I’m surprised that the work of Aubrey de Grey is not being mentioned in this news as he has been at this for a long time. The trouble with this technology is that all the wrong people would use it. Thankfully, death does eventually rid us of the likes of Mugabe and Kim Jong-un otherwise they would never get retired. It will also relieve my family of having to listen to my terrible jokes and force them to start creating their own!
Yes, but how is he getting on? He hasn’t been in the news for years now, which rather lead me to conclude that like all before him, he’d failed to get anywhere.
Jacqueline Walker
2 years ago
Anyway I think they’ll fail. Everything has failed so far: cold thin rats, calorie restriction (tends to produce disease), supplements and super foods are just a distraction and a workout for your liver. No our telomeres shorten and our DNA gets damaged and as the author says a gerontocracy produces a stifling environment.
Genesis 6:3-5 “Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
My bet is with the LORD. If He says man’s days are 120 years, rich, smart men won’t change that decree.
The Zardoz movie is of Immortals in the future who conquered death and live in total beauty and arts, creativity, luxury, brilliant conversation, and beautiful people.
But finally eternity is just too much and one of them gets barbarians trained and armed and leads them into the paradise to kill them all, so they can finally have some relief from a physical eternity.
Douglas Adams had some great lines about the snugness of a race of immortals…
But the main writer this brings me to is CS Lewis in ‘That Hideous Strength’, and extrodinairly dark book of evil Secularists working on the immortality for themselves, and ultimate power over the world, and how close they come to achieving it – the big Tech Elites are so much a fit as those tyrants.
Val Colic-Peisker
2 years ago
Overpopulation IS an issue here. It is already a serious problem, the increased longevity being its main cause (rather than many babies, like in the past – look at the birth rate in Bangladesh – just over 2 babies per woman). So who are the ‘we’ that will ‘stop having babies’? The rich people / educated women – sure, we don’t produce many babies, but there is a very big difference from ‘few’ to ‘none’ (and how would ‘none’ be achieved??). Not even ‘we’ will stop having babies. In any case, seeking immortality is the pinnacle of Western hubris which has started to spell the end of us some time in the 20th century, in various ways. It’s just a historical innevitability: each civilisation went down at some point. And imagine the boredom and absurdity of living forever, or even 150 or 200 years. I guess what the billionaires are really interested in is to have their 25-yo-level sexual performance at age 70 so they can service their 30-year younger wives. Isn’t viagra enough?? And they would surely want to make babies – to father a child (with a much younger blonde) is an ultimate trophy for an old bloke.
Prashant Kotak
2 years ago
“…No, the real problem with immortality is stagnation…”
Hey, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
Tom Watson
2 years ago
Isn’t there a quote somewhere about how paradigm shifts in science come decades after the theories on which they rely are first formulated, because it takes that long for the old guard whose careers depended on the existing paradigm being right to retire/die off? That’s what this article reminded me of.
I’m surprised that the work of Aubrey de Grey is not being mentioned in this news as he has been at this for a long time. The trouble with this technology is that all the wrong people would use it. Thankfully, death does eventually rid us of the likes of Mugabe and Kim Jong-un otherwise they would never get retired. It will also relieve my family of having to listen to my terrible jokes and force them to start creating their own!
Yes, but how is he getting on? He hasn’t been in the news for years now, which rather lead me to conclude that like all before him, he’d failed to get anywhere.
Anyway I think they’ll fail. Everything has failed so far: cold thin rats, calorie restriction (tends to produce disease), supplements and super foods are just a distraction and a workout for your liver. No our telomeres shorten and our DNA gets damaged and as the author says a gerontocracy produces a stifling environment.
AI will not fail, it will be the eternal power eventually on earth. The issue will be if it thinks of us as pets, or cockroaches.
The evil Tech elites will try to use it to enslave the world, but I doubt even they will master it in the end.
Probably as both.
Genesis 6:3-5 “Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
My bet is with the LORD. If He says man’s days are 120 years, rich, smart men won’t change that decree.
Anyone seen Zardoz the film with Sean Connery?
Exactly what I wanted to say.
The Zardoz movie is of Immortals in the future who conquered death and live in total beauty and arts, creativity, luxury, brilliant conversation, and beautiful people.
But finally eternity is just too much and one of them gets barbarians trained and armed and leads them into the paradise to kill them all, so they can finally have some relief from a physical eternity.
Douglas Adams had some great lines about the snugness of a race of immortals…
But the main writer this brings me to is CS Lewis in ‘That Hideous Strength’, and extrodinairly dark book of evil Secularists working on the immortality for themselves, and ultimate power over the world, and how close they come to achieving it – the big Tech Elites are so much a fit as those tyrants.
Overpopulation IS an issue here. It is already a serious problem, the increased longevity being its main cause (rather than many babies, like in the past – look at the birth rate in Bangladesh – just over 2 babies per woman). So who are the ‘we’ that will ‘stop having babies’? The rich people / educated women – sure, we don’t produce many babies, but there is a very big difference from ‘few’ to ‘none’ (and how would ‘none’ be achieved??). Not even ‘we’ will stop having babies. In any case, seeking immortality is the pinnacle of Western hubris which has started to spell the end of us some time in the 20th century, in various ways. It’s just a historical innevitability: each civilisation went down at some point. And imagine the boredom and absurdity of living forever, or even 150 or 200 years. I guess what the billionaires are really interested in is to have their 25-yo-level sexual performance at age 70 so they can service their 30-year younger wives. Isn’t viagra enough?? And they would surely want to make babies – to father a child (with a much younger blonde) is an ultimate trophy for an old bloke.
“…No, the real problem with immortality is stagnation…”
Hey, don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
Isn’t there a quote somewhere about how paradigm shifts in science come decades after the theories on which they rely are first formulated, because it takes that long for the old guard whose careers depended on the existing paradigm being right to retire/die off? That’s what this article reminded me of.