The irony is delicious here. Until quite recently to identify as a feminist was to be above reproach and to be furnished with a ready-made retort to any critique of your opinions: the critic was just a sexist. Game, set and match.
Feminists have now been outflanked by a coterie of trans loonies even more vicious than themselves. They can close down any feminist critique of themselves by calling the feminist a bigot. They’ve even got a special term of sneering contempt: “terf”. It’s exactly the n-word, updated for contemporary hatreds.
The only counter-argument to the “bigot” attack the feminist can offer is to assert that women and men are fundamentally different. This is of course a position their movement has spent its entire existence dismissing and refusing to accept as an explanation of why their lives are not as they wish.
It’s a bit like reading about the Eastern Front or the Iran-Iraq War. You want both sides to lose.
Not so! No feminist ever argued that men and women were identical. Clearly they are not. The point to having two sexes is the enrichment of our genetic inheritance through sexual reproduction. But feminists argued and continue to argue that our genitals should not determine anything else about us, including our opportunities in life. After all, our sex is determined by a single chromosome out of the 23 pairs that go to make us up. Being a man or a woman is a very important part of our identity, but it is only a part of who each of us is. The trans movement makes the mistake of elevating sex into the only thing that defines us and stereotyping what it is to be one sex or the other.
Cathy Carron
2 years ago
The rather astonishing irony is that women/females are the worst ‘cancel culture’ offenders, attackers, which is the reason that knitters, embroiderers, crocheters and other successful female-oriented crafters have been attacked in recent years. Jesse de Wahls has been successful as a artist/embroiderer; Her work has been positively acknowledged by the RA. It clearly bothers a fringe set of women. Men aren’t doing this. Methinks it’s age-old ‘envy & jealousy’ that underlies the female-on-female attacks, and they justify it by waving the SJW flag. Human nature is quite powerful and just about impossible to erase. Women can be ‘toxic’ too : )
Women are often the most shrill and vituperative. At the risk of being dismissive and condescending, they simply do not represent the most intelligent of the female sex.
Lesley van Reenen
2 years ago
If people think radical trans ideas are simply on a collision course with feminism, then think again. These people are on a collision course with gay rights as well and this conflict will continue to worsen. Quite rightly so in my opinion. This conflict will inevitably spill over into ‘cis men’s’ rights and poison debates across the spectrum. Trans rights are proving the spearhead for the loony woke crowd.
For a long time women were subjugated and in the west (not so in many other chunks of the world) they have claimed their rights and some safety. They are not going to cede these rights easily, although of course there are plenty of dim-witted handmaidens about who still have to wake up to the skulduggery playing out.
So I have no problem with trans people having rights, but not at the expense of other peoples’ rights – especially as it is deemed acceptable that a man (with a all male parts attached) can simply flip between ‘girl mode’ and ‘boy mode’ on any given day. I don’t want these particular men in my public toilet, in my prison or on the sports field competing against me.
I recently said that I don’t consider men to be the enemy and that I like many men. I want them to have their rights too. This comment didn’t find favour with some on this site. I do wonder what will happen this time.
Last edited 2 years ago by Lesley van Reenen
stephen archer
2 years ago
Apart from being generally sceptical of some feminist views, at least those I’ve experienced, I don’t feel the inclination to involve myself in discussions on such topics. I will however say I found Jess’s views and attitudes regarding free speech, cancel culture and her own rights to her views as being fairly refreshing and balanced, and her definition of conservatism in this context is spot on. In my younger years I regarded many of my elders as narrow-minded and prejuidiced, and now I feel the same towards a large section of the younger generations who have developed complexes beyond belief. Jess seems to be a breath of fresh air.
Glad to see that someone at least got the point about conservatism. Jess is the first public figure I have seen to have spelled out the irony that ascribed gender roles is what feminists from Virginia Woolf on fought to dismantle in order that women could choose what kind of work they wanted to do — whether child care or scientific research — and how they dressed/behaved. The flouncy pink dresses and painted nails sported by trans women are a parody of what she calls the stereotypical femine.
Lawrence Bennett
2 years ago
Why does the notion that men and women should have the same social, economic and political rights produce the thin piercing wail of anti-feminist vituperation conveyed in so many of these comments?
Lawrence Bennett
Joe Donovan
2 years ago
She’s “selling out” because she refused to sell out! Brava.
