All sensible and informed people know that the Welsh and Scottish administration perform abysmally when it comes to health and education. The problem is that there are very few informed and sensible people, largely because the media is so useless and/or biased.
And, of course, it suits these administrations to produce uneducated school and college leavers, year after year, because they will be incapable of informing themselves and therefore more likely to vote for appalling individuals such as Sturgeon and Drakeford.
Yes, see my post above. We are in a trap because the moment we cut back on Arts students there will be a huge overnight increase in the unemployment figures. Drakeford is indeed proud that we are producing more and more students but this only means that Tesco has one of the most highly-educated workforces in the world.
I sort of agree with what you say but again the condescending attitude to non-English nations is evident. It doesn’t help the narrative or the people for that matter. If the discussion is aimed at bringing the devolved nations together your tone will not help in the slightest – even if I do agree with you !
Andrea X
3 years ago
Obfuscation is the one thing the Scottish government is good at, and nobody seems to care. I don’t know whether it is feasible that comparable statistics are drawn up, but, if it is, it would be a damn good idea. Take education… What is going on there? Just as well there is a pandemic, so we can obfuscate even better.
Chris Wheatley
3 years ago
Everybody will be bored with my rants about the Welsh Assembly. Whenever there is a problem they complain that they aren’t getting enough money from Westminster but then they spend their money on the Welsh language, free tuition fees for students, subsidised exchange schemes for students, the staff at the Welsh Assembly, six independence surveys in 2020 alone. We’ll be OK now because they have lowered the voting age for the Welsh Assembly to 16, in order to massage the figures.
Do us a favour next time, just post a blank. We’ll recognise the name.
Nick Taylor
3 years ago
When the eventual look at how we handled the pandemic comes then we will find that devolved responsibility for health has been a major determinant in our failure. A virus does not respect borders or political structures – it is a force of nature. The four nation strategy has been a disaster and has confused people and response. For example, the behavioural psychology responses we need have been destroyed by this approach. I remember one day when Johnson announced the rule of six for meeting outside and set an age limit on child exclusions. Within an hour Sturgeon did the same but tweaked the age limit. It was a marginal difference that no science or public health strategy could back up it just enforced a confusing and unnecessary difference. It is pathetic and purely political opportunism. The challenges coming whether pandemics or climate change will never be met by a devolved and divided set of nations and we are heading for catastrophe.
One caveat. Which version do we choose? Maybe the issue of the pandemic will be relatively short-lived but the climate change ‘thing’ will go on for ever.
Moreover, she had had a meeting with Allister Jack at which the rule of six came up and she said nothing. If she had suggested omitting children, it could have been accommodated. But she didn’t want to be accommodated: she wanted to be at loggerheads with HMG and puffed by the media as coming out on top.
Chris Wheatley
3 years ago
In Wales most of the old telephone boxes contain defilibrators and are thereby removed from ambulance response time figures.
In Gwent on a Friday night the telephone boxes have better response times after about 2200.
Jack Walker
3 years ago
I wrote to Drakeford and Gethin last week criticising their vaccine rollout policy and the health service more widely. True to form they tried to blame the UK government for a devolved matter. I am surprised the Conservatives in Westminster and Wales are not far more vocal on the failures of the devolved governments. So many people in Wales fail to understand what powers are devolved and little is done to educate them. During the referendum the Welsh people voted to leave the EU, the Welsh Labour government refused to accept the public’s decision, but the Conservatives did nothing to bring this to the fore.
C-19 has shone a spotlight on how disjointed the UK has become, and it’s time to wind back some powers the devolved governments have been given. Health, education and environment would be a good place to start.
The Ministers do say a bit on this on the floor of the House. Maybe they think if they go in too hard they will be counterproductive, because of the treacherous broadcasters and journalists. But I am with you and think they should. There is nothing to lose now, so late in the day.
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
The fact is, when Sir John Redwood was administering Wales, the schools were brilliant and so were the hospitals. Teachers who moved to Wales couldn’t believe how well off they were after England. He saved money on the administration too and returned it to the Treasury, for which he was pilloried. Wales always looked lovely then, the Capital a real credit.
The BBC has long been anti unionist, staffed by a disproportionate number of Scottish, Irish, and Welsh Anglophobes, including English Anglophobes. Since Brexit it has become a whole lot worse throughout the media, with Remainiacs puffing the separatists as a way of punishing the Brexiteers by maliciously breaking up the Kingdom and then saying “We told you so.”
In Northern Ireland they are still doing very well, despite having to have Sinn Fein in the administration. Mrs Foster is the one Devocrat the media should be lauding, but we almost never see or hear her. She is a Brexiteer, you see, and so are all her party. And she is a Unionist.
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago
If this is so, the GDP estimates will also be undermined if the real output of the education sector and the health sector is not measured on the same basis in the different Home Nations. This may not be the most important problem, but it certainly is a problem that should be addressed by the ONS. Much more than most national statistical institutes, the ONS tried to measure the output of the public sector appropriately, without resorting to crude measures of inputs as a proxy. It would be a shame if its efforts were thwartted as Henry says they have been.
