I appreciated this short article. Other commentators have suggested that the Dems’ belief that open immigration will result in a society of poor immigrants who will forever vote Democratic is misguided, but I hadn’t seen the comparisons with the conservative voting patterns of multiethnic populations in other countries.
Unfortunately, it will likely take years, if not decades, for these pro-conservative trends to fully manifest in the US.
J Bryant
1 year ago
I appreciated this short article. Other commentators have suggested that the Dems’ belief that open immigration will result in a society of poor immigrants who will forever vote Democratic is misguided, but I hadn’t seen the comparisons with the conservative voting patterns of multiethnic populations in other countries.
Unfortunately, it will likely take years, if not decades, for these pro-conservative trends to fully manifest in the US.
Andrew Roman
1 year ago
This is what proportional representation in elections does to a country. Several small political parties can get together to give minority interests majority control.
Andrew Roman
1 year ago
This is what proportional representation in elections does to a country. Several small political parties can get together to give minority interests majority control.
Peter B
1 year ago
While I have to admit that I know little about Israel, I find this article confusing.
The most obvious ethnic groups in Israel are Jews and Arabs. With the Arabs becoming the majority in the not too distant future in any unified state. Which is where things are headed, given the lack of traction of the two state alternative. Not dissimilar to the situation in Northern Ireland as regards the demographics.
But this article appears to be arguing about ethnic sub-divisions within the Jewish population. While ignoring the elephant in the room.
To be absolutely clear, this is not a comment siding with either Jews or Arabs or taking any position on that.
Peter B
1 year ago
While I have to admit that I know little about Israel, I find this article confusing.
The most obvious ethnic groups in Israel are Jews and Arabs. With the Arabs becoming the majority in the not too distant future in any unified state. Which is where things are headed, given the lack of traction of the two state alternative. Not dissimilar to the situation in Northern Ireland as regards the demographics.
But this article appears to be arguing about ethnic sub-divisions within the Jewish population. While ignoring the elephant in the room.
To be absolutely clear, this is not a comment siding with either Jews or Arabs or taking any position on that.
The Israeli situation cannot be compared to many other nations. It has peculiarities of it’s own which are strongly related to the Jewish religion. The ideological debate is between seculars and more religious people. First of all the term secular is rather debatable among all religions and especially in the case of the Jews. Woody Allen (who is Jewish) summs it up extremely well with a very serious joke: ” Thanks God I am an atheist”.
Hence I do not think there really exists a person who is 100 % secular, in one way or another he has a certain degree of religion no matter how small.
Why do I raise this issue ? Because unless it is well highlighted we cannot understand fully what is happening in Israel right now.
Samuel Ross
1 year ago
Bwarp bwarp bwarp! A lot of twaddle from a loony leftist who doesn’t like anything that wasn’t invented yesterday.
There is an exception to this rule: Continental Europe and Scandinavia, where National Front and various populist outfits in Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Sweden, Italy and Hungary are quite homogenous in terms of ethnicity. These are not fringes, really – they can win elections.
This flavour of populism does struggle in the Anglosphere, though. Not sure why.
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago
Some call it ‘apartheid’. But it’s worse – all South Africa had to do was introduce universal suffrage. Israel already has that, but to remain a Jewish state, it has to exclude people whose grandparents or great-grandparents were born in Palestine, and allow in people with more distant, or non-existent, connections. On the basis of ‘race’.
I don’t understand the downvotes, to be honest. What you have described is literally how Israel has been built in order to be the weird modern jewish theocracy that it is
I don’t understand the downvotes, to be honest. What you have described is literally how Israel has been built in order to be the weird modern jewish theocracy that it is
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago
Some call it ‘apartheid’. But it’s worse – all South Africa had to do was introduce universal suffrage. Israel already has that, but to remain a Jewish state, it has to exclude people whose grandparents or great-grandparents were born in Palestine, and allow in people with more distant, or non-existent, connections. On the basis of ‘race’.
I appreciated this short article. Other commentators have suggested that the Dems’ belief that open immigration will result in a society of poor immigrants who will forever vote Democratic is misguided, but I hadn’t seen the comparisons with the conservative voting patterns of multiethnic populations in other countries.
