Well said, and now perhaps that obese blob, the Prime Minister can, at last, start behaving like a Tory PM with a 79 seat majority.
‘We’ are tired of waiting……get on with it!
I clicked on the link and saw more unquestioning vaccine celebration.
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
Canada saw the declining need for mandates which control every aspect of your life as an existential crisis so turned violently on its own citizens. Once a government takes dictatorial powers, it never lets them go unless forced to. Look at AUS, NZ, UK, USA ( *Democrat state leaders did not have to restrain themselves as their voters expect no less, Liberal/Left being a cult of control), Germany, France, Belgium, Austria…….
Because most Politicians are:
“High-functioning sociopaths often test well on IQ tests and have superior intelligence. They are very charming, and their magnetic personality seem to naturally draw others to them. High-functioning sociopaths are typically very calculated and may show extreme patience when trying to lay the foundation necessary to work a situation for their own good. High-functioning sociopaths usually hold jobs, are married, and have children. In fact, they can be extremely successful in life.”
These people are great at keeping the buses running, the schools paid for (unfortunate this trait is almost total in school heads), health services going… Although they skim off a great deal of the money to their corrupt friends – they keep things going. (almost all CEOs are sociopaths too)
BUT…. once you give them the raw power to control the people like pieces in some big game – they will never willingly let that power go.
Covid Response, Blank Slate, was the Gateway Drug to their Totalitarian madness – and now taking control back is going to a the biggest fight of the 2000s.
It also made them filthy rich – the Billionaires had their wealth grow by 68% in these Two years, and they used part of that to pay their sociopath politicos a reward – and they will not want to let that go…..
No doubt aided & abetted by her sub continent adviser, one Devi Sridhar.
By the way does anyone know what Caste Sridhar is? Such facts are so important these days don’t you think?
‘Ye miserable crawling worms, have you come again to hear your doom? Have you come to hear What’s coming to ye? Hear of the crimson licking flames of fire?’
A speech any of the Doom mongers of the Western Leaders could be giving their Nations – as they quiver in fear and terror:
An estimated 3% of the population are psychopaths and of that I have seen it reported that a good 30% of people in corporate management structures are psychopaths.
These people are very similar to politicians as they have a high threshold for arousal – they enjoy the cut and thrust of the job, the jockeying for position, the lying, the game playing, the backstabbing, the very high stress.
it is fairly easy to identify them by using Hare’s 20 questions. Note that I did not carefully select the link – it was simply at the top of the Google search I did. https://www.businessinsider.com/hare-psychopath-checklist-test-sociopath-2016-11?IR=T
“Once a government takes dictatorial powers, it never lets them go unless forced to. Look at AUS, NZ, UK, USA” The UK let go of some dictatorial powers yesterday without being forced to.
I don’t think so. Not really. Vaccine mandates for health and care workers has dipped under the radar .. did I miss the u turn ? , the executive can still invoke emergency powers without much parliamentary scrutiny and it passes off as law via the 1984 public health act (yes I know Sumption challenges that somewhat and I’m right with him). They still reserve the right to avoid an adult conversation with their citizens placing their right to govern (aka know better) above any notion of personal responsibility in the face of unknowns or a fast changing situation. All in the name of “leadership to meet the moment” and to not let a crisis go to waste. And in doing so down the rabbit hole of applied behavioural psychology we all went …. Maybe time will salve some of that but I ain’t counting on it. Too many just “want to be saved by experts”. I don’t see the full row back and proper adult conversation even now.
…or rereading your post I agree and this is my take on it.
I wish I could dismiss this comment out of hand, unfortunately it has far too much of the ring of truth.
Graham Stull
2 years ago
“Testing is important, and we must ensure that those who are elderly or vulnerable have access to tests in order to make clinical decisions, such as whether to begin antiviral therapy.” Why is testing important? In the absence of proper early outpatient treatment, it is only a tool for propogating fear and public anxiety, for keeping tangible a virus so harmless you don’t know you have it until you ‘test positive’. I have literally seen, time and time again, my left-leaning globalist friends ‘test positive’, go into a tizzy of fear and anxiety, self-isolate, and then admit it was little more than a sniffle.
