Odd piece. Hardly much equivalence between the UK’s inept clown car of a government causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths AND one of the worst economic downturns with FF and FG taking 4 months to form a government with the Greens is there? Not even in terms of politicians’ honesty, given the Tories are congenitally incapable of telling the truth about anything.
Ireland still very much in possession of the ‘laughing rights’.
Stephen Follows
3 years ago
It would take a heart of stone etc. Serves Mr Viagra right.
Des Hanrahan
3 years ago
I think that the delay in forming a Government was caused mainly by Covid19 and it’s associated restrictions . The talks went very quickly afterwards . It is also interesting that Fine Gael seem to be calling the shots and will actually be the dominant party in the Government despite having fewer seats than Fianna Fáil . This is causing a lot of disquiet in both Fianna Fáil and the Greens to the extent that there is a grass roots revolt in both parties .
Adrian Smith
3 years ago
We can send the army back in when the potato famine kicks off.
Mark Corby
3 years ago
What an interesting essay, thank you. It does show that ‘ the elixir of power’ trumps everything! So venal have ‘our’ politicians become that there is no skulduggery to which they will not stoop. Perhaps it is time for Sinn Fein? The 22nd August, 2022 is the centenary of the assassination of Michael Collins, that could be the day to give Sinn Fein their chance. Others have done it before, have they not?
Yes, the very same, but it’s time to move on. We were quiet happy to hand over the Palestine Mandate to Zionist killers back in 1948, for example, so why object to Sinn Fein? The Irish War was concluded by the sainted Tony Blair twenty two years ago, and it may also facilitate our chances of getting rid of Ulster once and for all. Not a bad thing when you consider the Ulster ‘subsidy’ massively exceeds even that which we dish out to ungrateful Scots. In fact it is nearly the same as we used to pay to the wretched European Union.
Three quarks for muster Mark! Pray, give us your estimates of what we pay to the Scots and the Prots. As Mr Quinn did not note, “80-seat majority”Boris needs Ulster no more. And “virgin Sturgeon needs no urgin'” to keep Scotland safe. By the way, who’s the “we” wots doin’ the payin’?
“Does nobody understand?” The whole of the Scotch thing revolves around the question of North Sea Oil, as you probably know, so any figure would be highly toxic! At a guess I would calculate it is about one billion per annum, but no doubt someone will correct me. On Ulster the figures for 2018 were £8.1bn to the EU and £9.2bn to Ulster. You are correct that 80-seat Boris no longer needs Ulster. It has hung like a putrefying Albatross around our kneck since at least the Buckingham Palace Conference of July, 1914. The “we wots doin’ the payin”, as you must have guessed, is, as always, the long suffering UK Taxpayer.
‘It has hung like a putrefying Albatross around our neck’ What a fabulous sentence to get a point over. Love it and can’t wait to use it somewhere myself sometime!
The roughly 85% of the tax base who are neither Scots,Irish or Welsh.Some areas of Surrey pay more to HMRC than the entire city of Glasgow,Elmbridge I think. The Irish government grossly mishandled the post referendum period,dangling like Barnier`s puppets. The rancorous spirit of DeValera lives on.
Well said, it’s good to hear the facts. England, to lapse into the vernacular, is being ‘ripped off, big time’. If we had a Prime Minister with a bit of gumption we would have an all England referendum on whether we should keep paying for these greedy, self obsessed, ungrateful, parasites. We might have to redesign the Union Jack, but that is long overdue anyway (1949). In my experience whilst the “spirit of DeValera lives on” in Government and Establishment cabals, most noticeably and predictably in Education, the people in particular the ‘young’ couldn’t give a toss about all this saccharin, mythologised, nationalistic, suffocating, nonsense. They just want to get on with their lives and enjoy the ‘craic’, whatever that is?
Granted maybe not the smartest move by Dev But at the outbreak of WW2 in 1939 it was less than 20 years since Britain had unleashed a reign of terror on Ireland, which included massacres of civilians , rape , looting and the the burning and destruction of Cities Towns and Villages across the country by British forces .Apart from an accidental air raid on Dublin the Germans never did us any harm So it was difficult for the Irish to decide who were the “Good Guys” in WW2
If your rebels insist on shooting british soldiers in the back when most of their comrades are being blown to bits in the trenches..don’t expect them to send The Mothers Union.
