Why are you taking it for granted that this drone attack was indeed a real one and not some type of Russian maskirovska action?
KM
1 year ago
Why are you taking it for granted that this drone attack was indeed a real one and not some type of Russian maskirovska action?
Robbie K
1 year ago
Seems to me there are three theories that have credibility and in descending order of probability:
Russian false flag to justify some other intended action
Local saboteurs, who are increasingly active e.g. train derailments
Ukraine PR stunt
Guess we’ll never know.
I’m utterly confused:
If the Western mainstream media say it’s a false-flag operation, then I’m inclined to think it’s a Ukrainian attack.If Moscow says it’s a Ukrainian attack, I’m inclined to think it’s a Russian flag operation.
Indeed, what does seem clear however is this was not an assassination attempt as claimed by Moscow. Unless of course he was meditating in the dome at the time.
Indeed, what does seem clear however is this was not an assassination attempt as claimed by Moscow. Unless of course he was meditating in the dome at the time.
I’m utterly confused:
If the Western mainstream media say it’s a false-flag operation, then I’m inclined to think it’s a Ukrainian attack.If Moscow says it’s a Ukrainian attack, I’m inclined to think it’s a Russian flag operation.
The Ukrainians denied it was them, but at the same time they had a postage stamp issued to celebrate the attack
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Robbie K
1 year ago
Seems to me there are three theories that have credibility and in descending order of probability:
Russian false flag to justify some other intended action
Local saboteurs, who are increasingly active e.g. train derailments
Ukraine PR stunt
Guess we’ll never know.
j watson
1 year ago
No strategic value for Zelensky. Whereas some strategic value for Putin.
And the FSB blew up blocks of flats in Moscow blaming Chechen rebels in late 90s to build case for what then happened.
j watson
1 year ago
No strategic value for Zelensky. Whereas some strategic value for Putin.
And the FSB blew up blocks of flats in Moscow blaming Chechen rebels in late 90s to build case for what then happened.
John Dellingby
1 year ago
Putin wasn’t in residence at the Kremlin, and this conveniently happens. Given Ukrainian intel has prevented numerous assassination attempts targeting Zelensky and other key government figures, not to mention more obvious examples such as the Kerch Bridge, I doubt this was nothing more than a false flag from Russia.
John Dellingby
1 year ago
Putin wasn’t in residence at the Kremlin, and this conveniently happens. Given Ukrainian intel has prevented numerous assassination attempts targeting Zelensky and other key government figures, not to mention more obvious examples such as the Kerch Bridge, I doubt this was nothing more than a false flag from Russia.
Sayantani Gupta Jafa
1 year ago
A good article. But the Western MSM propaganda is sounding Pravda redux. Imo this was probably the work of Ukraine intelligence.
Sayantani Gupta Jafa
1 year ago
A good article. But the Western MSM propaganda is sounding Pravda redux. Imo this was probably the work of Ukraine intelligence.
martin logan
1 year ago
We’ll never know, but I suspect dissident Pro-War Russians as the more likely suspects.
–This embarrasses the Kremlin and makes Putin look weak.
–But it’s difficult to see how Ukraine could penetrate Russian air defences over such a huge stretch of territory.
–Also difficult to see how Kyiv could expect that a small drone strike would do anything but arouse Russians about the danger of losing this war.
–But it does highlight the fact that Russian society is far from totally mobilized, in contrast to WW2.
I would thus guess that someone who wanted to frighten Russians into accepting that defeat is a real possibility did the deed.
The list of suspects is long. But Prigozhin is near the top.
Russians adore intrigue and false flags. They often have to practice it in their daily lives, just to survive.
We’ll see much more of this as Russia unravels.
This is my belief as well. Pro-war radicals trying to push the country into a total war footing is feasible
martin logan
1 year ago
We’ll never know, but I suspect dissident Pro-War Russians as the more likely suspects.
–This embarrasses the Kremlin and makes Putin look weak.
–But it’s difficult to see how Ukraine could penetrate Russian air defences over such a huge stretch of territory.
–Also difficult to see how Kyiv could expect that a small drone strike would do anything but arouse Russians about the danger of losing this war.
–But it does highlight the fact that Russian society is far from totally mobilized, in contrast to WW2.
I would thus guess that someone who wanted to frighten Russians into accepting that defeat is a real possibility did the deed.
The list of suspects is long. But Prigozhin is near the top.
Russians adore intrigue and false flags. They often have to practice it in their daily lives, just to survive.
We’ll see much more of this as Russia unravels.
Last edited 1 year ago by martin logan
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago
Ukraine was not responsible for the drones falling on the Kremlin. This is a classic Putin false flag operation designed for propaganda purposes. He is going to escalate, and per his usual modus operandi, he creates a diversion, a red herring to try to “legitimize” his next move in the ongoing horror show to to the Russian people. It’s a desperation tactic, pure and simple. The fact that the Russians have now publicly claimed that the attack was orchestrated by the United States and was an attempt to assassinate Putin ( an utterly risible claim ) is further proof of the Kremlin merely stoking the paranoia of the Russian people. “We must defend the Motherland against this brutal Western imperialism!” Borscht.