Dan Gleeballs
2 years ago
Always putting ‘independent’ before SAGE, or even just ‘iSAGE’ is a bit suspect isn’t it? Is it part of the name, like those ‘Democratic Republics’ that are always dictatorships?
Sarah Johnson
2 years ago
Thank you Amy for a good article, and well done for calling out the doom-mongers for what they are.
One objection though: you should not have taken the anti-Brexit shot at independent SAGE. Brexit and Covid are two different things. There are Leavers who are rabid Covid authoritarians and there are Remainers who are horrified at the government overreaction. Every Lib Dem MP voted against vaccine passports, for example. Those of us who want to end the Covid moral panic need all the allies we can get. Please don’t drive them away by taking cheap shots at your enemy from the last war.
Quite so. I get so bored reading the facile statements of some regular commentators who just ascribe every political position they don’t like either to “the left” or to “remainers” The world has moved on – even if political parties have yet to catch up.
Michael K
2 years ago
There is no argument to be made either way. Governments initially didn’t take COVID seriously at all, which was a mistake and resulted in needless deaths in hospitals and retirement homes. And then they took it way too seriously, taking away people’s freedom and locking the young generation inside, getting ready to forcefully inject them with some doubtful substance. This only led to our collective immune systems getting weaker, and we completely missed the chance for herd immunity. Meanwhile, because everybody has the same antibodies, the virus gets rewarded for mutating to evade the vaccines. And some dimwit somehow, somewhere, blames the unvaccinated, who are the literal antithesis to a vaccine-evading mutation, because they are not vaccinated and thus cannot instruct the virus how to evade a vaccine. Meanwhile, the virus lives and mutates in animals just as well, and immunodeficient people with chronic infections are a breeding ground for mutations to which any (unvaccinated) individual doesn’t even remotely come close. CLEARLY another case of “it sucks, but we’ll have to live with it”.
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The correct way to handle this whole crisis – and yes, there is a correct way – would have been to protect the vulnerable, and to support everybody else as good as possible. Vaccinate only those for whom it is absolutely necessary and those who are really scared of the virus. Leave everybody else alone, but in case of disease provide monitoring of lung function (pulse oximeter) and call every few days to assess their status, to allow for early treatment. Remind them to EAT, as COVID takes away your appetite. That would easily prevent 80% of ICU visits.
Interestingly, there is one country that mostly got it right – Sweden. They just failed to protect the elderly in the very first wave. I went there on vacation and could see a lot of people jogging in groups. To our politicians: an infection hazard, to any sane individual: an effective defense against disease.
Obviously, practically every other country got it catastrophically wrong.
Last edited 2 years ago by Michael K
Kathleen Stern
2 years ago
The end result of these ‘scientists’ squawking is the fact that now many people are hugely disinclined to ‘trust the science or indeed these scientists. They and the timid politicians banned all alternative scientific voices which is actually the opposite of how science is supposed to operate. Even worse the dodgy programmers and sinister fear manipulators were those favoured to try to terrify people into compliance. Never again!
Plenty of excellent immunologists virologists and the like banned from YouTube Twitter Facebook gor disagreeing with the official narrative. Divide and rule has worked… again!
Kieran Saxon
2 years ago
Another great article from Dr. Jones. Unherd has been an oasis of reason in the last 2 years and articles like this are a huge factor.
I used to read The Independent when it was a grown-up, quality, newspaper before it became click-bait nonsense, and Unherd reminds me of that a little, in that there is a wide range of views rather than an overt political agenda.
Thanks Unherd and Dr. Jones.
Chris Eaton
2 years ago
“But what cannot be overlooked is the cost; billions have been spent on both Test and Trace and the now-abandoned testing project Operation Moonshot.”
Sooner or later, it’s always about the money.