Norman Powers
2 years ago
Not a very sympathetic character, in my view. Reinforces a lot of what I was already concluding about the trans “debate”.
At least she’s honest about what feminism actually is: not interested in equality, just “rights” for women, and thus by implication, unequal rights for women. More rights than men. Having spent decades building what is in effect a female supremacy movement they are now horrified to learn that not all the sisters got the memo, and some of them think it was about actual equality between men and women after all.
Feminism is ultimately not an honest ideology and that’s on clear display here, where Jess tries to blame her cancellation on conservativism. Conservatives are the ones who object to cancel culture, only the Conservative party have pushed back on it, and most conservative people agree with her position about trans women, but in Jess’s mind the link between evil=conservative is so strong and so resistant to reality that her cancellation by the left must be some sort of conservatism. She can’t explain why, it just is.
Frankly, I’m quite enjoying watching feminism implode like this. At least during my life it has always been built on a foundation of lies about its own intentions. Seeing those lies finally come home to roost is a form of justice, in a way.
Her use of Conservative in that way was wild, like she had run out of of words of scorn and profanity till she finally had to use the last, and most powerful one left to her CONSERVATIVE.
Much like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy where one word was kept to be that ultimate swear word as all the rest were now just common usage: “Belgium is the rudest word in the Universe, yet by a strange coincidence, also the name of a country on Earth. In the Secondary Phase of the radio series, it is stated as “completely banned in all parts of the Galaxy, except in one part, where they don’t know what it means, and in serious screenplays.””
What is ultra cool is my post below where I tell of how Douglas Adams kept one word in the entire Galaxy as being too obscene for use; except in serious Art, and if you remember it was Belg* um, and the post is ‘Awaiting For Moderation’, in classic Jungian Synchronicity.
Douglas McNeish
2 years ago
The subtext here seems to be that the menace is the patriarchy as usual – except that, deviously, they now don the social construct of female identity in order to torment women, depriving them of their rights through the back door by disconnecting female identity from biological sex.
Joe Donovan
2 years ago
Just a note to other commenters — feminism is not monolithic! I don’t consider it to be a bad word because a lot of necessary cultural and legal corrections have come under its banner. And then there are (sigh) the likes of Andrea Dworkin and Catherine MacKinnon.
The irony is delicious here. Until quite recently to identify as a feminist was to be above reproach and to be furnished with a ready-made retort to any critique of your opinions: the critic was just a sexist. Game, set and match.
Feminists have now been outflanked by a coterie of trans loonies even more vicious than themselves. They can close down any feminist critique of themselves by calling the feminist a bigot. They’ve even got a special term of sneering contempt: “terf”. It’s exactly the n-word, updated for contemporary hatreds.
The only counter-argument to the “bigot” attack the feminist can offer is to assert that women and men are fundamentally different. This is of course a position their movement has spent its entire existence dismissing and refusing to accept as an explanation of why their lives are not as they wish.
It’s a bit like reading about the Eastern Front or the Iran-Iraq War. You want both sides to lose.
Exactly. Let ’em bash away!
That’s Entertainment!!
Plenty of feminists are highly intelligent, informed and far from being vicious towards all men. Viscous are the women taking down the feminists.
Not so! No feminist ever argued that men and women were identical. Clearly they are not. The point to having two sexes is the enrichment of our genetic inheritance through sexual reproduction. But feminists argued and continue to argue that our genitals should not determine anything else about us, including our opportunities in life. After all, our sex is determined by a single chromosome out of the 23 pairs that go to make us up. Being a man or a woman is a very important part of our identity, but it is only a part of who each of us is. The trans movement makes the mistake of elevating sex into the only thing that defines us and stereotyping what it is to be one sex or the other.
The rather astonishing irony is that women/females are the worst ‘cancel culture’ offenders, attackers, which is the reason that knitters, embroiderers, crocheters and other successful female-oriented crafters have been attacked in recent years. Jesse de Wahls has been successful as a artist/embroiderer; Her work has been positively acknowledged by the RA. It clearly bothers a fringe set of women. Men aren’t doing this. Methinks it’s age-old ‘envy & jealousy’ that underlies the female-on-female attacks, and they justify it by waving the SJW flag. Human nature is quite powerful and just about impossible to erase. Women can be ‘toxic’ too : )
Women are often the most shrill and vituperative. At the risk of being dismissive and condescending, they simply do not represent the most intelligent of the female sex.
