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February 6, 2023 - 10:05am
As a Brit, sharing a language and a plethora of social media platforms with the United States sometimes feels like hearing a couple who have forgotten they’re miked up while having a vicious argument in public.
But the warring Red and Blue enjoyed a rare moment of unity, of sorts, over the weekend, as all converged with fascination on the “Chinese spy balloon”. This unmanned high-altitude balloon, which the Chinese claimed was for “mainly metereological” purposes, followed a route across North American airspace beginning in Alaska. It then passed over Canada and re-entered the United States in Idaho, before traversing sensitive military bases in Montana — at which point it was visible enough that ordinary people began to notice, and the shouting started in earnest.
For conservatives, the fact that the balloon wasn’t promptly shot down was merely the latest proof of (variously) American emasculation, Joe Biden’s complicity with the Chinese government, a manipulative government deploying distractions to ward off other scandals, or Pentagon decadence — to name but a few. The other side retaliated with claims that three such incidents occurred during the Trump administration, but no one said or did anything.
But beneath the bickering was, paradoxically, a clear sense of unity. Despite vigorous disagreement about the meaning or proportionality of the US government’s reaction to the balloon, which fell out along familiar lines, Americans on all sides appear to share essentially the same sense of outrage at its presence in US airspace.
There were plenty of photos of people brandishing weapons at the sky, and headlines warning US civilians not to shoot at the balloon (on the basis that the bullets wouldn’t hit it, and would just fall out the sky potentially hitting other Americans). But there were no headlines calling on the military not to shoot down a foreign nation’s surveillance balloon — which finally happened off the coast of South Carolina, seven days after the balloon first entered US airspace.
My takeaway from the whole spectacle, other than that everyone loves a ‘flying object’ story, is firstly that the world’s pre-eminent superpower is less disunited than sometimes appears. And secondly, that such American political polarisation as it exists may be less a product of decline than of America’s historical and geographical position as an empire in all but name — but one with no recent history of meaningful domestic military challenge from a rival nation.
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SubscribeMuch of the infiltration of western economies, company structures/ownership, universities, technologies and the malign use of social media by the CCP has gone largely unnoticed by the general population – as intended. As the Author highlights this Balloon is more tangible and more visibly invasive. It could and should help with the further urgent awakening needed.
Separate thought – at what point do we see and hear more Articles about this real threat than stuff on Woke, Trans et al? Do we have the proportionality of interest the wrong way round? We need more investigative journalism drawing back the veil on what has been happening I think.
Coincidentally a lot of woke/ trans stuff is being funded by China.
Did they tell you that on GB News?
Do they have to tell you the sun rises in the East on BBC so you know that?
Difference here is that the sun actually does rise in the east, although I’m sure the halfwits at GB News probably don’t know that.
On the other hand the comment by Jules is obviously complete and utter nonsense.
I don’t think so at all. In fact I think your argument is naive in the extreme.
I don’t think so at all. In fact I think your argument is naive in the extreme.
Difference here is that the sun actually does rise in the east, although I’m sure the halfwits at GB News probably don’t know that.
On the other hand the comment by Jules is obviously complete and utter nonsense.
f**k off Graeme.
You do know that Graeme McNeil is an anagram of Gaelic mermen
Do they have to tell you the sun rises in the East on BBC so you know that?
f**k off Graeme.
You do know that Graeme McNeil is an anagram of Gaelic mermen
Did they tell you that on GB News?
If you want a bit of info on balloon gate, I read this which was interesting:
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/02/03/amid-concerns-over-a-balloon-us-cancels-high-level-meeting-with-china/
The balloon was a sideshow, almost but not entirely, not worth a mention. Now write an insightful article about the REAL INVASION taking place on the US southern border. Millions of illegals from over 120 countries or more have crossed over while our senile President barely takes note.
Coincidentally a lot of woke/ trans stuff is being funded by China.
