I don’t begrudge the Italians their win, they were the better team on the night, end of. And they’ve had a torrid time with Covid, as we have, and no doubt needed something to celebrate. In my local pub the fans were loud and proud and then magnanimous in defeat. No trouble at all. I imagine this was replicated across the country in the majority of cases. What strikes me though is the very crude politicisation in the media today and the way England and England fans are being demonised, as if we deserve punishment and abuse over the actions of a few. Italian fans have been badly behaved too, as have many others – but there is silence about that. Apparently only England has football hooligans, which I know for a fact is far from the truth. There seems to be this desire to showcase the worst and make that the headline, to make us hate ourselves and be looked down on by countries who have nothing to crow about. Twitter is not representative of England or English football fans and neither are those trying to force their way in. But then again, after years of being called stupid, thick, racist, gammon, a year of being cooped up inside, losing their livelihoods, being told they should be ashamed of their skin colour, their country, their history – is it any wonder some will take out their resentment this way? Gareth Southgate got torrents of abuse too when he missed that penalty years ago, why is racist abuse considered so much worse than other abuse? It’s still abuse by the same few morons who are always morons. I imagine the psychological effects on Southgate and others in that position was no less damaging and it’s no less wrong to take frustration out on them. But the vast majority will have watched those young players and wanted to hug them not hate them. Why do the haters always get the oxygen of attention?? Basically, if you treat people like animals then some will start to act like animals and I don’t like the way the media continually shows such glee in its lurid headlines ignoring the fact that 99% of English fans were perfectly well behaved despite the crushing loss and a year of soul sucking hell. The European media seem to be seeing this as bringing us down a peg or two because of Brexit but the fact is most of the rancour is whipped up by the media themselves not the public at large. But again, it’s ok apparently to be xenophobic towards the English yet the English are always painted as uniquely xenophobic. If anyone thinks racism does not exist in Italy think again. And how do we know all that racist abuse comes exclusively from English football fans and not those from elsewhere, or who want to stir up trouble?? I hate bad behaviour, racists, bullies and litterers, I have no time for them but this demonisation of the English, and particularly the English working class, needs to stop.
Good comment Cheryl. I’ve been similarly annoyed by the European press that are oh-so-eager to paint this loss as a kind of serves-you-right-for Brexit-and-Boris…as if one has anything to do with the other. To then say that the English are sore losers…well, one can only marvel at the irony.
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Terry Needham
2 years ago
“Only the Azzurris can transcend the nation’s bitter divisions”
Sobriety returns soon enough and then you can get back to contemplating your divisions. It would have been the same here
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Terry Needham
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Mark Gourley
2 years ago
Bravi Azzuri. You were, I must concede, the better team. And it is true that there are only a few occasions when you can see the Tricolore flying all across Italy! And I must apologise for the low-lifers who booed your splendid national anthem (so much more rousing than ours.)
I don’t begrudge the Italians their win, they were the better team on the night, end of. And they’ve had a torrid time with Covid, as we have, and no doubt needed something to celebrate. In my local pub the fans were loud and proud and then magnanimous in defeat. No trouble at all. I imagine this was replicated across the country in the majority of cases. What strikes me though is the very crude politicisation in the media today and the way England and England fans are being demonised, as if we deserve punishment and abuse over the actions of a few. Italian fans have been badly behaved too, as have many others – but there is silence about that. Apparently only England has football hooligans, which I know for a fact is far from the truth. There seems to be this desire to showcase the worst and make that the headline, to make us hate ourselves and be looked down on by countries who have nothing to crow about. Twitter is not representative of England or English football fans and neither are those trying to force their way in. But then again, after years of being called stupid, thick, racist, gammon, a year of being cooped up inside, losing their livelihoods, being told they should be ashamed of their skin colour, their country, their history – is it any wonder some will take out their resentment this way? Gareth Southgate got torrents of abuse too when he missed that penalty years ago, why is racist abuse considered so much worse than other abuse? It’s still abuse by the same few morons who are always morons. I imagine the psychological effects on Southgate and others in that position was no less damaging and it’s no less wrong to take frustration out on them. But the vast majority will have watched those young players and wanted to hug them not hate them. Why do the haters always get the oxygen of attention?? Basically, if you treat people like animals then some will start to act like animals and I don’t like the way the media continually shows such glee in its lurid headlines ignoring the fact that 99% of English fans were perfectly well behaved despite the crushing loss and a year of soul sucking hell. The European media seem to be seeing this as bringing us down a peg or two because of Brexit but the fact is most of the rancour is whipped up by the media themselves not the public at large. But again, it’s ok apparently to be xenophobic towards the English yet the English are always painted as uniquely xenophobic. If anyone thinks racism does not exist in Italy think again. And how do we know all that racist abuse comes exclusively from English football fans and not those from elsewhere, or who want to stir up trouble?? I hate bad behaviour, racists, bullies and litterers, I have no time for them but this demonisation of the English, and particularly the English working class, needs to stop.
Good comment Cheryl. I’ve been similarly annoyed by the European press that are oh-so-eager to paint this loss as a kind of serves-you-right-for Brexit-and-Boris…as if one has anything to do with the other. To then say that the English are sore losers…well, one can only marvel at the irony.
“Only the Azzurris can transcend the nation’s bitter divisions”
Sobriety returns soon enough and then you can get back to contemplating your divisions. It would have been the same here
e.
Bravi Azzuri. You were, I must concede, the better team. And it is true that there are only a few occasions when you can see the Tricolore flying all across Italy! And I must apologise for the low-lifers who booed your splendid national anthem (so much more rousing than ours.)