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Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago

Division Inequality and Exclusion.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I could not (and didnt) have put it better myself. I have now stolen that

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I could not (and didnt) have put it better myself. I have now stolen that

Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago

Division Inequality and Exclusion.

Regan Best
Regan Best
1 year ago

A “non-partisan group of university professors”? Really? In a field where liberals outnumber conservatives by 12 to 1 or more how can there even be such a thing?

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
1 year ago
Reply to  Regan Best

It’s a three-way coalition between Identity Politics leftists, Bernie Bros and Clinton-ite leftists.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
1 year ago
Reply to  Regan Best

It’s a three-way coalition between Identity Politics leftists, Bernie Bros and Clinton-ite leftists.

Regan Best
Regan Best
1 year ago

A “non-partisan group of university professors”? Really? In a field where liberals outnumber conservatives by 12 to 1 or more how can there even be such a thing?

Jem Carnacki
Jem Carnacki
1 year ago

When non-DEI universities begin to surge ahead in popularity and achievement the penny will start to drop on alumni and, eventually, the universities themselves.

Tom Watson
Tom Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Jem Carnacki

It was believable that anything of the sort was going to happen back in 2015, perhaps. Meaning no offence to the fine university systems of Texas and North Carolina, I’d bet a great deal of money they’re never overtaking the ivies.

Wokeness/DIE/whatever you want to call it is here to stay, because whatever a few Republican governors have gotten around to noticing is happening under their noses, it’s emerged as the mechanism by which an ever-expanding number of elite aspirants in the US compete over a stagnant-to-shrinking pie: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/11/crises-of-elite-competition-in-the-east-and-west/

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Watson

But the Ivies may start to lose some of their appeal. Yale Law in particular has made a laughingstock of itself in recent years. The business of law is inherently conservative and is ultimately about making money. The partners of these firms take note of these things even if they don’t say anything publicly. I read that a recent survey showed people who list their pronouns on applications are less likely to be selected. That is because it is a signal that you are likely not a deep thinker – and are much more
likely to be a troublemaker.

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Watson

But the Ivies may start to lose some of their appeal. Yale Law in particular has made a laughingstock of itself in recent years. The business of law is inherently conservative and is ultimately about making money. The partners of these firms take note of these things even if they don’t say anything publicly. I read that a recent survey showed people who list their pronouns on applications are less likely to be selected. That is because it is a signal that you are likely not a deep thinker – and are much more
likely to be a troublemaker.

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Jem Carnacki

Hopefully the market provides them. It is starting in the US. More men, particularly white men, will want to attend these as well to avoid the institutional hostility they get from DEI.

Tom Watson
Tom Watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Jem Carnacki

It was believable that anything of the sort was going to happen back in 2015, perhaps. Meaning no offence to the fine university systems of Texas and North Carolina, I’d bet a great deal of money they’re never overtaking the ivies.

Wokeness/DIE/whatever you want to call it is here to stay, because whatever a few Republican governors have gotten around to noticing is happening under their noses, it’s emerged as the mechanism by which an ever-expanding number of elite aspirants in the US compete over a stagnant-to-shrinking pie: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/11/crises-of-elite-competition-in-the-east-and-west/

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Jem Carnacki

Hopefully the market provides them. It is starting in the US. More men, particularly white men, will want to attend these as well to avoid the institutional hostility they get from DEI.

Jem Carnacki
Jem Carnacki
1 year ago

When non-DEI universities begin to surge ahead in popularity and achievement the penny will start to drop on alumni and, eventually, the universities themselves.

rob clark
rob clark
1 year ago

These “DEI” proponents are all Marxist to the core. It’s all about control!

j watson
j watson
1 year ago
Reply to  rob clark

I suspect it’s much more an ‘identity’ politics manifestation than Marxist. I’ve yet to hear an advocate demonstrate even a basic understanding of Marx or traditional Marxism.
Of course it does have an almost Orwellian underscore but George was pulling from both ends of the totalitarian spectrum.
Anyway point being the silliness and toxicity behind some DEI needs to be hit hard with good language and argument. Not corresponding silly labelling.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  j watson

Identity politics is the successor ideology to Marxism, replacing the bourgeois vs proletariat of the traditional Marxist oppressor/oppressed binary with the intersectional pyramid of “cis” heterosexual white male vs everyone else. On this basis, Rob Clark could reasonably describe DEI’s proponents as post-Marxist.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  j watson

Identity politics is the successor ideology to Marxism, replacing the bourgeois vs proletariat of the traditional Marxist oppressor/oppressed binary with the intersectional pyramid of “cis” heterosexual white male vs everyone else. On this basis, Rob Clark could reasonably describe DEI’s proponents as post-Marxist.