Terence Fitch
2 years ago
‘Doomerism’ or ‘freedom’? An oversimplified dichotomy typical of the ideological stance being used about a pandemic by ‘opinion writers’. There’s a clue in the term opinion? Generally the amount of arrogant hindsight around is breathtaking. Name me one large country that got this perfectly? Of course not. Like many I wanted to shout at the TV at times. Over caution…recklessness? The balance wasn’t right at times and Johnson and co made some big errors and got some things right. 5/10. Must do better. There was only one metric worth having- the nation’s ICU capacity before mass vaccination and whether a politician was prepared to say ‘sorry, we’re not prioritising Covid cases, other people are ill too and some people will not be admitted but die at home’. A kind of Putin or Trump approach- neither care about ordinary people do they? Like the multi millionaire 73 yr old Jonathan Sumption, prepared to die for freedom but has lived his life and no doubt could isolated agreeably somewhere. His magisterially brilliant 100 yrs war history shows- a friend of his said he has spent too much time thinking about the Black Death. People coped with the Black Death didn’t they? Actually governments in our past typically used widespread edicts and laws to try and stop infections. Never was some free choice over public health though cholera was stopped sometimes by removing pump handles. Well the water tasted ok didn’t it? We now have anti vaxxers absurdly attacking vaccinations that allow their train driver or builder or plumber etc to work by not being ill. As for others- how dare they use their free choice to continue wearing masks! Shocking I tell you. Shouldn’t be allowed! Personally I’m glad restrictions can be lifted. Of course.
‘People’ isn’t a stat. Like how many kids at my school had eye or ear defects due to measles in the 1960s. If I say ‘many’ or ‘some’ it usn’t a stat- though a distinct memory. Or if I say I know no one amongst 40-50 family and friends who’s had any reaction you can just say it’s not a fact even though that’s true. See?
Well said, and now perhaps that obese blob, the Prime Minister can, at last, start behaving like a Tory PM with a 79 seat majority.
‘We’ are tired of waiting……get on with it!
Even Simon Jenkins thinks it’s the right decision – but for the wrong reasons
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/21/boris-johnson-covid-restrictions-england?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
I’m afraid after his ‘Erskine Childers incident’ I have consigned Jenkins to the pit of eternal stench, along with Margaret MacMillan.
I clicked on the link and saw more unquestioning vaccine celebration.
Canada saw the declining need for mandates which control every aspect of your life as an existential crisis so turned violently on its own citizens. Once a government takes dictatorial powers, it never lets them go unless forced to. Look at AUS, NZ, UK, USA ( *Democrat state leaders did not have to restrain themselves as their voters expect no less, Liberal/Left being a cult of control), Germany, France, Belgium, Austria…….
Because most Politicians are:
“High-functioning sociopaths often test well on IQ tests and have superior intelligence. They are very charming, and their magnetic personality seem to naturally draw others to them. High-functioning sociopaths are typically very calculated and may show extreme patience when trying to lay the foundation necessary to work a situation for their own good.
High-functioning sociopaths usually hold jobs, are married, and have children. In fact, they can be extremely successful in life.”
These people are great at keeping the buses running, the schools paid for (unfortunate this trait is almost total in school heads), health services going… Although they skim off a great deal of the money to their corrupt friends – they keep things going. (almost all CEOs are sociopaths too)
BUT…. once you give them the raw power to control the people like pieces in some big game – they will never willingly let that power go.
Covid Response, Blank Slate, was the Gateway Drug to their Totalitarian madness – and now taking control back is going to a the biggest fight of the 2000s.
It also made them filthy rich – the Billionaires had their wealth grow by 68% in these Two years, and they used part of that to pay their sociopath politicos a reward – and they will not want to let that go…..
I eagerly await tomorrow the weekly covid announcement from our superiorly intelligent – and of undisputed loveliness – supreme leader Saint Nicola.
No doubt aided & abetted by her sub continent adviser, one Devi Sridhar.
By the way does anyone know what Caste Sridhar is? Such facts are so important these days don’t you think?