If you want a bit of info on balloon gate, I read this which was interesting:
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/02/03/amid-concerns-over-a-balloon-us-cancels-high-level-meeting-with-china/
The balloon was a sideshow, almost but not entirely, not worth a mention. Now write an insightful article about the REAL INVASION taking place on the US southern border. Millions of illegals from over 120 countries or more have crossed over while our senile President barely takes note.
Much of the infiltration of western economies, company structures/ownership, universities, technologies and the malign use of social media by the CCP has gone largely unnoticed by the general population – as intended. As the Author highlights this Balloon is more tangible and more visibly invasive. It could and should help with the further urgent awakening needed.
Separate thought – at what point do we see and hear more Articles about this real threat than stuff on Woke, Trans et al? Do we have the proportionality of interest the wrong way round? We need more investigative journalism drawing back the veil on what has been happening I think.
Pah! The US needs to up its game.
The British conquered Bhutan in 1864. I think we hold the record for the most “military involvement”. We even did the USA in 1812.
Yeah burning the White House down was a nice point to make that they like to forget about.
We haven’t forgotten. Our national anthem is all about the British attack on Ft. McHenry in Baltimore harbor
We haven’t forgotten. Our national anthem is all about the British attack on Ft. McHenry in Baltimore harbor
Yeah burning the White House down was a nice point to make that they like to forget about.
Pah! The US needs to up its game.
The British conquered Bhutan in 1864. I think we hold the record for the most “military involvement”. We even did the USA in 1812.
The balloon intrusion was botched. Instead of shooting it down, it should have been captured intact. Yes, at 60,000 feet that would be tough, but no attempt was made. And then, when it was shot down, why weren’t salvage vessels already stationed in the area like they used to be for space flights?
I find it astounding we do not have anti-balloon weapons. During the Civil War they were used for artillery sighting – WWII had Zeppelin and observation balloons – WWII had them ubiquitously, the Cold War played games with them.
Surely some thing like the cannon shot used to cut the rigging on sailing boats – balls connected by chains, fired to the sheets to drop the sails and stop the enemy maneuvering. Wires and balls – shot in a rocket from a F-16, rip as big and many holes as engineers say is ideal to get the thing to settle gently to earth so it can be captured intact.
If they have none of these I demand my royalties for the concept – as it is insane not to have a couple crates of them handy.
No this was a game run by a senile guy and his mad hyena sidekick that was meant to destroy the evidence – high explosives to wreck it, a 40,000 foot fall to smash it, – then into the sea to lose the good bits….
Awaiting for approval for the word Ba **s – -haha, madness. Reprinted here – but they rarely let me get away with this second chance….
I find it astounding we do not have anti-balloon weapons. During the Civil War they were used for artillery sighting – WWII had Zeppelin and observation balloons – WWII had them ubiquitously, the Cold War played games with them.
Surely some thing like the cannon shot used to cut the rigging on sailing boats – weights connected by chains, fired to the sheets to drop the sails and stop the enemy maneuvering. Wires and weights – shot in a rocket from a F-16, rip as big and many holes as engineers say is ideal to get the thing to settle gently to earth so it can be captured intact.
If they have none of these I demand my royalties for the concept – as it is insane not to have a couple crates of them handy.
No this was a game run by a senile guy and his mad hyena sidekick that was meant to destroy the evidence – high explosives to wreck it, a 40,000 foot fall to smash it, – then into the sea to lose the good bits….
With a SideWinder missile?!?&%$? At almost 400K per? Crikey!
I find it astounding we do not have anti-balloon weapons. During the Civil War they were used for artillery sighting – WWII had Zeppelin and observation balloons – WWII had them ubiquitously, the Cold War played games with them.
Surely some thing like the cannon shot used to cut the rigging on sailing boats – balls connected by chains, fired to the sheets to drop the sails and stop the enemy maneuvering. Wires and balls – shot in a rocket from a F-16, rip as big and many holes as engineers say is ideal to get the thing to settle gently to earth so it can be captured intact.