Ben Shipley
Ben Shipley
1 year ago
Reply to  rob clark

I don’t think it’s all about control. It’s all about jobs for people with mushy degrees that leave them unqualified for anything in the real world.

j watson
j watson
1 year ago
Reply to  rob clark

I suspect it’s much more an ‘identity’ politics manifestation than Marxist. I’ve yet to hear an advocate demonstrate even a basic understanding of Marx or traditional Marxism.
Of course it does have an almost Orwellian underscore but George was pulling from both ends of the totalitarian spectrum.
Anyway point being the silliness and toxicity behind some DEI needs to be hit hard with good language and argument. Not corresponding silly labelling.

Ben Shipley
Ben Shipley
1 year ago
Reply to  rob clark

I don’t think it’s all about control. It’s all about jobs for people with mushy degrees that leave them unqualified for anything in the real world.

rob clark
rob clark
1 year ago

These “DEI” proponents are all Marxist to the core. It’s all about control!

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago

And there was me thinking ‘Institutional’ Race-ism, along with several other isms and obias didn’t really exist ! That’s the great thing about universities, they’re teaching you something new everyday, even if you aren’t a student.

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
1 year ago

And there was me thinking ‘Institutional’ Race-ism, along with several other isms and obias didn’t really exist ! That’s the great thing about universities, they’re teaching you something new everyday, even if you aren’t a student.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

“…now requires all grant applicants to submit a plan describing how equity and inclusion will be “an intrinsic element to advancing scientific excellence” in their proposed projects.”
Imagine for a moment if this line was changed to, “now requires all grant applicants to submit a plan describing how Christian beliefs will be “an intrinsic element to advancing scientific excellence” in their proposed projects.”?

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

“…now requires all grant applicants to submit a plan describing how equity and inclusion will be “an intrinsic element to advancing scientific excellence” in their proposed projects.”
Imagine for a moment if this line was changed to, “now requires all grant applicants to submit a plan describing how Christian beliefs will be “an intrinsic element to advancing scientific excellence” in their proposed projects.”?

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

What amazes me is that the “EDI” industry (as UK calls it) – fails to see how DIVISIVE as opposed to DIVERSE this idiotic mantra is.

I am exposed to this Mantra on a daily basis within The NHS and cannot believe the ££ and time spent talking about this whole subject.

Hardly a single person I know challenges the Group Think that we have to get “at least 50% BAME” (a “polite way of saying “non white”) the local demographics are 60% white and 40% “BAME” (vile/non-inclusive term in itself) – and our staff at all levels throughout out trust is around 70% non white. Do I care? NOPE – our staff do an incredible job.

I do NOT want to have to start first and foremost looking at the colour of someones skin before deciding whether to consider them. Further – and MOST IMPORTANTLY “EDI” is much much more than Skin Colour as expressed in The Equality Act 2010 (itself a sledgehammer to crack a salted-peanut)

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

What amazes me is that the “EDI” industry (as UK calls it) – fails to see how DIVISIVE as opposed to DIVERSE this idiotic mantra is.

I am exposed to this Mantra on a daily basis within The NHS and cannot believe the ££ and time spent talking about this whole subject.

Hardly a single person I know challenges the Group Think that we have to get “at least 50% BAME” (a “polite way of saying “non white”) the local demographics are 60% white and 40% “BAME” (vile/non-inclusive term in itself) – and our staff at all levels throughout out trust is around 70% non white. Do I care? NOPE – our staff do an incredible job.

I do NOT want to have to start first and foremost looking at the colour of someones skin before deciding whether to consider them. Further – and MOST IMPORTANTLY “EDI” is much much more than Skin Colour as expressed in The Equality Act 2010 (itself a sledgehammer to crack a salted-peanut)

Rick Frazier
Rick Frazier
1 year ago

By now, one would think a boilerplate or template of “proper” DEI statements is widely available to applicants. So everyone knows what they need to say. Whether anyone truly believes such statements probaby doesn’t matter. It’s an easily gamed, silly hiring process. But once hired, you then need to accept that you’ll be forced to sit through lectures from all the newly hired DEI administrators. Though in the end, I don’t think any of it really matters. DEI or no DEI, leftist controlled universities will continue to find ways to hire only members from their own ideological and political tribes. DEI is just making it more convenient for now.

John Cartledge
John Cartledge
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Frazier

Obfuscation is part of so many toolkits these days, the goal being to baffle you with bullsh1t – then badger you relentlessly until you ultimately kowtow to their demands.
Equal opportunity should have been the goal all along. Having largely been achieved, equal rights for all isn’t even the goal any more: the competition is over which ethnic interest group gets to be fawned over, the modus operandi being to demonize other ethnicities as their oppressor.

Last edited 1 year ago by John Cartledge
John Cartledge
John Cartledge
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Frazier

Obfuscation is part of so many toolkits these days, the goal being to baffle you with bullsh1t – then badger you relentlessly until you ultimately kowtow to their demands.
Equal opportunity should have been the goal all along. Having largely been achieved, equal rights for all isn’t even the goal any more: the competition is over which ethnic interest group gets to be fawned over, the modus operandi being to demonize other ethnicities as their oppressor.