Actually it was a rather ‘civilised’ little war. There were the odd atrocities, by both sides, but nothing on the scale of Continental or Middle Eastern barbarism. The Black and Tans and the far more more effective Auxiliaries were not the SS or even CRS. By overstating your case you diminish your argument, which would be a pity, as you are obviously well versed in the facts.
Well spotted, late onset dyslexia I’m afraid, plus my generation never learnt to type. We left that to the superior sex. The ‘we’ means HMG, surely you know that? When talking of British soldiers it is a capital B, I suppose you are one of woke freaks who just hates anything military or patriotic, correct?
Actually by comparative analysis the IRA/Sinn Fein were quite a decent enemy. For example a considerable improvement on say the Stern Gang, Irgun Zvai Leumi, Lehi, or even EOKA.
‘The IRA are an army different from no other’ Regular armies, or at least read ‘civilised armies’ don’t usually torture people or bury them in unmarked graves to get their points over. Or so I am led to believe.
I am sorry to disabuse you but even ‘civilised armies’, do resort to torture when it is deemed necessary. Just look at the recent record. What was water boarding all about, asthma control? As to to the grim business of body disposal, a freezer and a chainsaw is sometimes the only option, particularly if you are under resourced, to use a popular euphemism. The IRA, murderous as they were, never resorted to hanging people from eucalyptus trees and booby trapping the bodies to frustrate recovery, All of this off course, in the balmy Levantine heat, the air filled with the buzzing of greedy, bloated flies, and the squawks of excited, feasting, corvids. You could have an interesting time researching this subject, it is certainly the equal of say, BLM, and easily surpasses gender studies, for bedtime reading.
Odd piece. Hardly much equivalence between the UK’s inept clown car of a government causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths AND one of the worst economic downturns with FF and FG taking 4 months to form a government with the Greens is there? Not even in terms of politicians’ honesty, given the Tories are congenitally incapable of telling the truth about anything.
Ireland still very much in possession of the ‘laughing rights’.
It would take a heart of stone etc. Serves Mr Viagra right.
I think that the delay in forming a Government was caused mainly by Covid19 and it’s associated restrictions . The talks went very quickly afterwards . It is also interesting that Fine Gael seem to be calling the shots and will actually be the dominant party in the Government despite having fewer seats than Fianna Fáil . This is causing a lot of disquiet in both Fianna Fáil and the Greens to the extent that there is a grass roots revolt in both parties .
We can send the army back in when the potato famine kicks off.
What an interesting essay, thank you.
It does show that ‘ the elixir of power’ trumps everything! So venal have ‘our’ politicians become that there is no skulduggery to which they will not stoop.
Perhaps it is time for Sinn Fein?
The 22nd August,
2022 is the centenary of the assassination of Michael Collins, that could be the day to give Sinn Fein their chance. Others have done it before, have they not?
“…give Sinn Fein their chance”? Isn’t that the party with a military wing that’s killed some 2000 people?
Yes, the very same, but it’s time to move on.
We were quiet happy to hand over the Palestine Mandate to Zionist killers back in 1948, for example, so why object to Sinn Fein? The Irish War was concluded by the sainted Tony Blair twenty two years ago, and it may also facilitate our chances of getting rid of Ulster once and for all.
Not a bad thing when you consider the Ulster ‘subsidy’ massively exceeds even that which we dish out to ungrateful Scots. In fact it is nearly the same as we used to pay to the wretched European Union.
Three quarks for muster Mark! Pray, give us your estimates of what we pay to the Scots and the Prots. As Mr Quinn did not note, “80-seat majority”Boris needs Ulster no more. And “virgin Sturgeon needs no urgin'” to keep Scotland safe. By the way, who’s the “we” wots doin’ the payin’?
“Does nobody understand?”
The whole of the Scotch thing revolves around the question of North Sea Oil, as you probably know, so any figure would be highly toxic! At a guess I would calculate it is about one billion per annum, but no doubt someone will correct me.
On Ulster the figures for 2018 were £8.1bn to the EU and £9.2bn to Ulster.
You are correct that 80-seat Boris no longer needs Ulster. It has hung like a putrefying Albatross around our kneck since at least the Buckingham Palace Conference of July, 1914.
The “we wots doin’ the payin”, as you must have guessed, is, as always, the long suffering UK Taxpayer.
