Of course, from a British point of view, this all seems rather distant.
No. It’s a huge opportunity for Britain. If it weren’t for Ireland’s tax regime most of those companies would be in London.
D Walsh
7 months ago
An EU curb on the Irish tax scam would be a good thing, having all the big US woke companies in Ireland is one of the reasons for our no borders madness
Why is it a scam? Ireland – unlike rest of Europe – had no economic history until 1920s as an independent nation. No corporations, nothing. So no dependence on corporate revenue (unlike rest of Europe). The only card it had to attract investment was a low corporate tax rate. Why shouldn’t an independent nation decide it’s own tax rates?
Its a scam because they jump through a few hoops, to pay a lower tax in Ireland, than they should have paid in another country, they generate the revenue in one country, dodge the higher tax, but pay a lower one in Ireland
It’s not independent, it’s in the EU, and if a nation is in the EU – and the Eurozone especially – it cannot do things like decide it’s own taxrates without creating asymmetric tensions in the rest of the bloc. And this is exactly what has been a perennial problem for the Eurozone ever since the financial crisis – fiscal independence without monetary independence causes havoc with cross-border capital flows.
Despite ‘bailing out’ the ungrateful toads to the tune of millions a few years ago, the Irish Republic is now whinging about the recent passing of the UK’s ‘Legacy & Reconciliation Bill’.
How spiteful can you get?
Do you expect us to be deferential when your government is writing yourselves a blank cheque for murdering Irish Catholics? Such contemptuous attitudes explains Irish enthusiasm for the E.U.
Who’s expecting deference and why is it relevant to this discussion about the effects if Ireland’s relationship with the EU? More importantly, to what does your ‘murdering Irish catholics’ comment refer?
Some truth in that. However, it is almost certain that the EU Commision are running down the clock on their “useful idiots”.
Andrew Vanbarner
7 months ago
Luxembourg has a per capita GDP of USD $135,000, as it’s basically a tax haven masquerading as a country. Monaco and Lichtenstein, though not in the EU, have per capita GDPs that are considerably higher, for much the same reasons.
Ireland does have a higher population than those two countries, though, and an educated workforce, that could be taxed, regulated, and subsidized like mainland Europe’s.
But if the EU insisted on Ireland adopting,say, France’s style of government, you’d likely see an Irish goodbye. The Irish aren’t fond of paternalism, and certainly not of authoritarianism, for obvious reasons.
With some differences, the old Catholic establishment would admit that they were, in fact, the establishment. The woke go crazy if you point out that they are the establishment now
Maybe there isn’t an Irish equivalent of “Once bitten – twice shy”. I was thinking there must be something relevant to “… until the cows come home” but I remembered that the new masters are instructing you to get rid of them. The final cliche might sensibly be “as ye sow, so shall ye reap”.
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Frank McCusker
7 months ago
EU has been targeting this for many years, and it has to level out. Won’t make much difference though, thanks to Brexit (cheers lads!), despite the spitefully hopeful tone of this article. Had Britain been in the EU, it would of course have been more difficult for Ireland. I’ve been involved in international businesses for over 30 years, and tax rates are never at the top of the agenda when doing new market entry. The US cos value Ireland as an English-speaking, common law (cheers again lads!) EU launch pad. They’ll swallow a bit more tax for that.
Jeff Dudgeon
7 months ago
This won’t happen, ever.
You are ignoring the iron law of the Irish exception. It was applied by the United Kingdom since partition and in turn by the EU. It can’t be breached.
John Riordan
7 months ago
The article above is a little unfair to Brussels (and as a Brexit voter you won’t often hear me say that) because no matter what problems the EU Commission might have with its internal finances, it has to sort out the presently-broken currency union anyway.
There are not really any ways to do this without equalising fiscal policy across the various Eurozone member states, so Ireland can’t keep its low corporation tax rate in the long run and stay in the Eurozone. But I am of course persuaded that there’s a fair whack of greed and corruption at work too of course, it’s the Brussels swamp we’re talking about here.
It’s a matter of when, not if. Ireland does at least have pretty good fiscal fundamentals though, so if there is some multinational exodus in the future, it hopefully won’t do too much damage.
No. It’s a huge opportunity for Britain. If it weren’t for Ireland’s tax regime most of those companies would be in London.