If they have none of these I demand my royalties for the concept – as it is insane not to have a couple crates of them handy.
No this was a game run by a senile guy and his mad hyena sidekick that was meant to destroy the evidence – high explosives to wreck it, a 40,000 foot fall to smash it, – then into the sea to lose the good bits….
Awaiting for approval for the word Ba **s – -haha, madness. Reprinted here – but they rarely let me get away with this second chance….
I find it astounding we do not have anti-balloon weapons. During the Civil War they were used for artillery sighting – WWII had Zeppelin and observation balloons – WWII had them ubiquitously, the Cold War played games with them.
Surely some thing like the cannon shot used to cut the rigging on sailing boats – weights connected by chains, fired to the sheets to drop the sails and stop the enemy maneuvering. Wires and weights – shot in a rocket from a F-16, rip as big and many holes as engineers say is ideal to get the thing to settle gently to earth so it can be captured intact.
If they have none of these I demand my royalties for the concept – as it is insane not to have a couple crates of them handy.
No this was a game run by a senile guy and his mad hyena sidekick that was meant to destroy the evidence – high explosives to wreck it, a 40,000 foot fall to smash it, – then into the sea to lose the good bits….
With a SideWinder missile?!?&%$? At almost 400K per? Crikey!
The balloon intrusion was botched. Instead of shooting it down, it should have been captured intact. Yes, at 60,000 feet that would be tough, but no attempt was made. And then, when it was shot down, why weren’t salvage vessels already stationed in the area like they used to be for space flights?
I think it’s true both that the US is in decline but that it remains a superpower for the time being. The culture wars are real. As the author suggests, they are, to an extent, the result of a materially successful, and somewhat self-satisfied, society that is insulated from many of the dangers facing less powerful, and geographically blessed, countries. But they are also degrading American society and have now reached into its productive industries and the science/engineering departments of its universities which are the basis of America’s wealth and preeminence.
An external enemy will doubtless unify the US for a while, but the time may come when the US will no longer have the wherewithal to resist a serious challenge.
I think it’s true both that the US is in decline but that it remains a superpower for the time being. The culture wars are real. As the author suggests, they are, to an extent, the result of a materially successful, and somewhat self-satisfied, society that is insulated from many of the dangers facing less powerful, and geographically blessed, countries. But they are also degrading American society and have now reached into its productive industries and the science/engineering departments of its universities which are the basis of America’s wealth and preeminence.
An external enemy will doubtless unify the US for a while, but the time may come when the US will no longer have the wherewithal to resist a serious challenge.
The bickering couple may not have forgotten they’re “miked up” but are simply being performative in the way that people overshare these days. Once the balloon goes up (as it were), they’ll probably go home and tear each other’s clothes off in a frenzied bout of copulation.
I suspect Mary’s right, because the alternative – divorce – hardly seems an option unless the US population, split between Blues and Reds, decided to migrate to their respective sides (east/west, or north/south) and secede from each other.
To extend this outside the US to the West in general, i also suspect that talk of terminal decline is as premature as the “end of history” sense which prevailed at the end of the Cold War. It’s worth considering whether that piece of seeming triumphalism may have led directly to the culture wars now being fought, as a means of preventing ourselves from becoming bored. Critical theory also plays a part of course, but how many Wokeists actually understand where their views are coming from? I suspect the majority just utilise it as the latest fashionable means of discourse; a way of creating their version of the generational divide.
The bickering couple may not have forgotten they’re “miked up” but are simply being performative in the way that people overshare these days. Once the balloon goes up (as it were), they’ll probably go home and tear each other’s clothes off in a frenzied bout of copulation.
I suspect Mary’s right, because the alternative – divorce – hardly seems an option unless the US population, split between Blues and Reds, decided to migrate to their respective sides (east/west, or north/south) and secede from each other.