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‘It has hung like a putrefying Albatross around our neck’ What a fabulous sentence to get a point over. Love it and can’t wait to use it somewhere myself sometime!
The roughly 85% of the tax base who are neither Scots,Irish or Welsh.Some areas of Surrey pay more to HMRC than the entire city of Glasgow,Elmbridge I think.
The Irish government grossly mishandled the post referendum period,dangling like Barnier`s puppets.
The rancorous spirit of DeValera lives on.
Well said, it’s good to hear the facts. England, to lapse into the vernacular, is being ‘ripped off, big time’.
If we had a Prime Minister with a bit of gumption we would have an all England referendum on whether we should keep paying for these greedy, self obsessed, ungrateful, parasites. We might have to redesign the Union Jack, but that is long overdue anyway (1949).
In my experience whilst the “spirit of DeValera lives on” in Government
and Establishment cabals, most noticeably and predictably in Education, the people in particular the ‘young’ couldn’t give a toss about all this saccharin, mythologised, nationalistic, suffocating, nonsense.
They just want to get on with their lives and enjoy the ‘craic’, whatever that is?
Old Dev, the only “leader” to send condolences to Germany when Adolf topped himself in the bunker?
Granted maybe not the smartest move by Dev
But at the outbreak of WW2 in 1939 it was less than 20 years since Britain had unleashed a reign of terror on Ireland, which included massacres of civilians , rape , looting and the the burning and destruction of Cities Towns and Villages across the country by British forces .Apart from an accidental air raid on Dublin the Germans never did us any harm
So it was difficult for the Irish to decide who were the “Good Guys” in WW2
If your rebels insist on shooting british soldiers in the back when most of their comrades are being blown to bits in the trenches..don’t expect them to send The Mothers Union.
You weren’t a TA Para by any chance? A less emotional response, based on some hard facts would help next time, do you not agree?
Actually it was a rather ‘civilised’ little war. There were the odd atrocities, by both sides, but nothing on the scale of Continental or Middle Eastern barbarism.
The Black and Tans and the far more more effective Auxiliaries were not the SS or even CRS.
By overstating your case you diminish your argument, which would be a pity, as you are obviously well versed in the facts.
We?
Speak for your self..^if you must comment on something you can only parrot i.e Israel,at least learn how to spell ‘quite’
Well spotted, late onset dyslexia I’m afraid, plus my generation never learnt to type. We left that to the superior sex.
The ‘we’ means HMG, surely you know that?
When talking of British soldiers it is a capital B, I suppose you are one of woke freaks who just hates anything military or patriotic, correct?
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Without the Irish Republican Army and Sinn Féin, Ireland would never have achieved the 26 county Republic, nor an agreement for Britain to hand over the remaining 6 counties pending popular vote. War is war. The IRA are an army different from no other.
Actually by comparative analysis the IRA/Sinn Fein were quite a decent enemy.
For example a considerable improvement on say the Stern Gang, Irgun Zvai Leumi, Lehi, or even EOKA.
‘The IRA are an army different from no other’ Regular armies, or at least read ‘civilised armies’ don’t usually torture people or bury them in unmarked graves to get their points over. Or so I am led to believe.
I am sorry to disabuse you but even
‘civilised armies’, do resort to torture when it is deemed necessary. Just look at the recent record. What was water boarding all about, asthma control?
As to to the grim business of body disposal, a freezer and a chainsaw is sometimes the only option, particularly if you are under resourced, to use a popular euphemism.
The IRA, murderous as they were, never resorted to hanging people from eucalyptus trees and booby trapping the bodies to frustrate recovery, All of this off course, in the balmy Levantine heat, the air filled with the buzzing of greedy, bloated flies, and the squawks of excited, feasting, corvids.
You could have an interesting time researching this subject, it is certainly the equal of say, BLM, and easily surpasses gender studies, for bedtime reading.
The end doesn’t justify the means.
The ends don’t justify the means.
I saw for myself the IRA’s repulsive behaviour in England. All the victims were innocent. Some included expat Irish people and their children.
I’m neither Irish nor British born.
Their chance to assassinate someone else?
Because the British never assassinated anyone…..
Who would you suggest?
Are You within their current boundaries? Or would it require a ‘squad’ from the once infamous ‘sleeper’ numbers happily living and working in England?
Only on an occasional basis sadly.