Last edited 1 year ago by John Cartledge
Rick Frazier
Rick Frazier
1 year ago

By now, one would think a boilerplate or template of “proper” DEI statements is widely available to applicants. So everyone knows what they need to say. Whether anyone truly believes such statements probaby doesn’t matter. It’s an easily gamed, silly hiring process. But once hired, you then need to accept that you’ll be forced to sit through lectures from all the newly hired DEI administrators. Though in the end, I don’t think any of it really matters. DEI or no DEI, leftist controlled universities will continue to find ways to hire only members from their own ideological and political tribes. DEI is just making it more convenient for now.

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
1 year ago

Let’s have The University of Whiteness, dedicated to preserving, protecting, promoting, advancing and celebrating white/European civilization. No DEI department whatsoever. Curriculum to remain firmly Colonized. Systems Of Oppression — like mathematics and science — not open to Other Ways Of Knowing. POC welcome of course — on merit — but at the first signs of Victimhood they will be asked to go to another school. No Safe Spaces at UofW, expect to be made uncomfortable.

Last edited 1 year ago by Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
1 year ago

Let’s have The University of Whiteness, dedicated to preserving, protecting, promoting, advancing and celebrating white/European civilization. No DEI department whatsoever. Curriculum to remain firmly Colonized. Systems Of Oppression — like mathematics and science — not open to Other Ways Of Knowing. POC welcome of course — on merit — but at the first signs of Victimhood they will be asked to go to another school. No Safe Spaces at UofW, expect to be made uncomfortable.

Last edited 1 year ago by Ray Andrews
Peter D
Peter D
1 year ago

OMG! I might actually be able to crawl off the scrap heap!

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter D

Maybe not. The “movement” is VERY powerful and few speak out against its very Divisiveness. In my experience many “non BAME” (hate that term) nod their approval when some (what I consider to be a) racist and divisive attack/rant kicks off about how terrible it all is.

When I ask for Stats – I am met with total obfuscation and / or silence and on occasion downright hostility because “can you see?” – I think to myself “can you see?”

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter D

Maybe not. The “movement” is VERY powerful and few speak out against its very Divisiveness. In my experience many “non BAME” (hate that term) nod their approval when some (what I consider to be a) racist and divisive attack/rant kicks off about how terrible it all is.

When I ask for Stats – I am met with total obfuscation and / or silence and on occasion downright hostility because “can you see?” – I think to myself “can you see?”

Peter D
Peter D
1 year ago

OMG! I might actually be able to crawl off the scrap heap!

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago

There is something amusing about watching gender critical feminist professors get cancelled, demonized and publicly abused for saying things that unquestionably true – given that most of them have spent an entire career doing that to others.

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago

There is something amusing about watching gender critical feminist professors get cancelled, demonized and publicly abused for saying things that unquestionably true – given that most of them have spent an entire career doing that to others.

Ardath Blauvelt
Ardath Blauvelt
1 year ago

So there’s an interest in protecting university professors from the grim results of DEI, etc., but what about the rest of us? As usual it will be all about them as they reap their own bitter harvest. We, however, out here in little people land can starve.

Ardath Blauvelt
Ardath Blauvelt
1 year ago

So there’s an interest in protecting university professors from the grim results of DEI, etc., but what about the rest of us? As usual it will be all about them as they reap their own bitter harvest. We, however, out here in little people land can starve.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

DEI? like NKVD, SS, etc?

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago

AWAITING FAR APPROVAL

I am banned from this story… haha

that is how you know you are hitting near the mark I guess

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

You probably guess wrong. Many of this parish have been issued with “Awaiting For Approval” notices and the comment eventually printed. There are several reasons why the notice could be issued. Unfortunately, even allowing that English may not be your first/best laguage, having an ego insufferably greater than your intellectual capabilities. is not one of them.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

Personal barb not necessary…

John Francis
John Francis
1 year ago

Lesley, totally agree.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

Yep.

I have found this site to be largely free of the bile of most other sites.

Lets work to keep that

John Francis
John Francis
1 year ago

Lesley, totally agree.

rob drummond
rob drummond
1 year ago

Yep.

I have found this site to be largely free of the bile of most other sites.

Lets work to keep that

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

Personal barb not necessary…

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Elliott Bjorn

You probably guess wrong. Many of this parish have been issued with “Awaiting For Approval” notices and the comment eventually printed. There are several reasons why the notice could be issued. Unfortunately, even allowing that English may not be your first/best laguage, having an ego insufferably greater than your intellectual capabilities. is not one of them.

Elliott Bjorn
Elliott Bjorn
1 year ago

AWAITING FAR APPROVAL

I am banned from this story… haha

that is how you know you are hitting near the mark I guess