“First, even if it had not, there is little reason to think the aggression bug will spread and democratic dominos will fall.” Taiwan, Mr Friedman? That destroys the whole premise of your article.
Did you even read the next sentence? He clearly notes that the circumstances around the Ukraine invasion are unique to Ukraine and that this is generally true for all other potential invasions. Thus, in his view, an invasion of Taiwan could happen completely independent of what’s happening in Ukraine (which makes sense considering China has been threatening Taiwan with bluffs for 70 years).
That is rather naive. Did the Nazi aggressions of the 1930s have absolutely nothing to do with the pusillanimous response to the Italian invasion of Abyssinia? The latter emboldened the former, or at least so most historians hold.
Of course the circumstances are different. But there are vast similarities in terms of an autocratic power seeing an independent democratic nation as “theirs”.
You are putting on blinkers if you don’t see this.
It also seems to ignore what Malmgreen in another article here shows (as if it were not patently obvious) what Putin’s longterm aims are. It is an argument designed to rationalise wish-fulfillment.
Ben Friedman’s opinion is that China is not waiting to see what happens to Russia before deciding whether to invade Taiwan. I have to agree. Just like Russia did not invade Ukraine because of what happened in Afghanistan. And North Korea did not decide against giving up its nuclear weapons because of what happened in Libya.
Foreign relations are complex. We need to quit seeing them as simple.
Chris Milburn
1 year ago
“President Biden took to the New York Times oped pages to defend his Ukraine policy”. I don’t think Mr. Biden could sign his own name anymore, let alone write an op-ed. Fairer to say “Biden’s handlers wrote an op-ed”.
Mike cazaly
1 year ago
To allow German reunification NATO agrees not to expand Eastwards, then does so.
The West organised a coup in Ukraine to depose a democratically elected President
The USA sends arms and trainers to Ukraine.
The USA puts missiles in Poland.
The USA withdraws from the ABM Treaty.
Ukraine does not comply with the Minsk Agreements
The direction of travel is obvious
The only surprise is Russia didn’t act sooner or more violently.
Also it is unwise to want Putin overthrown. His successor is likely to be considerably less tolerant, resulting in parts of western Ukraine becoming a glass car park.
This is almost a pure pro-Putin apologia, which of course entirely ignores what the Poles or Ukrainians might want. Since Poland has been completely destroyed twice in its history by Russia (along with Germany, which is no longer any sort of threat) their position is rather understandable. The US is a (flawed) democracy, Russia now an out-and-out tyranny which gives not a damn about the welfare of the Ukrainian or indeed the Russian people. That is not some minor or irrelevant difference, despite those people absolutely determined to seeing America as the root of all evil. The Ukrainians would of course been rather better advised to hold on to their nuclear weapons as the so-called security guarantees were not worth the paper they were written on.
Regarding the Euro Maidan protests against Yanukovych’s corrupt government (which narrative do you want to go with by the way, Ukraine is corrupt so the Russian invasion is somehow justified?), it is worth recalling that more than 100 protestors were killed, and Yanukovych then fled to Russia, a far cry from what Zelensky did when he had much greater justification on grounds of his personal safety. Russia simply doesn’t want a democratic and liberal government in Ukraine, let alone one which might offer a better prospect for its citizens than Russia does.
Ben Friedman wrote, “The limits of U.S. commitment to Ukraine reflect not only fear of provoking a potentially nuclear war, but the limited U.S. interests there.”
Beneath Ukraine are large quantities of hydrocarbons that could meet the energy needs of the European Union (EU). The EU, not the United States, has a significant stake in the outcome of the war in Ukraine.
Germany (as the leader of Europe), not the United States, should be intervening in Ukraine.
Furthermore, the United States is undergoing rapid demographic change (due to its “open borders”). By 2040, Western culture will decline to the status of a minority culture, and this country will cease being a Western nation. Hispanic culture will become the dominant culture. (In California, Western culture is already rejected by most residents, and Hispanic culture dominates.)
Germany must replace the United States as the leader of the West.
The current crisis in Ukraine is an opportunity for the German government to show leadership, but Berlin has not shown leadership on helping the Ukrainians. When will the Germans show leadership? Will they wait until the Kremlin decimates Ukraine?
Get info about another area in which Berlin can show leadership.
Maybe because, contrary to what liberals like to believe, Hispanics (just like immigrants from Nigeria, India, Vietnam, Philippines) WANT to be part of American culture, not a permanent isolated victim class.
I suspect a Hispanic majority California would still have a “Californian” culture.
Genuine question. This is the first time I have ever heard someone differentiate between the nebulously imagined ‘Western’ world and use the word Hispanic as an alternative or encroaching civilization. Is that a real thing?
You see, I live in Europe, and Spain is a part of Europe and differs not at all from my neighbouring country in any way but by language and frequency of patatas bravas, so it makes me wonder if this is a real North American perspective or just a big piñata full of racism?
As an Englishman who married a Mexican and has two children with her I’d be interested to know what “Hispanic culture” is supposed to be if it is not “Western culture”. I have traveled widely in Latin America and spend a lot of time in Mexico. Mexican culture strikes me as more like the “Western” culture I grew up with than does the woke culture in modern day UK and USA.
A commenter wrote, “I’d be interested to know what ‘Hispanic culture’ is supposed to be …”
Hispanic culture is quite different from Western culture.
For example, Hispanics expect, demand, and receive preferential treatment. Get more info about this issue.
Hispanics commit murder at 3 times and 6 times the rate at which Americans of European ancestry or Asian ancestry, respectively, commit murder. Get more info about this issue.
“First, even if it had not, there is little reason to think the aggression bug will spread and democratic dominos will fall.”