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago
Ukraine was not responsible for the drones falling on the Kremlin. This is a classic Putin false flag operation designed for propaganda purposes. He is going to escalate, and per his usual modus operandi, he creates a diversion, a red herring to try to “legitimize” his next move in the ongoing horror show to to the Russian people. It’s a desperation tactic, pure and simple. The fact that the Russians have now publicly claimed that the attack was orchestrated by the United States and was an attempt to assassinate Putin ( an utterly risible claim ) is further proof of the Kremlin merely stoking the paranoia of the Russian people. “We must defend the Motherland against this brutal Western imperialism!” Borscht.
Arjen van der Schoot
1 year ago
I just came across this analysis which I thought interesting addition to the above, same gist as above article but with a likely explanation added. ‘I don’t know how else things can escalate’ Political scientist Kirill Shamiev on the likeliest explanation for the Kremlin drone attack. Meduza
Arjen van der Schoot
1 year ago
I just came across this analysis which I thought interesting addition to the above, same gist as above article but with a likely explanation added. ‘I don’t know how else things can escalate’ Political scientist Kirill Shamiev on the likeliest explanation for the Kremlin drone attack. Meduza
martin logan
1 year ago
Members of the KRP (Club of Angry Patriots) in Russia would love to embarrass Putin–and show how poorly Russia is prosecuting the war. Girkin/Strelkov is a prominent member.
Moreover, launching two drones in the vicinity of Moscow is far easier than flying them through several layers of air defence.
The KRP realizes just how bad Russia is dong in this war–and its members want to spur the country into real action.
martin logan
1 year ago
Members of the KRP (Club of Angry Patriots) in Russia would love to embarrass Putin–and show how poorly Russia is prosecuting the war. Girkin/Strelkov is a prominent member.
Moreover, launching two drones in the vicinity of Moscow is far easier than flying them through several layers of air defence.
The KRP realizes just how bad Russia is dong in this war–and its members want to spur the country into real action.
Todd Kreigh
1 year ago
In an effort to drive up flagging nationalism, Eurasia drops a bomb on a busy street in one of their own cities. “It was Oceania wot did it!” And the narodnyy lyudee seeth with fervor against the enemy once again. Thank you, George Orwell, for the prequel.
Todd Kreigh
1 year ago
In an effort to drive up flagging nationalism, Eurasia drops a bomb on a busy street in one of their own cities. “It was Oceania wot did it!” And the narodnyy lyudee seeth with fervor against the enemy once again. Thank you, George Orwell, for the prequel.
Why are you taking it for granted that this drone attack was indeed a real one and not some type of Russian maskirovska action?
Why are you taking it for granted that this drone attack was indeed a real one and not some type of Russian maskirovska action?
Seems to me there are three theories that have credibility and in descending order of probability:
Russian false flag to justify some other intended action
Local saboteurs, who are increasingly active e.g. train derailments
Ukraine PR stunt
Guess we’ll never know.
I’m utterly confused:
If the Western mainstream media say it’s a false-flag operation, then I’m inclined to think it’s a Ukrainian attack.If Moscow says it’s a Ukrainian attack, I’m inclined to think it’s a Russian flag operation.
Indeed, what does seem clear however is this was not an assassination attempt as claimed by Moscow. Unless of course he was meditating in the dome at the time.
i am confused as well – cant we call these things ‘another Russian lying fest ‘ or something equally simple ??
Indeed, what does seem clear however is this was not an assassination attempt as claimed by Moscow. Unless of course he was meditating in the dome at the time.
i am confused as well – cant we call these things ‘another Russian lying fest ‘ or something equally simple ??
I’ll go with your 4th theory Robbie!!
The Ukrainians denied it was them, but at the same time they had a postage stamp issued to celebrate the attack
I’m utterly confused:
If the Western mainstream media say it’s a false-flag operation, then I’m inclined to think it’s a Ukrainian attack.If Moscow says it’s a Ukrainian attack, I’m inclined to think it’s a Russian flag operation.
I’ll go with your 4th theory Robbie!!
The Ukrainians denied it was them, but at the same time they had a postage stamp issued to celebrate the attack
Seems to me there are three theories that have credibility and in descending order of probability:
Russian false flag to justify some other intended action
Local saboteurs, who are increasingly active e.g. train derailments
Ukraine PR stunt
Guess we’ll never know.
No strategic value for Zelensky. Whereas some strategic value for Putin.
And the FSB blew up blocks of flats in Moscow blaming Chechen rebels in late 90s to build case for what then happened.
No strategic value for Zelensky. Whereas some strategic value for Putin.
And the FSB blew up blocks of flats in Moscow blaming Chechen rebels in late 90s to build case for what then happened.
Putin wasn’t in residence at the Kremlin, and this conveniently happens. Given Ukrainian intel has prevented numerous assassination attempts targeting Zelensky and other key government figures, not to mention more obvious examples such as the Kerch Bridge, I doubt this was nothing more than a false flag from Russia.
