of the Mediterranean, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Horn of Africa have all been proposed as possible sites for the prehistoric origins of Semitic-speaking peoples, but no location has been definitively established.
So an anti-semite doesn’t like Arabs either. Curious
Mr Lloyd mistakes rallying cries for motivation. Palestine is just one of many ’causes’ contrived to give Islam an excuse for ‘defensive’ war. It is, of course, by far the most important, because of the involvement of the Jews, Islam’s primary ideological enemy. But if the Palestine question didn’t exist, there would be no shortage of other rallying cries, because the underlying motivation is intrinsic to the religion.
Ironically, one of his quotes that stuck with me is “Nothing matters much, and few things matter at all.” Palestine must be one of those Few Things.
I dont think Balfour offered a national home in the Ottoman Empire in 1917, in World War 1, through absent mindedness. After all, he would have expected it to upset the Arabs, who, disunited as they were, might well have wanted to keep all of Palestine. Maybe he decided they were not a factor on the war. Maybe he thought that a Jewish national home would be a thorn in the side of the Ottoman Empire. It would be interesting to know more.