If people think radical trans ideas are simply on a collision course with feminism, then think again. These people are on a collision course with gay rights as well and this conflict will continue to worsen. Quite rightly so in my opinion. This conflict will inevitably spill over into ‘cis men’s’ rights and poison debates across the spectrum. Trans rights are proving the spearhead for the loony woke crowd.
For a long time women were subjugated and in the west (not so in many other chunks of the world) they have claimed their rights and some safety. They are not going to cede these rights easily, although of course there are plenty of dim-witted handmaidens about who still have to wake up to the skulduggery playing out.
So I have no problem with trans people having rights, but not at the expense of other peoples’ rights – especially as it is deemed acceptable that a man (with a all male parts attached) can simply flip between ‘girl mode’ and ‘boy mode’ on any given day. I don’t want these particular men in my public toilet, in my prison or on the sports field competing against me.
I recently said that I don’t consider men to be the enemy and that I like many men. I want them to have their rights too. This comment didn’t find favour with some on this site. I do wonder what will happen this time.
Apart from being generally sceptical of some feminist views, at least those I’ve experienced, I don’t feel the inclination to involve myself in discussions on such topics. I will however say I found Jess’s views and attitudes regarding free speech, cancel culture and her own rights to her views as being fairly refreshing and balanced, and her definition of conservatism in this context is spot on. In my younger years I regarded many of my elders as narrow-minded and prejuidiced, and now I feel the same towards a large section of the younger generations who have developed complexes beyond belief. Jess seems to be a breath of fresh air.
Glad to see that someone at least got the point about conservatism. Jess is the first public figure I have seen to have spelled out the irony that ascribed gender roles is what feminists from Virginia Woolf on fought to dismantle in order that women could choose what kind of work they wanted to do — whether child care or scientific research — and how they dressed/behaved. The flouncy pink dresses and painted nails sported by trans women are a parody of what she calls the stereotypical femine.
Why does the notion that men and women should have the same social, economic and political rights produce the thin piercing wail of anti-feminist vituperation conveyed in so many of these comments?
Lawrence Bennett
She’s “selling out” because she refused to sell out! Brava.
Not a very sympathetic character, in my view. Reinforces a lot of what I was already concluding about the trans “debate”.
At least she’s honest about what feminism actually is: not interested in equality, just “rights” for women, and thus by implication, unequal rights for women. More rights than men. Having spent decades building what is in effect a female supremacy movement they are now horrified to learn that not all the sisters got the memo, and some of them think it was about actual equality between men and women after all.
Feminism is ultimately not an honest ideology and that’s on clear display here, where Jess tries to blame her cancellation on conservativism. Conservatives are the ones who object to cancel culture, only the Conservative party have pushed back on it, and most conservative people agree with her position about trans women, but in Jess’s mind the link between evil=conservative is so strong and so resistant to reality that her cancellation by the left must be some sort of conservatism. She can’t explain why, it just is.
Frankly, I’m quite enjoying watching feminism implode like this. At least during my life it has always been built on a foundation of lies about its own intentions. Seeing those lies finally come home to roost is a form of justice, in a way.
Her use of Conservative in that way was wild, like she had run out of of words of scorn and profanity till she finally had to use the last, and most powerful one left to her CONSERVATIVE.
Much like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy where one word was kept to be that ultimate swear word as all the rest were now just common usage:
“Belgium is the rudest word in the Universe, yet by a strange coincidence, also the name of a country on Earth. In the Secondary Phase of the radio series, it is stated as “completely banned in all parts of the Galaxy, except in one part, where they don’t know what it means, and in serious screenplays.””
What is ultra cool is my post below where I tell of how Douglas Adams kept one word in the entire Galaxy as being too obscene for use; except in serious Art, and if you remember it was Belg* um, and the post is ‘Awaiting For Moderation’, in classic Jungian Synchronicity.
The subtext here seems to be that the menace is the patriarchy as usual – except that, deviously, they now don the social construct of female identity in order to torment women, depriving them of their rights through the back door by disconnecting female identity from biological sex.
Just a note to other commenters — feminism is not monolithic! I don’t consider it to be a bad word because a lot of necessary cultural and legal corrections have come under its banner. And then there are (sigh) the likes of Andrea Dworkin and Catherine MacKinnon.