Putin wasn’t in residence at the Kremlin, and this conveniently happens. Given Ukrainian intel has prevented numerous assassination attempts targeting Zelensky and other key government figures, not to mention more obvious examples such as the Kerch Bridge, I doubt this was nothing more than a false flag from Russia.
A good article. But the Western MSM propaganda is sounding Pravda redux. Imo this was probably the work of Ukraine intelligence.
A good article. But the Western MSM propaganda is sounding Pravda redux. Imo this was probably the work of Ukraine intelligence.
We’ll never know, but I suspect dissident Pro-War Russians as the more likely suspects.
–This embarrasses the Kremlin and makes Putin look weak.
–But it’s difficult to see how Ukraine could penetrate Russian air defences over such a huge stretch of territory.
–Also difficult to see how Kyiv could expect that a small drone strike would do anything but arouse Russians about the danger of losing this war.
–But it does highlight the fact that Russian society is far from totally mobilized, in contrast to WW2.
I would thus guess that someone who wanted to frighten Russians into accepting that defeat is a real possibility did the deed.
The list of suspects is long. But Prigozhin is near the top.
Russians adore intrigue and false flags. They often have to practice it in their daily lives, just to survive.
We’ll see much more of this as Russia unravels.
This is my belief as well. Pro-war radicals trying to push the country into a total war footing is feasible
This is my belief as well. Pro-war radicals trying to push the country into a total war footing is feasible
We’ll never know, but I suspect dissident Pro-War Russians as the more likely suspects.
–This embarrasses the Kremlin and makes Putin look weak.
–But it’s difficult to see how Ukraine could penetrate Russian air defences over such a huge stretch of territory.
–Also difficult to see how Kyiv could expect that a small drone strike would do anything but arouse Russians about the danger of losing this war.
–But it does highlight the fact that Russian society is far from totally mobilized, in contrast to WW2.
I would thus guess that someone who wanted to frighten Russians into accepting that defeat is a real possibility did the deed.
The list of suspects is long. But Prigozhin is near the top.
Russians adore intrigue and false flags. They often have to practice it in their daily lives, just to survive.
We’ll see much more of this as Russia unravels.
Ukraine was not responsible for the drones falling on the Kremlin. This is a classic Putin false flag operation designed for propaganda purposes. He is going to escalate, and per his usual modus operandi, he creates a diversion, a red herring to try to “legitimize” his next move in the ongoing horror show to to the Russian people. It’s a desperation tactic, pure and simple. The fact that the Russians have now publicly claimed that the attack was orchestrated by the United States and was an attempt to assassinate Putin ( an utterly risible claim ) is further proof of the Kremlin merely stoking the paranoia of the Russian people. “We must defend the Motherland against this brutal Western imperialism!” Borscht.
Ukraine was not responsible for the drones falling on the Kremlin. This is a classic Putin false flag operation designed for propaganda purposes. He is going to escalate, and per his usual modus operandi, he creates a diversion, a red herring to try to “legitimize” his next move in the ongoing horror show to to the Russian people. It’s a desperation tactic, pure and simple. The fact that the Russians have now publicly claimed that the attack was orchestrated by the United States and was an attempt to assassinate Putin ( an utterly risible claim ) is further proof of the Kremlin merely stoking the paranoia of the Russian people. “We must defend the Motherland against this brutal Western imperialism!” Borscht.
I just came across this analysis which I thought interesting addition to the above, same gist as above article but with a likely explanation added. ‘I don’t know how else things can escalate’ Political scientist Kirill Shamiev on the likeliest explanation for the Kremlin drone attack. Meduza
I just came across this analysis which I thought interesting addition to the above, same gist as above article but with a likely explanation added. ‘I don’t know how else things can escalate’ Political scientist Kirill Shamiev on the likeliest explanation for the Kremlin drone attack. Meduza
Members of the KRP (Club of Angry Patriots) in Russia would love to embarrass Putin–and show how poorly Russia is prosecuting the war. Girkin/Strelkov is a prominent member.
Moreover, launching two drones in the vicinity of Moscow is far easier than flying them through several layers of air defence.
The KRP realizes just how bad Russia is dong in this war–and its members want to spur the country into real action.
Members of the KRP (Club of Angry Patriots) in Russia would love to embarrass Putin–and show how poorly Russia is prosecuting the war. Girkin/Strelkov is a prominent member.
Moreover, launching two drones in the vicinity of Moscow is far easier than flying them through several layers of air defence.
The KRP realizes just how bad Russia is dong in this war–and its members want to spur the country into real action.
In an effort to drive up flagging nationalism, Eurasia drops a bomb on a busy street in one of their own cities. “It was Oceania wot did it!” And the narodnyy lyudee seeth with fervor against the enemy once again. Thank you, George Orwell, for the prequel.
In an effort to drive up flagging nationalism, Eurasia drops a bomb on a busy street in one of their own cities. “It was Oceania wot did it!” And the narodnyy lyudee seeth with fervor against the enemy once again. Thank you, George Orwell, for the prequel.