Taiwan, Mr Friedman? That destroys the whole premise of your article.
Did you even read the next sentence? He clearly notes that the circumstances around the Ukraine invasion are unique to Ukraine and that this is generally true for all other potential invasions. Thus, in his view, an invasion of Taiwan could happen completely independent of what’s happening in Ukraine (which makes sense considering China has been threatening Taiwan with bluffs for 70 years).
That is rather naive. Did the Nazi aggressions of the 1930s have absolutely nothing to do with the pusillanimous response to the Italian invasion of Abyssinia? The latter emboldened the former, or at least so most historians hold.
Of course the circumstances are different. But there are vast similarities in terms of an autocratic power seeing an independent democratic nation as “theirs”.
You are putting on blinkers if you don’t see this.
It also seems to ignore what Malmgreen in another article here shows (as if it were not patently obvious) what Putin’s longterm aims are. It is an argument designed to rationalise wish-fulfillment.
Ben Friedman’s opinion is that China is not waiting to see what happens to Russia before deciding whether to invade Taiwan. I have to agree. Just like Russia did not invade Ukraine because of what happened in Afghanistan. And North Korea did not decide against giving up its nuclear weapons because of what happened in Libya.
Foreign relations are complex. We need to quit seeing them as simple.
“President Biden took to the New York Times oped pages to defend his Ukraine policy”. I don’t think Mr. Biden could sign his own name anymore, let alone write an op-ed. Fairer to say “Biden’s handlers wrote an op-ed”.
To allow German reunification NATO agrees not to expand Eastwards, then does so.
The West organised a coup in Ukraine to depose a democratically elected President
The USA sends arms and trainers to Ukraine.
The USA puts missiles in Poland.
The USA withdraws from the ABM Treaty.
Ukraine does not comply with the Minsk Agreements
The direction of travel is obvious
The only surprise is Russia didn’t act sooner or more violently.
Also it is unwise to want Putin overthrown. His successor is likely to be considerably less tolerant, resulting in parts of western Ukraine becoming a glass car park.
This is almost a pure pro-Putin apologia, which of course entirely ignores what the Poles or Ukrainians might want. Since Poland has been completely destroyed twice in its history by Russia (along with Germany, which is no longer any sort of threat) their position is rather understandable. The US is a (flawed) democracy, Russia now an out-and-out tyranny which gives not a damn about the welfare of the Ukrainian or indeed the Russian people. That is not some minor or irrelevant difference, despite those people absolutely determined to seeing America as the root of all evil. The Ukrainians would of course been rather better advised to hold on to their nuclear weapons as the so-called security guarantees were not worth the paper they were written on.
Regarding the Euro Maidan protests against Yanukovych’s corrupt government (which narrative do you want to go with by the way, Ukraine is corrupt so the Russian invasion is somehow justified?), it is worth recalling that more than 100 protestors were killed, and Yanukovych then fled to Russia, a far cry from what Zelensky did when he had much greater justification on grounds of his personal safety. Russia simply doesn’t want a democratic and liberal government in Ukraine, let alone one which might offer a better prospect for its citizens than Russia does.
None of which contradicts any of my points.
Ben Friedman wrote, “The limits of U.S. commitment to Ukraine reflect not only fear of provoking a potentially nuclear war, but the limited U.S. interests there.”
Beneath Ukraine are large quantities of hydrocarbons that could meet the energy needs of the European Union (EU). The EU, not the United States, has a significant stake in the outcome of the war in Ukraine.
Germany (as the leader of Europe), not the United States, should be intervening in Ukraine.
Furthermore, the United States is undergoing rapid demographic change (due to its “open borders”). By 2040, Western culture will decline to the status of a minority culture, and this country will cease being a Western nation. Hispanic culture will become the dominant culture. (In California, Western culture is already rejected by most residents, and Hispanic culture dominates.)
Germany must replace the United States as the leader of the West.
The current crisis in Ukraine is an opportunity for the German government to show leadership, but Berlin has not shown leadership on helping the Ukrainians. When will the Germans show leadership? Will they wait until the Kremlin decimates Ukraine?
Get info about another area in which Berlin can show leadership.
Do you just copy and paste this response (and link) into every comment section?
I’ve lived in California with my family for 30 years now and Western culture is still alive and well. Hispanic culture doesn’t dominate the state.
Maybe because, contrary to what liberals like to believe, Hispanics (just like immigrants from Nigeria, India, Vietnam, Philippines) WANT to be part of American culture, not a permanent isolated victim class.
I suspect a Hispanic majority California would still have a “Californian” culture.
Genuine question. This is the first time I have ever heard someone differentiate between the nebulously imagined ‘Western’ world and use the word Hispanic as an alternative or encroaching civilization. Is that a real thing?
You see, I live in Europe, and Spain is a part of Europe and differs not at all from my neighbouring country in any way but by language and frequency of patatas bravas, so it makes me wonder if this is a real North American perspective or just a big piñata full of racism?
As an Englishman who married a Mexican and has two children with her I’d be interested to know what “Hispanic culture” is supposed to be if it is not “Western culture”. I have traveled widely in Latin America and spend a lot of time in Mexico. Mexican culture strikes me as more like the “Western” culture I grew up with than does the woke culture in modern day UK and USA.
A commenter wrote, “I’d be interested to know what ‘Hispanic culture’ is supposed to be …”
Hispanic culture is quite different from Western culture.
For example, Hispanics expect, demand, and receive preferential treatment. Get more info about this issue.
Hispanics commit murder at 3 times and 6 times the rate at which Americans of European ancestry or Asian ancestry, respectively, commit murder. Get more info about this issue.