I suspect, if you scratch away at the ever shiny surface you will discover she has no caste at all, she is simply ‘untouchable’.
‘Ye miserable crawling worms, have you come again to hear your doom? Have you come to hear What’s coming to ye? Hear of the crimson licking flames of fire?’
A speech any of the Doom mongers of the Western Leaders could be giving their Nations – as they quiver in fear and terror:
(Stella Gibbons, read by Sir Ian McKellen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5evsxRdkJw
An estimated 3% of the population are psychopaths and of that I have seen it reported that a good 30% of people in corporate management structures are psychopaths.
These people are very similar to politicians as they have a high threshold for arousal – they enjoy the cut and thrust of the job, the jockeying for position, the lying, the game playing, the backstabbing, the very high stress.
it is fairly easy to identify them by using Hare’s 20 questions. Note that I did not carefully select the link – it was simply at the top of the Google search I did.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hare-psychopath-checklist-test-sociopath-2016-11?IR=T
“Once a government takes dictatorial powers, it never lets them go unless forced to. Look at AUS, NZ, UK, USA”
The UK let go of some dictatorial powers yesterday without being forced to.
I don’t think so. Not really. Vaccine mandates for health and care workers has dipped under the radar .. did I miss the u turn ? , the executive can still invoke emergency powers without much parliamentary scrutiny and it passes off as law via the 1984 public health act (yes I know Sumption challenges that somewhat and I’m right with him). They still reserve the right to avoid an adult conversation with their citizens placing their right to govern (aka know better) above any notion of personal responsibility in the face of unknowns or a fast changing situation. All in the name of “leadership to meet the moment” and to not let a crisis go to waste. And in doing so down the rabbit hole of applied behavioural psychology we all went …. Maybe time will salve some of that but I ain’t counting on it. Too many just “want to be saved by experts”. I don’t see the full row back and proper adult conversation even now.
…or rereading your post I agree and this is my take on it.
I wish I could dismiss this comment out of hand, unfortunately it has far too much of the ring of truth.
“Testing is important, and we must ensure that those who are elderly or vulnerable have access to tests in order to make clinical decisions, such as whether to begin antiviral therapy.”
Why is testing important? In the absence of proper early outpatient treatment, it is only a tool for propogating fear and public anxiety, for keeping tangible a virus so harmless you don’t know you have it until you ‘test positive’.
I have literally seen, time and time again, my left-leaning globalist friends ‘test positive’, go into a tizzy of fear and anxiety, self-isolate, and then admit it was little more than a sniffle.
Always putting ‘independent’ before SAGE, or even just ‘iSAGE’ is a bit suspect isn’t it? Is it part of the name, like those ‘Democratic Republics’ that are always dictatorships?
Thank you Amy for a good article, and well done for calling out the doom-mongers for what they are.
One objection though: you should not have taken the anti-Brexit shot at independent SAGE. Brexit and Covid are two different things. There are Leavers who are rabid Covid authoritarians and there are Remainers who are horrified at the government overreaction. Every Lib Dem MP voted against vaccine passports, for example. Those of us who want to end the Covid moral panic need all the allies we can get. Please don’t drive them away by taking cheap shots at your enemy from the last war.
Quite so. I get so bored reading the facile statements of some regular commentators who just ascribe every political position they don’t like either to “the left” or to “remainers” The world has moved on – even if political parties have yet to catch up.
There is no argument to be made either way. Governments initially didn’t take COVID seriously at all, which was a mistake and resulted in needless deaths in hospitals and retirement homes. And then they took it way too seriously, taking away people’s freedom and locking the young generation inside, getting ready to forcefully inject them with some doubtful substance. This only led to our collective immune systems getting weaker, and we completely missed the chance for herd immunity. Meanwhile, because everybody has the same antibodies, the virus gets rewarded for mutating to evade the vaccines. And some dimwit somehow, somewhere, blames the unvaccinated, who are the literal antithesis to a vaccine-evading mutation, because they are not vaccinated and thus cannot instruct the virus how to evade a vaccine. Meanwhile, the virus lives and mutates in animals just as well, and immunodeficient people with chronic infections are a breeding ground for mutations to which any (unvaccinated) individual doesn’t even remotely come close. CLEARLY another case of “it sucks, but we’ll have to live with it”.