All sensible and informed people know that the Welsh and Scottish administration perform abysmally when it comes to health and education. The problem is that there are very few informed and sensible people, largely because the media is so useless and/or biased.
And, of course, it suits these administrations to produce uneducated school and college leavers, year after year, because they will be incapable of informing themselves and therefore more likely to vote for appalling individuals such as Sturgeon and Drakeford.
Yes, see my post above. We are in a trap because the moment we cut back on Arts students there will be a huge overnight increase in the unemployment figures. Drakeford is indeed proud that we are producing more and more students but this only means that Tesco has one of the most highly-educated workforces in the world.
And what’s wrong with that? Are you saying Tesco employees should be uneducated – is that a prerequisite?
I sort of agree with what you say but again the condescending attitude to non-English nations is evident. It doesn’t help the narrative or the people for that matter. If the discussion is aimed at bringing the devolved nations together your tone will not help in the slightest – even if I do agree with you !
Obfuscation is the one thing the Scottish government is good at, and nobody seems to care.
I don’t know whether it is feasible that comparable statistics are drawn up, but, if it is, it would be a damn good idea.
Take education… What is going on there? Just as well there is a pandemic, so we can obfuscate even better.
Everybody will be bored with my rants about the Welsh Assembly. Whenever there is a problem they complain that they aren’t getting enough money from Westminster but then they spend their money on the Welsh language, free tuition fees for students, subsidised exchange schemes for students, the staff at the Welsh Assembly, six independence surveys in 2020 alone. We’ll be OK now because they have lowered the voting age for the Welsh Assembly to 16, in order to massage the figures.
Yes I am – even though I sort of agree. Give it a rest especially the ‘language’
Rant on, Boyo.
Do us a favour next time, just post a blank. We’ll recognise the name.
When the eventual look at how we handled the pandemic comes then we will find that devolved responsibility for health has been a major determinant in our failure. A virus does not respect borders or political structures – it is a force of nature. The four nation strategy has been a disaster and has confused people and response. For example, the behavioural psychology responses we need have been destroyed by this approach. I remember one day when Johnson announced the rule of six for meeting outside and set an age limit on child exclusions. Within an hour Sturgeon did the same but tweaked the age limit. It was a marginal difference that no science or public health strategy could back up it just enforced a confusing and unnecessary difference. It is pathetic and purely political opportunism. The challenges coming whether pandemics or climate change will never be met by a devolved and divided set of nations and we are heading for catastrophe.
One caveat. Which version do we choose? Maybe the issue of the pandemic will be relatively short-lived but the climate change ‘thing’ will go on for ever.
Moreover, she had had a meeting with Allister Jack at which the rule of six came up and she said nothing. If she had suggested omitting children, it could have been accommodated. But she didn’t want to be accommodated: she wanted to be at loggerheads with HMG and puffed by the media as coming out on top.
In Wales most of the old telephone boxes contain defilibrators and are thereby removed from ambulance response time figures.
In Gwent on a Friday night the telephone boxes have
better response times after about 2200.
I wrote to Drakeford and Gethin last week criticising their vaccine rollout policy and the health service more widely. True to form they tried to blame the UK government for a devolved matter.
I am surprised the Conservatives in Westminster and Wales are not far more vocal on the failures of the devolved governments. So many people in Wales fail to understand what powers are devolved and little is done to educate them.
During the referendum the Welsh people voted to leave the EU, the Welsh Labour government refused to accept the public’s decision, but the Conservatives did nothing to bring this to the fore.
C-19 has shone a spotlight on how disjointed the UK has become, and it’s time to wind back some powers the devolved governments have been given. Health, education and environment would be a good place to start.
The Ministers do say a bit on this on the floor of the House. Maybe they think if they go in too hard they will be counterproductive, because of the treacherous broadcasters and journalists. But I am with you and think they should. There is nothing to lose now, so late in the day.
The fact is, when Sir John Redwood was administering Wales, the schools were brilliant and so were the hospitals. Teachers who moved to Wales couldn’t believe how well off they were after England. He saved money on the administration too and returned it to the Treasury, for which he was pilloried. Wales always looked lovely then, the Capital a real credit.
The BBC has long been anti unionist, staffed by a disproportionate number of Scottish, Irish, and Welsh Anglophobes, including English Anglophobes. Since Brexit it has become a whole lot worse throughout the media, with Remainiacs puffing the separatists as a way of punishing the Brexiteers by maliciously breaking up the Kingdom and then saying “We told you so.”
In Northern Ireland they are still doing very well, despite having to have Sinn Fein in the administration. Mrs Foster is the one Devocrat the media should be lauding, but we almost never see or hear her. She is a Brexiteer, you see, and so are all her party. And she is a Unionist.
If this is so, the GDP estimates will also be undermined if the real output of the education sector and the health sector is not measured on the same basis in the different Home Nations. This may not be the most important problem, but it certainly is a problem that should be addressed by the ONS. Much more than most national statistical institutes, the ONS tried to measure the output of the public sector appropriately, without resorting to crude measures of inputs as a proxy. It would be a shame if its efforts were thwartted as Henry says they have been.