To extend this outside the US to the West in general, i also suspect that talk of terminal decline is as premature as the “end of history” sense which prevailed at the end of the Cold War. It’s worth considering whether that piece of seeming triumphalism may have led directly to the culture wars now being fought, as a means of preventing ourselves from becoming bored. Critical theory also plays a part of course, but how many Wokeists actually understand where their views are coming from? I suspect the majority just utilise it as the latest fashionable means of discourse; a way of creating their version of the generational divide.
The episode reminded me of Spielberg’s ill-fated (but in parts funny) movie, ‘1941’, which lampoons America’s fear of Japanese invasion in the days immediately after Pearl Harbour. The Home Guard-style neighbourhood watch sitting with shotguns on a Ferris wheel in California, John Belushi refuelling his fighter plane at a gas station, Dan Ackroyd racing around in a tank… meanwhile poor old Christopher Lee’s stuck as a German liaison officer on a badly-run Japanese U-Boat. Actually, I might have to watch it again now.
The episode reminded me of Spielberg’s ill-fated (but in parts funny) movie, ‘1941’, which lampoons America’s fear of Japanese invasion in the days immediately after Pearl Harbour. The Home Guard-style neighbourhood watch sitting with shotguns on a Ferris wheel in California, John Belushi refuelling his fighter plane at a gas station, Dan Ackroyd racing around in a tank… meanwhile poor old Christopher Lee’s stuck as a German liaison officer on a badly-run Japanese U-Boat. Actually, I might have to watch it again now.
Mary, if you’re going to use a source that deems humanitarian and peacekeeping missions as “invasions,” a lot of people are going to call BS on that.
To say nothing of the fact that many of the nations listed were allies of or occupied by Germany and Japan during WW1 or WW2. Really??
Agreed, that claim is even noticeably discounted within the authors provided link. It’s worth looking through. Here’s a 1 line example:
1998 Guinea-Bissau – protection – Evacuated Americans and allies
Rather surprised and disappointed that Ms. Harrington would stoop to such a cheap trick. Pravda would be proud.
Agreed, that claim is even noticeably discounted within the authors provided link. It’s worth looking through. Here’s a 1 line example:
1998 Guinea-Bissau – protection – Evacuated Americans and allies
Rather surprised and disappointed that Ms. Harrington would stoop to such a cheap trick. Pravda would be proud.
Mary, if you’re going to use a source that deems humanitarian and peacekeeping missions as “invasions,” a lot of people are going to call BS on that.
To say nothing of the fact that many of the nations listed were allies of or occupied by Germany and Japan during WW1 or WW2. Really??
This is most obviously a coverup of some kind. My guess is that XI had some equivalent of the Laptop From Hell dangling from the balloon – and China was watching Biden squirm as he was given no good choices… Shoot it down and then be exposed – let it go and be exposed, and so the answer, shoot it down with high explosives over ocean and hope for the best….
haha… Biden is so compromised – totally owned by China, Ukraine, Hunter, and who knows who else..My guess Bankman-Fried has a slim chance of surviving his first few weeks of ‘Suicide watch’ after sentencing – he apparently was Biden/Zalenski/Ukrain/Mexican Cartels bag man…. That is the problem of having a crime family in the top political position – too many people know where the skeletons are hidden…
That is an incredible amount of utter gibberish to pack into a single comment – well done!
That is an incredible amount of utter gibberish to pack into a single comment – well done!
This is most obviously a coverup of some kind. My guess is that XI had some equivalent of the Laptop From Hell dangling from the balloon – and China was watching Biden squirm as he was given no good choices… Shoot it down and then be exposed – let it go and be exposed, and so the answer, shoot it down with high explosives over ocean and hope for the best….
haha… Biden is so compromised – totally owned by China, Ukraine, Hunter, and who knows who else..My guess Bankman-Fried has a slim chance of surviving his first few weeks of ‘Suicide watch’ after sentencing – he apparently was Biden/Zalenski/Ukrain/Mexican Cartels bag man…. That is the problem of having a crime family in the top political position – too many people know where the skeletons are hidden…