~~~~
The correct way to handle this whole crisis – and yes, there is a correct way – would have been to protect the vulnerable, and to support everybody else as good as possible. Vaccinate only those for whom it is absolutely necessary and those who are really scared of the virus. Leave everybody else alone, but in case of disease provide monitoring of lung function (pulse oximeter) and call every few days to assess their status, to allow for early treatment. Remind them to EAT, as COVID takes away your appetite. That would easily prevent 80% of ICU visits.
Interestingly, there is one country that mostly got it right – Sweden. They just failed to protect the elderly in the very first wave. I went there on vacation and could see a lot of people jogging in groups. To our politicians: an infection hazard, to any sane individual: an effective defense against disease.
Obviously, practically every other country got it catastrophically wrong.
The end result of these ‘scientists’ squawking is the fact that now many people are hugely disinclined to ‘trust the science or indeed these scientists. They and the timid politicians banned all alternative scientific voices which is actually the opposite of how science is supposed to operate. Even worse the dodgy programmers and sinister fear manipulators were those favoured to try to terrify people into compliance. Never again!
Plenty of excellent immunologists virologists and the like banned from YouTube Twitter Facebook gor disagreeing with the official narrative. Divide and rule has worked… again!
Another great article from Dr. Jones. Unherd has been an oasis of reason in the last 2 years and articles like this are a huge factor.
I used to read The Independent when it was a grown-up, quality, newspaper before it became click-bait nonsense, and Unherd reminds me of that a little, in that there is a wide range of views rather than an overt political agenda.
Thanks Unherd and Dr. Jones.
“But what cannot be overlooked is the cost; billions have been spent on both Test and Trace and the now-abandoned testing project Operation Moonshot.”
Sooner or later, it’s always about the money.
‘Doomerism’ or ‘freedom’? An oversimplified dichotomy typical of the ideological stance being used about a pandemic by ‘opinion writers’. There’s a clue in the term opinion? Generally the amount of arrogant hindsight around is breathtaking. Name me one large country that got this perfectly? Of course not. Like many I wanted to shout at the TV at times. Over caution…recklessness? The balance wasn’t right at times and Johnson and co made some big errors and got some things right. 5/10. Must do better. There was only one metric worth having- the nation’s ICU capacity before mass vaccination and whether a politician was prepared to say ‘sorry, we’re not prioritising Covid cases, other people are ill too and some people will not be admitted but die at home’. A kind of Putin or Trump approach- neither care about ordinary people do they? Like the multi millionaire 73 yr old Jonathan Sumption, prepared to die for freedom but has lived his life and no doubt could isolated agreeably somewhere. His magisterially brilliant 100 yrs war history shows- a friend of his said he has spent too much time thinking about the Black Death. People coped with the Black Death didn’t they? Actually governments in our past typically used widespread edicts and laws to try and stop infections. Never was some free choice over public health though cholera was stopped sometimes by removing pump handles. Well the water tasted ok didn’t it? We now have anti vaxxers absurdly attacking vaccinations that allow their train driver or builder or plumber etc to work by not being ill. As for others- how dare they use their free choice to continue wearing masks! Shocking I tell you. Shouldn’t be allowed! Personally I’m glad restrictions can be lifted. Of course.
What vaccines are you taking about? The ones that make people miss work for days because of 80% systemic side effects?
‘People’ isn’t a stat. Like how many kids at my school had eye or ear defects due to measles in the 1960s. If I say ‘many’ or ‘some’ it usn’t a stat- though a distinct memory. Or if I say I know no one amongst 40-50 family and friends who’s had any reaction you can just say it’s not a fact even though that’s true. See?