An EU curb on the Irish tax scam would be a good thing, having all the big US woke companies in Ireland is one of the reasons for our no borders madness
Why is it a scam? Ireland – unlike rest of Europe – had no economic history until 1920s as an independent nation. No corporations, nothing. So no dependence on corporate revenue (unlike rest of Europe). The only card it had to attract investment was a low corporate tax rate. Why shouldn’t an independent nation decide it’s own tax rates?
Except, in reality, it isn’t an independent nation any more.
Its a scam because they jump through a few hoops, to pay a lower tax in Ireland, than they should have paid in another country, they generate the revenue in one country, dodge the higher tax, but pay a lower one in Ireland
It’s not independent, it’s in the EU, and if a nation is in the EU – and the Eurozone especially – it cannot do things like decide it’s own taxrates without creating asymmetric tensions in the rest of the bloc. And this is exactly what has been a perennial problem for the Eurozone ever since the financial crisis – fiscal independence without monetary independence causes havoc with cross-border capital flows.
I’m not sure I follow: how do Ireland’s tax arrangements result in the UK having porous borders?
The EU won’t touch Ireland until the existential battle with Britain is resolved.
Despite ‘bailing out’ the ungrateful toads to the tune of millions a few years ago, the Irish Republic is now whinging about the recent passing of the UK’s ‘Legacy & Reconciliation Bill’.
How spiteful can you get?
Do you expect us to be deferential when your government is writing yourselves a blank cheque for murdering Irish Catholics? Such contemptuous attitudes explains Irish enthusiasm for the E.U.
Who’s expecting deference and why is it relevant to this discussion about the effects if Ireland’s relationship with the EU? More importantly, to what does your ‘murdering Irish catholics’ comment refer?
Some truth in that. However, it is almost certain that the EU Commision are running down the clock on their “useful idiots”.
Luxembourg has a per capita GDP of USD $135,000, as it’s basically a tax haven masquerading as a country. Monaco and Lichtenstein, though not in the EU, have per capita GDPs that are considerably higher, for much the same reasons.
Ireland does have a higher population than those two countries, though, and an educated workforce, that could be taxed, regulated, and subsidized like mainland Europe’s.
But if the EU insisted on Ireland adopting,say, France’s style of government, you’d likely see an Irish goodbye. The Irish aren’t fond of paternalism, and certainly not of authoritarianism, for obvious reasons.
I dunno, they seem to have positively revelled in it the last few years.
Harshest form of Catholic social control in Europe, 1922-yesterday
One of the longest lockdowns in Europe, 2020-2021
Draft hate-speech law 2023 criminalizing gender-critical feminists
Compelled speech in universities in 2023 – just ask Colette Colfer.
We have just exchanged one set of abusive authoritarians for another.
With some differences, the old Catholic establishment would admit that they were, in fact, the establishment. The woke go crazy if you point out that they are the establishment now
‘Heaven be praised’.
For once its isn’t OUR fault!
I could not agree more. It cannot be said enough!
Maybe there isn’t an Irish equivalent of “Once bitten – twice shy”. I was thinking there must be something relevant to “… until the cows come home” but I remembered that the new masters are instructing you to get rid of them. The final cliche might sensibly be “as ye sow, so shall ye reap”.
EU has been targeting this for many years, and it has to level out. Won’t make much difference though, thanks to Brexit (cheers lads!), despite the spitefully hopeful tone of this article. Had Britain been in the EU, it would of course have been more difficult for Ireland. I’ve been involved in international businesses for over 30 years, and tax rates are never at the top of the agenda when doing new market entry. The US cos value Ireland as an English-speaking, common law (cheers again lads!) EU launch pad. They’ll swallow a bit more tax for that.
This won’t happen, ever.
You are ignoring the iron law of the Irish exception. It was applied by the United Kingdom since partition and in turn by the EU. It can’t be breached.
The article above is a little unfair to Brussels (and as a Brexit voter you won’t often hear me say that) because no matter what problems the EU Commission might have with its internal finances, it has to sort out the presently-broken currency union anyway.
There are not really any ways to do this without equalising fiscal policy across the various Eurozone member states, so Ireland can’t keep its low corporation tax rate in the long run and stay in the Eurozone. But I am of course persuaded that there’s a fair whack of greed and corruption at work too of course, it’s the Brussels swamp we’re talking about here.
It’s a matter of when, not if. Ireland does at least have pretty good fiscal fundamentals though, so if there is some multinational exodus in the future, it hopefully won’t do too much damage.