Unfortunately, it will likely take years, if not decades, for these pro-conservative trends to fully manifest in the US.
I appreciated this short article. Other commentators have suggested that the Dems’ belief that open immigration will result in a society of poor immigrants who will forever vote Democratic is misguided, but I hadn’t seen the comparisons with the conservative voting patterns of multiethnic populations in other countries.
Unfortunately, it will likely take years, if not decades, for these pro-conservative trends to fully manifest in the US.
This is what proportional representation in elections does to a country. Several small political parties can get together to give minority interests majority control.
This is what proportional representation in elections does to a country. Several small political parties can get together to give minority interests majority control.
While I have to admit that I know little about Israel, I find this article confusing.
The most obvious ethnic groups in Israel are Jews and Arabs. With the Arabs becoming the majority in the not too distant future in any unified state. Which is where things are headed, given the lack of traction of the two state alternative. Not dissimilar to the situation in Northern Ireland as regards the demographics.
But this article appears to be arguing about ethnic sub-divisions within the Jewish population. While ignoring the elephant in the room.
To be absolutely clear, this is not a comment siding with either Jews or Arabs or taking any position on that.
While I have to admit that I know little about Israel, I find this article confusing.
The most obvious ethnic groups in Israel are Jews and Arabs. With the Arabs becoming the majority in the not too distant future in any unified state. Which is where things are headed, given the lack of traction of the two state alternative. Not dissimilar to the situation in Northern Ireland as regards the demographics.
But this article appears to be arguing about ethnic sub-divisions within the Jewish population. While ignoring the elephant in the room.
To be absolutely clear, this is not a comment siding with either Jews or Arabs or taking any position on that.
Awesome post. Thanks for sharing
Awesome post. Thanks for sharing
The Israeli situation cannot be compared to many other nations. It has peculiarities of it’s own which are strongly related to the Jewish religion. The ideological debate is between seculars and more religious people. First of all the term secular is rather debatable among all religions and especially in the case of the Jews. Woody Allen (who is Jewish) summs it up extremely well with a very serious joke: ” Thanks God I am an atheist”.
Hence I do not think there really exists a person who is 100 % secular, in one way or another he has a certain degree of religion no matter how small.
Why do I raise this issue ? Because unless it is well highlighted we cannot understand fully what is happening in Israel right now.
Bwarp bwarp bwarp! A lot of twaddle from a loony leftist who doesn’t like anything that wasn’t invented yesterday.
Awesome post
Thanks
There is an exception to this rule: Continental Europe and Scandinavia, where National Front and various populist outfits in Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Sweden, Italy and Hungary are quite homogenous in terms of ethnicity. These are not fringes, really – they can win elections.
This flavour of populism does struggle in the Anglosphere, though. Not sure why.
Some call it ‘apartheid’. But it’s worse – all South Africa had to do was introduce universal suffrage. Israel already has that, but to remain a Jewish state, it has to exclude people whose grandparents or great-grandparents were born in Palestine, and allow in people with more distant, or non-existent, connections. On the basis of ‘race’.
I don’t understand the downvotes, to be honest. What you have described is literally how Israel has been built in order to be the weird modern jewish theocracy that it is
Much of Unherd’s boomer audience has an instinctive adoration for Israel and reflexively lashes out at any criticism against it.
Bwarp bwarp bwarp! Nothing to say on the comment, so comment on the commentator. Just another keyboard cowboy – all hat, no cattle!
Bwarp bwarp bwarp! Nothing to say on the comment, so comment on the commentator. Just another keyboard cowboy – all hat, no cattle!
Much of Unherd’s boomer audience has an instinctive adoration for Israel and reflexively lashes out at any criticism against it.
I don’t understand the downvotes, to be honest. What you have described is literally how Israel has been built in order to be the weird modern jewish theocracy that it is
Some call it ‘apartheid’. But it’s worse – all South Africa had to do was introduce universal suffrage. Israel already has that, but to remain a Jewish state, it has to exclude people whose grandparents or great-grandparents were born in Palestine, and allow in people with more distant, or non-existent, connections. On the basis of ‘race’.